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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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This should be my final vote.

[X][PRIORITY] Change Betazoid Priority from Centaur-As to Constellation-As.

[X][CAL] Lobby the Council (Andorians can serve as emergency responders to failed event responses in Caldonian space (-15pp)
[X][EC] Pick an Explorer Corps ship to carry this out
[X][LOG] Start 2 Starfleet Cargo Ships at Irrizizza for 8pp
[X][GAENI] 100sr for 150br
[X][CATS] 1 Fathership, 4 Swarmers
[X][REN] Endorse the tech transfer
[X][BEE] Exchange resources with the Orion
[X][ENTER] Send the survivors to existing ships
-[X] Pick three ships to give +1 Crew Rating: Courageous, Odyssey, Tarrak
 
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Winners seem pretty clear.
Adhoc vote count started by Briefvoice on Jun 12, 2017 at 10:23 AM, finished with 246 posts and 39 votes.
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Constellation-A/Constellation-P Now-2370 [310m 700k t]
C3 S4 H2 L3 P3 D4
Cost [70br, 50sr, 3 years], Crew [O-2, E-4, T-2]

Centaur-A 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3
Cost[80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2

Can someone explain why the Betazeds would be better off with Centaur-As over Constellation-As? The Consties are equal or better in every category and are cheaper.

Are they suffering from a crippling shortage of enlisted personnel that I don't know about?
 
Iron Wolf said:
Only minor nitpick is they should probably say "Serve the Praetor," as per this quote in Nemesis:

"RIKER: The Praetor's power's always been the Romulan fleet. They must be behind Shinzon for him to have overthrown the Senate."

It implies the Praetor has special domain over the fleet. Or at least a solid connection.
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I figure that it's like, The American President being the Commander in Chief. That individual is the executive connection point with the military, and there probably is a certain degree of the Praetor had better not be totally objectionable to the Navy and the Navy not having officers objectionable to the Praetor. Praetors change with the backing of the Navy I bet, but it's not like the Navy is the special demesne of the Praetor.
 
chriswriter90 said:
Constellation-A/Constellation-P Now-2370 [310m 700k t]
C3 S4 H2 L3 P3 D4
Cost [70br, 50sr, 3 years], Crew [O-2, E-4, T-2]

Centaur-A 2308-Now [315m 800k t]
C3 S3 H2 L3 P3 D3
Cost[80br, 70sr, 2 years], Crew [O-1, E-2, T-2

Can someone explain why the Betazeds would be better off with Centaur-As over Constellation-As? The Consties are equal or better in every category and are cheaper.

Are they suffering from a crippling shortage of enlisted personnel that I don't know about?
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They were in desperate need of something to fill in a lot of roles the Betazoid Patroller was simply not capable of.
 
If we combined every starship in the federation that is capable of fighting. Could we take the Cardassians?
 
Nix said:
Spreadsheet index:

Official:
ToBoldlyGo CustomShipWorkbook2 [ask @OneirosTheWriter for a link in a personal conversation]
Maintainers: @OneirosTheWriter, @lbmaian, @SynchronizedWritersBlock
Function: Custom design of new ship classes, also used for other our members, affiliates and other powers (though they can have their own parts with different stats).
Completeness: Complete with regard to currently existing rules because it defines what those are. Inclusion of future parts varies. Secret parts used by other powers not included.
Currency: Marking of parts as currently unavailable may reflect the state at the start of a design process rather than the latest in game date.
Usage:
Copy the whole spreadsheet if you want to work without interfering with anyone. You can try out some things on the main sheet if no one else is currently using it, or copy only the main sheet if you want your design to be immediately accessible to others, but be aware that this might cause slowdowns for everyone and be sure to delete any sheets that you don't need anymore as soon as possible. Also see Sci-Fi - Starfleet Ship Design Bureau ("To Boldly Go...")

Starfleet Economy [used to be available through ShipWorkbook, currently no officially sanctioned way of getting the URL? You could ask Oneiros.]
Maintainer: abandoned?
Function: tracking Starfleet logistics and assessing freighter needs.
Completeness: ???
Currency: Seems to have been abandoned?
Usage: Difficult to even understand what any of it means.

