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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]

[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

[X][RIGEL] Decline

We have the RP to do the project and boosting SR income of our members will help with expansion. Riala make it a warship. No changes right now on priorities as the members are reassessing right now
 
OneirosTheWriter said:
A number of the Tailwards powers are comparing notes to find where they are running into bottlenecks on exotic materials. One of the key elements, used as a key component in EPS conduits, may be artificially synthesizable component. If Starfleet can spare research time, they may be able to improve their position on special resources.
(Per Year Increases - UESPA +10sr, TSF +10sr, VHC +5sr, BDF +5sr, Gaeni +5sr)
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Does this mean resources the member worlds get, or is this their contribution share to Starfleet's budget that gets increased?
 
[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term

[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
The science-heavy Riala-A is basically a garrison explorer. It's tankier than an Excelsior-A and SLIGHTLY better at response (+1D). But that's not something we need from member fleets, and it's not really something we need for starfleet ATM.

The combat heavy Riala-A is a plain old battleship. Response capabilities are resoundingly meh for a current generation capital ship, but in a fight there's not a single stock ship that can reliably beat it 1v1, Ambys, Basilica of Lekhept and Sign of Rethelia included. Ideally they'd deploy with an Amby/Kepler for science support, but they're AMAZING as capital warships even without that - science five is not shabby for anyone but starfleet.

Edit: Actually looking at the statline the Riala-A BB is at an advantage over the Sign of Rethelia. +1C and +1S don't cancel out +2H +2L and +2D.
 
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[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior

[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
Chronic said:
The Gaeni have a surprisingly low SR income and a huge BR income...

Let me guess, they use up all the SR for MAD!SCIENCE! and have none left for the fleet?
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The figures listed are for stockpile, not for income. Their income is probably around even (their yearly contributions are 35BR 35SR), but their ships all cost a lot of SR, the smaller ones more SR than BR. If we can get them to build Starfleet designs with high science but lower SR cost (the only one potentially interesting right now probably is the Constellation-A, but the Ambassador and Kepler will be really attractive to them) they should be able to spend down their current BR surplus and might even end up with an SR surplus long term.
 
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[X][UES] Build new Miranda-A
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
[X][UES] Build new Miranda-A
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
Why is everyone voting for one-off extra logistics budget for the freighter without having much of an idea what the logistics budget situation is actually like? We don't yet know how fast it regenerates (it's probably fast enough already to resolve the issue before 2322) and we don't know how hard it would be to raise it permanently. There is no urgency, if we decide that it's a useful thing we will probably be able to spend pp on extra logistic ships every MWCO.
 
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[][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
edit: going with briefvoice here. However, I'm tempted to encourage more investment in the GBZ from Earth, as a core territory that is otherwise unoccupied with other concerns.

Earth has a crew deficit. They should get that refit in, and then rebuild.
[][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior

[][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
OneirosTheWriter said:
Riala-class battlecruiser
C6 S4 H5 L7 P5 D6
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@OneirosTheWriter would Starfleet gain a SR/yr increase from the research? Either way, it is still amazing, and I'm tempted to take it. Certainly our member worlds could use it. That 40rp is a pain, though. Edit: Nix says yes.
[][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)

5pp is a pittance. If that berth is going unused let's make use of it.
[][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
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[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
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What's wrong with Vulcans? Where did their everything go?

[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
 
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)
 
Nix said:
Why is everyone voting for one-off extra logistics budget for the freighter without having much of an idea what the logistics budget situation is actually like? We don't yet know how fast it regenerates (it's probably fast enough already to resolve the issue before 2322) and we don't know how hard it would be to raise permanently. There is no urgency, if we decide that it's a useful thing we will probably be able to spend pp on extra logistic ships every MWCO.
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Yes, there is no urgency, but there is an open berth that obviously is not slated for use for a while. Sure we probably don't need the freighter immediately to make our requirements, but having it sooner, rather than later is always going to be a benefit here.

That 5pp is a pittance. We regularly can't even spend that small of an amount during a snakepit.

I suppose I just don't see a reason not to and a couple mild reasons we should.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Change nothing [Weighted 1.5x]
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[][RIALA] Gain S2 H1 L1 P1 D1
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

Edit: Point.
Leila Hann said:
Hmm, this is a tough one. Should we have the proud warrior race who we've already told to build a strike fleet for us improve their battleships in that role, or should we turn a baffling 180 and tell them to turn their fleet into science ships?
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[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Build Freighter (5pp)

Earth just finished 3 Rennies so I believe refitting the Liberty should be their next priority.
 
