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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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For people who don't want to start the Kepler yet:

[X][COUNCIL] Plan Drop Kepler and Ferasa Shipyard for Indoria Starbase
  • Request new Starbase I [KBZ – Shrantet III] 25pp for KBZ
  • Request new Starbase I [Licori Border Zone - Sector Commander's choice] 25pp for LBZ
  • Request new Starbase I [Indoria] 15pp +12pp = 27pp
  • Request Mining Colony at Kohl II, 8pp, +25 / +25 br/sr per year, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Piara V, 8pp, 25 (35) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 40pp
  • Request Academy Development, 40pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, {Weapons and Offensive Doctrine] - 20pp
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, {Starbase and Defensive Doctrine] - 20pp
  • Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 25% in that system when making either a parallel or serial build, provides Heavy Industry options pre-SoE, 115pp (Mars in Sol System)
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Ashidi]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [The Tauni]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Yan-Ros]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Hishmeri Septs]
  • Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Operations, 20pp (Will improve ops teams next time they are required)

If people want something else dropped instead of the new shipyard, please say so.
 
70 PP for another Intel report... it may be worth it. Also those admiral bonuses! Except for Sirvik who if I am reading that right only reduces time on explorers by 1 are total which is nice but not amazing.

But those research bonuses, the doctrine one just removed the need to boost forward defense in 2317 and 2318.
 
Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 25% in that system when making either a parallel or serial build, provides Heavy Industry options pre-SoE, 115pp (pick world)
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By the way, if anyone is curious what "Heavy Industry Options" are, this is from the Arcadian SOE votes:

  • Rush Starship Construction for <Single ship under construction> (Variable, ship will proceed at 2x rate)
  • Rush Construction at <Shipyard> (9 Months, all builds gain +1Qtr of work)
  • Brute force repairs (1.5x penalty to cost, 4x speed increase)

Presumably we'll get to select where to put the team at Shipyard Ops votes each year.
 
[X][COUNCIL] Plan Drop Kepler and Ferasa Shipyard for Indoria Starbase
 
Hmm. Focused rushbuilding might be very valuable on prototypes, wouldn't it? Pity Bg E and Ambassador are not applicable for a single park.
 
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan Drop Kepler and Ferasa Shipyard for Indoria Starbase
 
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I think a LBZ starbase doesn't make sense right now. We probably aren't going to want to drop the fleet below 9D anyway, by next year things should have settled down a lot and the danger of a rogue mentat should be much reduced, we have a starbase just behind the LBZ at Betazed anyway, and we can get a Starbase in the LBZ for 15pp if we wait for a couple of years to get Frontline Infrastructure first, less if we also wait for Deep Space Construction. KBZ can maybe be argued because we lost a listening post there and are worried about the biophage, and are going to benefit from Forward Defence bonuses with the Caldonia starbase later, but the LBZ starbase would be basically cheating ourselves out of a major benefit of our doctrine choice, for little immediate benefit.
 
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[X][COUNCIL] Plan develop no Kepler
  • Request new Starbase I [KBZ – Shrantet III] 25pp for KBZ
  • Request new Starbase I [indoria] 27pp for Indoria
  • Request Mining Colony at Kohl II, 16pp, +25 / +25 br/sr per year, 4 turns
  • Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 7pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Mining Colony at Piara V, 8pp, 25 (35) br/yr, 4 turns
  • Request Allocation for an Excelsior's resources, one-off-infusion of an Excelsior's cost, 40pp
  • Request Academy Development, 40pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, {Weapons and Offensive Doctrine] - 20pp
  • Request new Tech Team to be added to your Ship Design Bureau, {Starbase and Defensive Doctrine] - 20pp
  • Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 25% in that system when making either a parallel or serial build, provides Heavy Industry options pre-SoE, 115pp (Mars in Sol System)
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Ashidi]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [The Tauni]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Obar]
  • Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (One affiliate or prospective race will undergo accelerate diplomacy) [Hishmeri Septs]
  • Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Operations, 20pp (Will improve ops teams next time they are required)
  • Request new Shipyard at Ferasa, 22pp, (12 turns, 1 3mt Berth)
So no Kepler and only pushing non affiliates. Unfortunately ended up 8 PP shy of the Amarkia shipyard so settled on ferasa, though Indoria was tempting
 
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Random Member said:
For people who don't want to start the Kepler yet:
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On STARTING THE KEPLER

1. We have a great design now, and the sooner we start designing it, the sooner we build the prototype, the sooner we and member worlds can start producing it.
2. Waiting on the Survey Sensors delays all that by TWO YEARS. Think of how many Events Keplers can be passing in those two extra years.
3. The fact that Modules have yet to be worked out is not an issue. If Modules produce a superior design, we can still use that. By Ambassador precedent, we don't have to vote on the final design until the end of the design process as long as we use only technology available when we started the design.
4. Delaying the Kepler also delays our next generation Combat Frigate. The Miranda-A is a stopgap measure built because we don't have anything better. As sooner as our design tream finishes the Kepler it's almost certainly desirable to put them immediately on a next generation combat frigate. Delaying the Kepler also delays the Miranda replacement!
 