Semi-official:
Database for To Boldly Go
Maintainer: @anon_user
Function: Track characters, ships and planets.
Completeness: Tries to be complete vs actually available data, but of the data that would belong there is currently unavailable.
Currency: Updated very frequently, often multiple times a day.
Usage:
Information sheet. Mark characters you wish to be tracked in rat-race posts in yellow. If you came up with a character you might want to add missing details, particularly year of birth.

Boldly Go Shipbuild
Maintainer: @Briefvoice
Function: Planning ship building and berth usage, also Starfleet fleet strength projections.
Completeness: Usually complete for the next year or two and for mile stones like prototypes, builds several years down the line usually don't represent concrete plans but placeholders to access possible crew and/or resource shortages.
Currency: Reliably updated well before the ship building phase, essentially always up to date regarding our plans because it largely defines what those plans are, but plans can and do change on short notice.
Usage:
Information sheet, copy the spreadsheet if you e. g. want to propose a plan of your own or play around with resource income assumptions.

ToBoldlyGo Audit Ledger
Maintainer: @lbmaian
Function: Track income and help double-check for the official EOY reports.
Completeness: Generally complete, missing data is rare.
Currency: Generally up to date in time for EOY reports.
Usage: Information sheet.


Unofficial:
To Boldly Go Council Members
Maintainer: @aeqnai
Function: Overview of the composition of the Federation Council
Completeness: Complete
Currency: Updated for the 2314 election, which should make it up to date until 2317.
Usage: Information sheet.

To Boldly Go Ships & Deployments
Maintainers: @aeqnai, @Vebyast
Function: Tracking and playing around with deployments, viewing aggregate stats of task forces/fleets
Completeness: ???
Currency: ???
Usage: Probably best to copy the spreadsheet if you want to avoid interfering with other people?

Boldly Go Shipyards
Maintainer: @Briefvoice
Function: Federation-wide overview of shipyard berth sizes.
Completeness: Complete for Starfleet and full members, incomplete data for affiliates.
Currency: ??? (seems reasonably up to date as of 2316.Q1)
Usage: Information sheet.

Boldly Goes-Member and Affiliate Fleets
Maintainer: @Void Stalker
Fuction: Track Starfleet, member and affiliate fleet strength.
Completeness: ??? (seems reasonably complete as of 2316.Q1)
Currency: Usually updated after quarterly MWCO reports.
Usage: Information sheet.

To Boldly Go-Neutral and Great Power Fleets
Maintainer: @Void Stalker
Fuction: Track fleet strength of other powers.
Completeness: Limited by available intelligence data.
Currency: Marked on the sheet.
Usage: Information sheet.

To Boldly Go-Civilian-Member and Affiliate Fleets
Maintainer: @Void Stalker
Fuction: Track civilian fleet strengths.
Completeness: ???
Currency: Usually updated after quarterly MWCO reports.
Usage: Information sheet.
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Nix said:
(this is possibly very incomplete, basically just things I happened to have an open tab for)
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:o

9 tabs.

Let's update this:
AlphaDelta said:
Which Character are you?
Nix: Eaton (Mapping), and also Eaton (SDB)
Briefvoice's: Chen (SYO), and also Chen (Actual ops)
SWB: Whoever is in charge of the UP design team
UbeOne: Chief of Staff, SDB
Ibmaian: The crack programmer that single-handedly redesigned all of the SDB software. All of it. Also moonlights as an accountant as part of the Admiral's staff.
Leila Hann: FBS photographer.
Anon_user: Seruk
AlphaDelta: a random SDB officer that happened to name the Kepler, now a SF Academy staffer
Akuz: Lowly Tailor on Starbase One
Simon_Jester: someone in the SDB Think Tank. Lathriss?
Iron Wolf: Aaron Wolfe