Nix said:
Why is everyone voting for one-off extra logistics budget for the freighter without having much of an idea what the logistics budget situation is actually like? We don't yet know how fast it regenerates (it's probably fast enough already to resolve the issue before 2322) and we don't know how hard it would be to raise it permanently. There is no urgency, if we decide that it's a useful thing we will probably be able to spend pp on extra logistic ships every MWCO.
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It's not just for the budget, it's also for the berth space. We can't start another freighter next year even if the budget regenerates because there's no more open general berths to put them. So it makes sense to grab a member world berth when it's available, even if it requires asking for an 'advance' on the budget. (Lasieth Craft Yards will likely be tied up building Hospital ships.)

Also a bit of a political play, walking into the Snakepit showing we've "done everything possible" to take a little heat off. I'll pay 5pp just to make Starfleet seem like it's taking the logistics crunch seriously.
 
[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Decline

There is little point in using 5pp to get another freighter now. As of the last Tactical post our logistics deficit was:
OneirosTheWriter said:
Currently Federalising:
8 Freighters
10 Cargo Ships
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We also had, prior to the start of this year, the following logistics ships under construction:
Void Stalker said:
So here is one more number to factor in:
4 Cargo Ships under construction by Starfleet
5 Freighters under Construction by Starfleet
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and as of the last vote just started another:
OneirosTheWriter said:
[X][BUILD] 2317 2 Excelsior-As, 2 Excelsior refits, 2 Miranda-A refits, 2 Constellation-As, 2 Constellation Refits, 4 Renaissance, 2 cargo ships, 1 freighter, 1 super-freighter
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That leaves us with a hole of:
Cargo Ships = 10 - 4 - 2 = 4
Freighters = 8 - 5 - 1 - 2 (super-freighter) = 0​

So there would be minimal gains from building another freighter. Instead I think we're better off saving that 5pp to spend on something else logistics related. For example expanding the logistics command's budget, or expanding their auxiliary shipyard, or even just buying another cargo ship next Shipyard Ops since we only get 2 free but need 4.
 
UberJJK said:
So there would be minimal gains from building another freighter. Instead I think we're better off saving that 5pp to spend on something else logistics related. For example expanding the logistics command's budget, or expanding their auxiliary shipyard, or even just buying another cargo ship next Shipyard Ops since we only get 2 free but need 4.
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Backup is always a nice thing to have, but more importantly, what else would that 5pp buy? We don't have the berth space for a cargo ship that would even need that 5pp next SYO. And 5pp won't even cover a budget expansion or shipyard expansion. The 5pp we're paying goes towards berth usage and the budget concerns.
 
pbluekan said:
Backup is always a nice thing to have, but more importantly, what else would that 5pp buy? We don't have the berth space for a cargo ship that would even need that 5pp next SYO. And 5pp won't even cover a budget expansion or shipyard expansion. The 5pp we're paying goes towards berth usage and the budget concerns.
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It is not what costs 5pp but what we may fall short of by 5pp.
 
pbluekan said:
Yes, there is no urgency, but there is an open berth that obviously is not slated for use for a while. Sure we probably don't need the freighter immediately to make our requirements, but having it sooner, rather than later is always going to be a benefit here.

That 5pp is a pittance. We regularly can't even spend that small of an amount during a snakepit.

I suppose I just don't see a reason not to and a couple mild reasons we should.
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Briefvoice said:
It's not just for the budget, it's also for the berth space. We can't start another freighter next year even if the budget regenerates because there's no more open general berths to put them. So it makes sense to grab a member world berth when it's available, even if it requires asking for an 'advance' on the budget. (Lasieth Craft Yards will likely be tied up building Hospital ships.)

Also a bit of a political play, walking into the Snakepit showing we've "done everything possible" to take a little heat off. I'll pay 5pp just to make Starfleet seem like it's taking the logistics crunch seriously.
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The berth can't be both free for 3 years and unavailable next year, either it's displacing something else the Rigellians would find useful to build (which is a downside we should pay attention to, particularly if we find member construction valuable enough to spend 40rp on more SR for them), or it should be still available for a cargo ship next year. And arguably more cargo ships are more important anyway, we are further away from reaching balance there, and essentially everything raises the demand for them (including building more ships), while things that raise demand for freighters are a bit more restricted. Also if you look back at the last few years it's clear that an available member berth is not a particularly rare and valuable thing anyway, there were at least a couple in each of the last 3 years and it's this year that's a bit unusual in that there is only one.
 
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[X][PRIORITY] Apiata should improve Bulk Cargo shipping in long term
[X][UES] Refit the United Earth's Excelsior
[X][RIALA] Gain C2 S1 H1 L2
[X][SR] Invest (-40rp, 1 year project)
[X][RIGEL] Decline
 
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