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[X][COUNCIL] Plan Drop Kepler and Ferasa Shipyard for Indoria Starbase
To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)
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Thors_Alumni
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Just as long as we don't let the seamstress find out and blab to her non existent superiors in the Tal Shiar about our non existent spec ops forces.
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Do you recall if the determination on how mapping missions find colonies as opposed to just resources has been told to us? I only remember that mapping missions can lead to colonies, which is also supported by the mineral techs that increase the chance of mapping events. I think I remember people talking about it being a hard dc for colonies at which point I wonder if there are multiple pass levels for some events in which case that +1 Can be a big difference.
Forgothrax
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IIRC we have to pass a Hard DC roll to get a colony, at least for research colonies. +1S for a Hard DC is a substantial bonus.
Oneiros deliberately likes to keep some of the mechanical details hidden behind the curtain, both to keep us from being able to fully mechanically optimize our choices and so that he can revise mechanics whenever he likes.
A little off-topic, but one big thing that's not too mechanically relevant but that I find narratively compelling is the ability of Member World fleets to build Keplers. I think everyone (other than maybe the Apinae) is going to want to take a stab at this sweet, sweet ship, and for them the Mapping Sensors are basically irrelevant... they don't even roll that stuff. Keplers in all the member world fleets are going to be a big prestige boost for Starfleet.
Forgothrax
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Hmm, it looks like we do have to pass a Hard DC check, at least for research colonies... and those are arguably some of the most important ones we can get.
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Assuming a dc of 14 for finding a colony a +1 Is a 14% increase in success chance for the kepler. At dc 13 it would be a 11% increase, dc 15 is where we would see the biggest increase at 17%. Basically a +1 to a roll is a 3 to 17% increase depending on what the min roll to succeed is.
I don't think anyone is saying to never put survey sensors on the Kepler. It's just that if we start now, the prototype and maybe the first production wave won't have them. There will, however, be two years when we have S7 out there rolling to pass mapping missions vs S3 and S4.
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What the discussion in the SDB has boiled down to is that for a particular variant of how modules could work waiting two years would apparently allow for +1 D and survey sensors right away rather than after a refit. It might be possible to raise another stat instead of D, and different rules for modules could have a different outcome.
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan ALL THE THINGS and KEPLER
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No I think right now we just need word from the gm as to how a refit would work and how quickly which will be several hours at least until he is up and has time to check this thread.
I will note that we now have precedent for extremely minor refits taking less than a year. The Betazoid Patroller refits are only taking 1 quarter each. If that's doable for Kepler Survey sensors...
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Are we working on a Miranda-B refit?
2316:
Kepler without module is L3 D5, 100br / 80sr and 2.25y, 9kt for a refit.
Kepler with module is L4 D5, 100br / 85sr and 2.5y, 36kt room for a refit.
2318 (all with module):
L4, D5, 100br / 80sr, 2.5y, 30kt room for survey sensors at likely 80sr, additional room for future refit in the long-term.
L4, D6, 105br / 80sr, 2.5y, 25kt room for survey sensors at likely 85sr.* This design also requires a tactical vote update to Med tactical subframe.
Designs in-between exist but that's the design space more or less.
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Forgothrax
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The problem is not getting the refit done, it's that we don't control the political space to allow for refits. They're up to the NPCs/Oneiros. If it really was as simple as "do refit work during the prototype build time and build all future as Block 2 Survey Sensor Ships" then this is an easy answer. If we don't get the refit option for 10-15+ years like other ships, that's a problem.
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How much tonnage would cramming the survey sensors in later take up?
We don't know. Oneiros says he'll answer once the research is done.
e: It can't really be more than 20kt, as 20kt of heavy sensors would give us +0.5S
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[facepalms]
I will note that a real navy would probably be able to figure out in advance whether or not they're going to be able to leave space in the ship to retrofit the sensors that are rapidly approaching completion into the Block Two design...
[EDIT: Just to clarify this is OBVIOUSLY not your fault, SWB]
I will note that a real navy would probably be able to figure out in advance whether or not they're going to be able to leave space in the ship to retrofit the sensors that are rapidly approaching completion into the Block Two design...
[EDIT: Just to clarify this is OBVIOUSLY not your fault, SWB]
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan ALL THE THINGS and KEPLER
While I'm not a fan of the industrial park (I'd rather just add more docks for better pp/dock ratio), the extra abilities apparently sold it for most folks. And, everything else on the list is great! So, yeah, I'll vote for it.
While I'm not a fan of the industrial park (I'd rather just add more docks for better pp/dock ratio), the extra abilities apparently sold it for most folks. And, everything else on the list is great! So, yeah, I'll vote for it.
Theunderbolt
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan ALL THE THINGS and KEPLER
I have faith in SWB's technobabble.
I have faith in SWB's technobabble.
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I mean, I thought it might be that we'd need to purchase it again if we wanted to use it again. A 'consumable' if you will.
To those wondering about the Kepler design: I was actually working on a study for it, and accidentally ended up halfway to a Caitian Fathership:
(BTW, I like the idea of the Kepler starting the transition to elliptical saucers. This one is widened like the Galaxy)
Here's another thing if anyone really really wants to drag this out over another vote: we don't have to start the Kepler research project immediately even if we order it this Snakepit. Oneiros has confirmed that we don't have to do this last time it came up here.
Kepler Design Suggestion - aeqnai
Features of most Kepler designs:
It will have a saucer-only deflector.
It will have the Renaissance nacelles in a 2-nacelle configuration.
It will have a medium-sized Engineering section for a frigate, which can mean whatever you want it to ship-design wise. A large would require a separate deflector, small would likely be integrated into the saucer.
It will not have torpedoes.
It may or may not have a sensor module (Miranda sensor module but I don't think anyone is married to that look).
It will have a saucer-only deflector.
It will have the Renaissance nacelles in a 2-nacelle configuration.
It will have a medium-sized Engineering section for a frigate, which can mean whatever you want it to ship-design wise. A large would require a separate deflector, small would likely be integrated into the saucer.
It will not have torpedoes.
It may or may not have a sensor module (Miranda sensor module but I don't think anyone is married to that look).