I ran out of named characters that I remembered quickly.
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Aeqnai: Director, Starfleet Vessel Register, Starfleet Operations
Akuz: Tailor, Base Support, Starbase One
AlphaDelta: Lecturer (Ship Design/Ship Design Doctrine), Starfleet Academy; Designer, Kepler Design Group, Ship Design Bureau
Anon_user: DBA, Starfleet Personnel
Briefvoice's: Patricia Chen (Shipyard Ops); Patricia Chen (Starfleet Ops)
Ibmaian: Lead Programmer, ShipCAD, Ship Design Bureau; Deputy Chief of Staff for Operations, Commander, Starfleet
Iron Wolf: Aaron Wolfe
Leila Hann: Photographic Artist, Public Relations, Headquarters Support, Starfleet Intelligence
Nix: Victoria Eaton (Mapping); Victoria Eaton (Director, Ship Design Bureau)
OneirosTheWriter: Q (Not to be confused with Q.)
Pheonix89: Editor, Starfleet Gazette, Starfleet Operations
Simon_Jester: Leslie; Think-tank Strategist; Lecturer (Military History), Starfleet Academy
SWB: Chief Designer, Ambassador Design Group, Ship Design Bureau; Chief Designer, Kepler Design Group, Ship Design Bureau
UbeOne: Chief of Staff, SDB
Void Stalker: Senior Analyst (Fleet Strength), Analysis Desk, Starfleet Intelligence


@OneirosTheWriter

Can you threadmark the Intelligence Org Chart?
 
Commander Starfleet shapes the policy of Starfleet and set the general course.
Who made the most plans that were bandwagoned on?
 
Briefvoice said:
Sure Riker. "Always."
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AKuz said:
I figure that it's like, The American President being the Commander in Chief. That individual is the executive connection point with the military, and there probably is a certain degree of the Praetor had better not be totally objectionable to the Navy and the Navy not having officers objectionable to the Praetor. Praetors change with the backing of the Navy I bet, but it's not like the Navy is the special demesne of the Praetor.
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On the other hand, the plot of Balance of Terror rests entirely on the Praetors explicit commands, which are relayed to "his" flagship. The campaign's conception is from the office of the Praetor, and success is relayed directly to him. Nemesis takes a sort of implication there and makes it obvious.

Also that's what I wrote in my omake way back :p

Sounds like Wenlai's backers should consider sliding him into a place higher than Admiral...
 
Iron Wolf said:
On the other hand, the plot of Balance of Terror rests entirely on the Praetors explicit commands, which are relayed to "his" flagship. The campaign's conception is from the office of the Praetor, and success is relayed directly to him. Nemesis takes a sort of implication there and makes it obvious.

Also that's what I wrote in my omake way back :p

Sounds like Wenlai's backers should consider sliding him into a place higher than Admiral...
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The Roman Consuls were both the senior executive magistrates and the military heads of the Legions. But until everything went to shit it was due to the office and not the man
 
AKuz said:
The Roman Consuls were both the senior executive magistrates and the military heads of the Legions. But until everything went to shit it was due to the office and not the man
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I say 'office' because more than one person was involved in the planning, but from the dialouge in Balance of Terror the Commander implies it's pretty much driven by one man:

COMMANDER: Must it always be so? How many comrades have we lost in this way?
CENTURION: Our portion, Commander, is obedience.
COMMANDER: Obedience. Duty. Death and more death. Soon even enough for the Praetor's taste. Centurion, I find myself wishing for destruction before we can return. Worry not. Like you, I am too well-trained in my duty to permit it. Continue evasive manoeuvres. Now, back to the first course.
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It's actually quite interesting. It implies the Praetor is more hawk-like than the Senate and is trying to provoke Starfleet via the use of his most trusted ship, because he can't get the Senate to declare war.
 
Iron Wolf said:
Sounds like Wenlai's backers should consider sliding him into a place higher than Admiral...
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AKuz said:
The Roman Consuls were both the senior executive magistrates and the military heads of the Legions. But until everything went to shit it was due to the office and not the man
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I mean, I'm not sure we're even disagreeing here. You're both right that Romans parallels are excruciatingly obvious. When "everything went to shit" with the Romans it was because the Conservatives were blocking every reform that could have saved the Republic, so the populari had no choice but to turn to violence. (Or is is that the populari were cynically exploiting the passions of the common man to grab power for themselves?)