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The Miranda-A is a stop-gap measure built because we don't have anything better that isn't blocked by political games above our pay grade.
 
Briefvoice said:
On STARTING THE KEPLER

1. We have a great design now, and the sooner we start designing it, the sooner we build the prototype, the sooner we and member worlds can start producing it.
2. Waiting on the Survey Senosrs delays all that by TWO YEARS. Think of how many Events Keplers can be passing in those two extra years.
3. The fact that Modules have yet to be worked out is not an issue. If Modules produce a superior design, we can still use that. By Ambassador precedent, we don't have to vote on the final design until the end of the design process as long as we use only technology available when we started the design.
4. Delaying the Kepler also delays our next generation Combat Frigate. The Miranda-A is a stopgap measure built because we don't have anything better. As sooner as our design tream finishes the Kepler it's almost certainly desirable to put them immediately on a next generation combat frigate. Delaying the Kepler also delays the Miranda replacement!
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Modules not being settled down means that lack of a T3 warp core or the like could end up costing us a stat point, or lack of T2 Nacelles increase the SR cost, even assuming we only lock down parts and not the design. Starting now also makes a mess of research plans, and it doesn't delay a sensibly planned for Combat Frigate (which at minimum should include T3 tactical frame) at all, because it doesn't delay the key technologies researched by other teams in the mean time (or shifts whether they are researched before the Kepler or after). Also, we already voted on this two years ago, and not enough has changed to overthrow a 23:3 vote.
 
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Briefvoice said:
On STARTING THE KEPLER

1. We have a great design now, and the sooner we start designing it, the sooner we build the prototype, the sooner we and member worlds can start producing it.
2. Waiting on the Survey Sensors delays all that by TWO YEARS. Think of how many Events Keplers can be passing in those two extra years.
3. The fact that Modules have yet to be worked out is not an issue. If Modules produce a superior design, we can still use that. By Ambassador precedent, we don't have to vote on the final design until the end of the design process as long as we use only technology available when we started the design.
4. Delaying the Kepler also delays our next generation Combat Frigate. The Miranda-A is a stopgap measure built because we don't have anything better. As sooner as our design tream finishes the Kepler it's almost certainly desirable to put them immediately on a next generation combat frigate. Delaying the Kepler also delays the Miranda replacement!
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Better to have them and not need them then not have them and need them. I am in favor of waiting two years for the Survey Sensors if it gets us better results in the long term.
Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Jun 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, finished with 867 posts and 40 votes.
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Adhoc vote count started by Thors_Alumni on Jun 15, 2017 at 1:12 PM, finished with 61 posts and 8 votes.
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Nix said:
Also, we already voted on this two years ago, and not enough has changed to overthrow a 23:3 vote.
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You're welcome to your opinion and you can vote for whatever you want, but I resent you playing the "this has already been decided" card.

Joshrand1982 said:
Better to have them and not need them then not have them and need them. I am in favor of waiting two years for the Survey Sensors if it gets us better results in the long term.
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I would argue it may get us worse results in the long-term. Before Survey Sensors start to pay off over two more years of Keplers, we may well be replacing Keplers with the science frigate after that. There's no guarantee it ever pays off.
 
I'm not sure about pushing the Yan-Ros over the Obar-in general I hold that we should make it a matter of policy to push non-affiliates with compatible values to affiliate status before focusing on making them members.
 
The Kepler already is a great ship that we and the member fleet would really like to have access to as soon as possible, waiting on it just for some minimal improvements seems a bit greedy. The sooner we fill our sectors with them the better. The perfect is the enemy of the good and all that.
 
Briefvoice said:
You're welcome to your opinion and you can vote for whatever you want, but I resent you playing the "this has already been decided" card.



I would argue it may get us worse results in the long-term. Before Survey Sensors start to pay off over two more years of Keplers, we may well be replacing Keplers with the science frigate after that. There's no guarantee it ever pays off.
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I would really like to know how quickly we can refit the Kepler to have survey sensors if we start before unlocking them.
 
@OneirosTheWriter can we get a special survey sensors refit or just a fitted for but not with module within 5 years of prototyping? It would settle this debate since we don't have them on the sheet yet.
 
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