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[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength

Blarg I don't know this works I guess.
 
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
 
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
Specific reports like these have always been trash. They give us a tiny paragraph of information and basically go "and this is what you already know". Just get the full Klingon Diplomatic Posture report if you want this information. And are we ignoring the "what we have information on" requirement again? Because we aren't going to find better information on Dylaarian Diplomatic Posture from having zero contact with any Dylaarians in the past five years. Argh. These reports are an utter waste of time.
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We have probably recently gained a lot informants within the Sydraxians, we are constantly spying on Cardassian stuff and we have decent contacts with the Dawiar. Shouldnt that be enough to build a picture about how the Dylaarians are behaving?
I mean, the Ashala pact wont have a flow of information as free as the Federations, but if Cardassia was literally silent towards their allies the Dawiar would have sent that affiliation application quite a while ago.

We maybe should have worded the vote "Dylaarian-Cardassian relation" or something though.
 
Muer'ci said:
Even now, I don't really like Linderley, but I like him. Does that make sense?
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You think he's a jerk, but an amusing and useful one?

[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)
[X][CARD] Cardassian Fleet Strength Report
[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement
[X][REPORT] Romulan Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Update on the Hishmeri Situation
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
 
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[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
So I've just caught up properly and serious wtf to the reports we're requesting.
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Sure a lot of the requests are garbage, but so what? We have more reports than we can usefully use right now.

Specific reports like these have always been trash. They give us a tiny paragraph of information and basically go "and this is what you already know". Just get the full Klingon Diplomatic Posture report if you want this information.
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Is that going to tell me where the Gorns at? Because I want to know where the Gorns at. I don't want to know how the Klingons feel about the Federation.... I feel like I already know that well enough.

[] [REPORT] Where the Gorn at?!

e: And we barely up-to-date information on the size of the Yrillian fleet so what on earth is their shipbuilding report going to tell us? Only minor powers will hire Yrillian shipbuilding anyway, so that will be, who, the Sydraxians and Gretarians?
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I don't know who, but it would be interesting (to me) to find out what non-Yrillians are using their yards. Only minor powers will.... maybe. Though I wouldn't put it past the Romulans to be pulling a fast one and using this trick to hide some of their wartime cargo ship/freighter builds. Or who knows? We've never yet heard of a new race through anything but an Event roll, but I live in hope.

Let's please update our 6-year-old Klingon Fleet Strength so we know what is happening rather than being those guys who don't know anything.
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Eh, I'm fine if you're interested, but don't pretend it's particularly useful right now. If you want to get a Klingon Fleet Strength report because you're curious and you think it's cool then I can't really argue with that. But we would not be "those guys who don't know anything" if we didn't get it.
 
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
 
CeBrudras said:
Dont the Klingons have really chaotic ship building? This massive war probably only worsens that. We cant really extrapolate from the losses if we dont know much about their replacement rate.

During this war we should probably just try to guess the Klingon strength from their attitude in the war reports instead.
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If we can count the Klingon ships regularly enough, every few years, we can make some good estimates of their shipbuilding capabilities. If we never get a count, then knowing how many of their ships got blown up is meaningless. So Wen'lai manages to fry a dozen Klingon attack craft; is that the equivalent of one year's production for them, or three months' production? We need that information for context to gauge how the war is going. And if we can't get accurate information on Klingon shipbuilding directly, we'll have to figure it out from looking at how many ships they actually have in active service at a time.

Deathbybunnies said:
I think the Dylaarian's fleet strength is more important to know than the Konan's even if we're unsure of their diplomatic posture right now.
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The Konen are a lot more likely to attack us, in my opinion. Remember, when the Cardies started this conflict they had the Sydraxians as attack dogs and were relying on the Dylaarians to assist with the buildup- and occasionally to defend their own bases while they sortied their fleet. We've pretty comprehensively muzzled and tamed their attack dog, so now they need a new one. Moreover, the Konen aren't a 'normal' affiliate; they're a conquered vassal state. The Cardassians are not going to want to let the Konen gain much strength from this conflict. Which means they're going to expect the Konen to pay in blood (and exploderized ships) for any colonies they are permitted to retain.

I would argue that knowing the power of the Konen squadron in the Gabriel Expanse is if anything of more urgent importance than knowing the Cardassian strength in the Expanse. By contrast, the Dylaarian strength matters only insofar as we are likely to clash with them, which we aren't.

Briefvoice said:
Sure a lot of the requests are garbage, but so what? We have more reports than we can usefully use right now.

Is that going to tell me where the Gorns at? Because I want to know where the Gorns at. I don't want to know how the Klingons feel about the Federation.... I feel like I already know that well enough.
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Well, we want to know what the Klingons are doing on their other borders. That may include finding out where the Gorn at. Or the Tholians. Or both, even! :)

I don't know who, but it would be interesting (to me) to find out what non-Yrillians are using their yards. Only minor powers will.... maybe. Though I wouldn't put it past the Romulans to be pulling a fast one and using this trick to hide some of their wartime cargo ship/freighter builds. Or who knows? We've never yet heard of a new race through anything but an Event roll, but I live in hope.
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I agree. Or we might find out about a secret Syndicate revenge fleet being built in hiding by scattered remnants, or something.