The vision for Wenlai is that he would be a Sulla-like figure, sweeping in at the head of a navy personally loyal to himself and declaring himself Praetor-for-life, executing all the reforms that the Reformists want to see (also executing all the people who 'need execution'), and then retiring after the bloodshed to go write history books. The only really astonishing thing is that Beckek could recognize his potential so early in his career and dare to plant the seed even now. But she sees in him a unique figure who is:

1. Such a military genius that he is likely to be able rack up a string of successes necessary for such credibility.
2. Has a slapdash charisma that inspires loyalty in almost everyone who serves with him and makes the troops see him as 'one of them'.
3. Actually has the personal character that he really would reform the government, wash his hands of blood, and retire in peace having restored power to a reformed and slightly more democratic Senate.

So she's like, "Hey, just by the way, think about what it would really take to reform the Empire. Oh, and here why don't I send my daughter along with you, both as my personal spy but also as a sort of hostage to show just how serious I am about you, and also to keep the Tal Shiar from assassinating you. She totally has a superficial crush right now because you saved her, and we'll see where that goes."

The real questions are if Wenlai can actually win the war and if he could bring himself to go along with the rest of the plan.
 
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Briefvoice said:
I mean, I'm not sure we're even disagreeing here. You're both right that Romans parallels are excruciatingly obvious. When "everything went to shit" with the Romans it was because the Conservatives were blocking every reform that could have saved the Republic, so the populari had no choice but to turn to violence. (Or is is that the populari were cynically exploiting the passions of the common man to grab power for themselves?)

The vision for Wenlai is that he would be a Sulla-like figure, sweeping in at the head of a navy personally loyal to himself and declaring himself Praetor-for-life, executing all the reforms that the Reformists want to see (also executing all the people who 'need execution'), and then retiring after the bloodshed to go write history books. The only really astonishing thing is that Beckek could recognize his potential so early in his career and dare to plant the seed even now. But she sees in him a unique figure who is:

1. Such a military genius that he is likely to be able rack up a string of successes necessary for such credibility.
2. Has a slapdash charisma that inspires loyalty in almost everyone who serves with him and makes the troops see him as 'one of them'.
3. Actually has the personal character that he really would reform the government, wash his hands of blood, and retire in peace having restored power to a reformed and slightly more democratic Senate.

So she's like, "Hey, just by the way, think about what it would really take to reform the Empire. Oh, and here why don't I send my daughter along with you, both as my personal spy but also as a sort of hostage to show just how serious I am about you, and also to keep the Tal Shiar from assassinating you. She totally has a superficial crush right now because you saved her, and we'll see where that goes."

The real questions are if Wenlai can actually win the war and if he could bring himself to go along with the rest of the plan.
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Doesn't he just need to decidedly NOT LOSE given who his opposite number is a reference too?

A draw with establishment power blocks crippled suits both expies well. Arguably better since dealing with the conquered territory would tie up the attention they need to clean up shop.

An excellent battle scene, by the way. Writing two extremely intelligent commanders going at it is probably the hardest type to write because it requires writing people smarter/more skilled than the author without being able to dumb down one side to make the other look smarter.

Reminded me a great deal of the final battle of The Last Angel, to be honest. One side's "merely" got a great commander but also has material superiority, the other side has a transcendental freak genius commander but a serious disadvantage in force.
 
Iron Wolf said:
I say 'office' because more than one person was involved in the planning, but from the dialouge in Balance of Terror the Commander implies it's pretty much driven by one man:



It's actually quite interesting. It implies the Praetor is more hawk-like than the Senate and is trying to provoke Starfleet via the use of his most trusted ship, because he can't get the Senate to declare war.
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"The President is more Hawkish than the House and is trying to provoke Germany via the use of the navy, because he can't get the Congress to declare war"

That can describe how FDR acted in the lead up to the second world war. It doesn't imply that he was in office due to army backing.
 
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