Eh, I'm fine if you're interested, but don't pretend it's particularly useful right now. If you want to get a Klingon Fleet Strength report because you're curious and you think it's cool then I can't really argue with that. But we would not be "those guys who don't know anything" if we didn't get it.
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Knowing roughly how big the Klingon navy is... is kind of important, because we have to be able to gauge the balance of power between the Romulans and the Klingons. Thanks to our ROM reports we have pretty good context for one side of that question, but not the others.

The CARD and ROM reports together have kept us up to a certain minimum level of knowledge on those two powers, but we really have (so far) no option but writeins to keep up with the third (and fourth, and fifth).

chriswriter90 said:
Am I the only one who feels that 'Harmony of Horizon' sounds like the name of a cult?
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In a word... no.
 
Briefvoice said:
Sure a lot of the requests are garbage, but so what? We have more reports than we can usefully use right now.

Is that going to tell me where the Gorns at? Because I want to know where the Gorns at. I don't want to know how the Klingons feel about the Federation.... I feel like I already know that well enough.
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This is the kind of information we shouldn't waste reports on, because we need those reports and we certainly don't have more than we can use, we have far less. If nothing else, there are three full important major power ship designs we don't have reports on. I couldn't care a single bit where the Gorn are.

Briefvoice said:
Eh, I'm fine if you're interested, but don't pretend it's particularly useful right now. If you want to get a Klingon Fleet Strength report because you're curious and you think it's cool then I can't really argue with that. But we would not be "those guys who don't know anything" if we didn't get it.
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The war reports are only useful so long as we have something to base them against. What does it mean if they lose 6 new-model BoP if we don't know how many BoPmk2 they have? What does it mean they committed their reserves if we don't really know how much they have in reserve? The garrison in the various border zones doesn't have a deep meaning without knowing the degree of commitment. Neither does knowing their production. It's not mere curiosity, it informs decisions all the way from deployment to shipbuilding to individual captain reactions. It is crucial.
 
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report (Gain +5% combat vs Cardassian fleets for the next 12 months)

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Harmony 'Fleet tender'
[X][REPORT] Klingon New Battleship Early Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength

I dunno if we can get a report on the 'fleet tender' based on the scans our ship was able to do, but it'd be a start?
 
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NOTE: "As of this writing" does not include @anon_user 's vote immediately above, and I'm not going back to revise for it. I'm not sure her vote changes the analysis, though.

Now, we have overwhelming frontrunners for the CARD and ROM votes.

As of this writing, the leaders for the REPORT votes are:
(32 votes) Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
(26 votes) Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
(26 votes) GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
(17 votes) Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
(14 votes) Interstellar Commonwealth Diplomatic Posture Report
(11 votes) Klingon Fleet Strength Report

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Some runners-up...

(9 votes) Klingon Diplomatic Posture
(7 votes) Klingon Diplomatic Posture on their Rimward Border
(7 votes) Yrillian Shipyard Activity
(7 votes) Arcadian Empire (that is, Licori) Diplomatic Posture Report
(7 votes) Update on the Hishmeri Situation
(4 votes) Klingon Diplomatic Posture Report

There are a wealth of other options that attracted three or four votes each; the only one I consider to be of any note is that "Dylaarian Federation Diplomatic Posture Report" and "Dylaarian Diplomatic Posture Report" attracted a total of six votes, mine included.

For reference, my own REPORT votes were

[][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
[][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture on their Rimward Border
[][REPORT] Dylaarian Diplomatic Posture Report

Now, if the votes for "Klingon Diplomatic Posture" and "Klingon Diplomatic Posture Report" are merged they come to a total of 13, enough to edge out "Klingon Fleet Strength Report" even before we count the seven votes (mine included) for "Rimward Border" reports. In the interests of consolidation I'm going to reword my 'Klingon diplomacy' vote choice accordingly, bringing us to 14, tying the ISC diplomatic posture vote. If the other "Rimward Border" reports are factored in, either way "Klingon diplomacy' in general has 20 votes and climbs well up the chart.

So the question is then, in effect:

Is knowing ISC diplomatic posture more, or less, important than knowing Klingon fleet strength? Those are the two other options vying for sixth place, for now at least.

I would argue that since ISC diplomatic posture seems both sensible and simple, the size of the Klingon fleet is a more pressing concern this year. I will seek out a diplomatic posture report on the ISC in the near future, though, because I want to learn more about them and see them develop into the game.

(Likewise with the Harmony; but I want their posture NOW because they're the ones who are making demands of our ships and attacking when we don't comply. Understanding who they are and what they want is imperative to avoiding a very unwanted war with them).

So I'm changing my request for Dylaarian diplomatic posture, not because I deem it irrelevant, but because it has minimal support this year in particular, and we have a lot of unknown X-factors to fill in.

[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength
[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Diplomatic Posture
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength

[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The war reports are only useful so long as we have something to base them against. What does it mean if they lose 6 new-model BoP if we don't know how many BoPmk2 they have? What does it mean they committed their reserves if we don't really know how much they have in reserve? The garrison in the various border zones doesn't have a deep meaning without knowing the degree of commitment. Neither does knowing their production. It's not mere curiosity, it informs decisions all the way from deployment to shipbuilding to individual captain reactions. It is crucial.
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I can't think of how it should inform deployment* or shipbuilding, and at best it provides some narrative flavor to individual captain reactions.

(I am genuinely trying to do a top-down analysis of what are capabilities and goals actually should be there, results pending, and I can tell you Klingon fleet strength is at best the most minuscule of factors.)

But I suppose my philosophy is clear. I generally encourage people to pick intelligence reports for your perception coolness rather than the illusion they're particularly accomplishing anything. Yeah once in a while there probably are specific things worth investigating, but for 3 out of 4 reports it's about as important as the "name an Excelsior" vote.
 
[X][CARD] Cardassian Shipbuilding Report
[X][CARD] Cardassian Tactics Report

[X][ROM] Romulan Ship Analysis Report - Bird-of-Prey-Replacement

[X][REPORT] Ship Analysis Report: Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II
[X][REPORT] Klingon Fleet Strength Report
[x][REPORT] Klingon New Battleship Early Report
[X][REPORT] Horizon Harmony Diplomatic Posture Report
[X][REPORT] Cardassian Logistics and Deployment requirements
[X][REPORT] GBZ: Konen Fleet Strength

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
This is the kind of information we shouldn't waste reports on, because we need those reports and we certainly don't have more than we can use, we have far less. If nothing else, there are three full important major power ship designs we don't have reports on. I couldn't care a single bit where the Gorn are.
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Briefvoice said:
I can't think of how it should inform deployment* or shipbuilding, and at best it provides some narrative flavor to individual captain reactions.

(I am genuinely trying to do a top-down analysis of what are capabilities and goals actually should be there, results pending, and I can tell you Klingon fleet strength is at best the most minuscule of factors.)

But I suppose my philosophy is clear. I generally encourage people to pick intelligence reports for your perception coolness rather than the illusion they're particularly accomplishing anything. Yeah once in a while there probably are specific things worth investigating, but for 3 out of 4 reports it's about as important as the "name an Excelsior" vote.
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I take the complete opposite perspective: reports are a way to both become informed on matters of great import and a way to improve the IC resources of our command structure from the Captain-level upwards. So much that I find your dismissal of them extremely grating - they're one of the most important votes we make and the information we decide to direct Intel towards is used by every part of our fleet and even other Federation organs.

If you think of intel reports as a throwaway, then just don't vote.
 
Admittedly I would rather like that Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II report... it's hard to write omakes involving them without knowing their capabilities!
 
Briefvoice said:
Admittedly I would rather like that Klingon Bird-of-Prey Mark II report... it's hard to write omakes involving them without knowing their capabilities!
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That I can 110% agree with. It's been ten years since the thing was first mentioned in Intel!

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Unreported Ship Designs by First Mention
10y Klingon Bird of Prey mk2 (2307.Q4)
3y Klingon Tar'chak Battleship (2314.Q4)
2y Romulan Replacement Bird of Prey (2315.Q4)
2y Klingon K'Tinga-Replacement Cruiser (2315.Q4)
2y All Interstellar Commonwealth Ships (2315.Q4)
1y Harmony of Horizon Mothership and Parasite Craft (2317.Q1)
1y All other Harmony of Horizon ships (2316.Q4)
?y All Yrillian Ships (?)
?y All Konen Ships (?)
?y All Goshawnar Ships (?)
?y All Dawiar Ships (?)
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Honestly, why are we voting for an ISC diplomatic posture report? It has minimal utility, and Oneiros even said so!

OneirosTheWriter said:
Diplomatic is more viable - but fwiw it would pay to remember that as of a couple years ago they didn't even have a diplomatic posture to report on. So it would be a pretty skinny report.
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... Time to finish writing up that ISC diplomatic analysis that I've been working on.

Iron Wolf said:
[] [REPORT] Gorn Fashion Trends
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Formal, with an emphasis on cloaks.
 
I bring hilarious quotes from Tumblr, which may put our party-based first contact into context.

vulcandroid Deactivated
i will never be over the fact that during first contact a human offered their hand to a vulcan and the vulcan was just like "wow humans are fucking wild" and took it

roachpatrol
Humanity's first contact with Vulcans was some guy going "I'm down to fuck."

Vulcans' first contact with Humans was an emphatic "Sure."

lilian-cho
@sineala

star-lord
#iiiiiiiiiiiiii mean vulcans had been watching humans for a long time#they knew the significance of a handshake but still#they had to find some fast and loose ambassador#willing to fuckin make out with a human for the sake of not offending them on first contact#lmao#star trek

give me the story of this fast and loose vulcan
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Give Us The Story of the Fast and Loose Vulcan.
 
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