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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest)

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To Boldly Go... (a Starfleet quest) Starfleet Ship Design Bureau, Refit ("To Boldly Go...")
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[X][COUNCIL] Industrial Parks and Academy
-[X] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 1 month/year in that system, 115pp (Sol System)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species (Ashidi), 20pp
[X] [FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
 
Iron Wolf said:
Holy shit, after this is over can we make a hard push to affiliate the Licori? Clearly their Hat is fixed defenses, which should help with our sort of pacifist outlook.

More seriously I can only suspect the Goliath Stations are like, militarized moonlets. Like, Gammon has a big moon and then they ALSO dragged three nickle-iron rich asteriods over into orbit and stuck a bunch of guns and shield generators on them. C8 L14 H14, what is this???

[Note I can't find the stats for Starbase I so maybe they're not too off. Still, three of them??]
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They had to save up a lot of PP.
 
It really isn't the time for the heavy industrial park. Not only do we not currently care about berth time, but 1 month/year is abstracted away in a quarterly system. You're spending 115pp on nothing. It won't matter until we start making custom ships with x/12 build times, and even then only 1/3 of the time.

Plus, letting our pressure off the Yrillian / Sydraxian / Gretarian border is bad, given events there.
 
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[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo
-[x] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[x] Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
-[x] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Gretarians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Yrillians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Ashidi)
-[x] Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
166 pp

[X] [FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
 
[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo
-[x] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[x] Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
-[x] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Honiani)
Of -[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Yrillians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Ashidi)
-[x] Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
166 pp

[X] [FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It really isn't the time for the heavy industrial park. Not only do we not currently care about berth time, but 1 month/year is abstracted away in a quarterly system. You're spending 115pp on nothing. It won't matter until we start making custom ships with x/12 build times, and even then only 1/3 of the time.

Plus, letting our pressure off the Yrillian / Sydraxian / Gretarian border is bad, given events there.
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One month per year is one quarter on 3 year and four year builds. I agree that it's a bad pick, but it's not nothing.
[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo

[X] [FACTION] Approach the development faction about putting together a general recovery program for the aftereffects of the Licori war. Some of our economies will suffer from war mobiliziation, our allies the Ked Paddah and Gaeni have suffered even more greatly economically, and the Licori themselves will need help on both economic and sophontarian grounds. Regardless of the details of the eventual peace deal we will need to be ready for action across the board.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It really isn't the time for the heavy industrial park. Not only do we not currently care about berth time, but 1 month/year is abstracted away in a quarterly system. You're spending 115pp on nothing. It won't matter until we start making custom ships with x/12 build times, and even then only 1/3 of the time.
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I assume it's cumulative, so Cruisers and Explorers would have 1 quarter knocked off their total build time, and if Oneiros is generous Escorts might "round up" to drop 1 quarter as well. You don't seriously think we'd build this thing and Oneiros would declare it to have no effect, do you?

Plus, letting our pressure off the Yrillian / Sydraxian / Gretarian border is bad, given events there.
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Or it's lettings the FDS do its job without trying to throw gasoline on a volatile situation.
 
[X][COUNCIL] Industrial Parks and Academy
-[X] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[X] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[X] Sponsor efforts to create Heavy Industrial park to reduce construction times by 1 month/year in that system, 115pp (Sol System)
-[X] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species (Ashidi), 20pp

[X][FACTION] Approach the Developers - Crew recruitment and training is an issue not just for Starfleet, but for all Member World fleets. Propose founding a joint Federation Space Academy based on input from Starfleet and all Member World fleet organizations with the goal of unifying starship crew training standards across the Federation, allowing Starfleet Academy and similar member world institutions to focus solely on service-specific training. (Desired mechanical effect- Improve Crew income, especially officers.)
 
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pheonix89 said:
One month per year is one quarter on 3 year and four year builds. I agree that it's a bad pick, but it's not nothing.
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Briefvoice said:
I assume it's cumulative, so Cruisers and Explorers would have 1 quarter knocked off their total build time, and if Oneiros is generous Escorts might "round up" to drop 1 quarter as well. You don't seriously think we'd build this thing and Oneiros would declare it to have no effect, do you?
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Even then, it's just so marginal, and no I don't think escorts will round up because in the past we haven't rounded up.

Briefvoice said:
Or it's lettings the FDS do its job without trying to throw gasoline on a volatile situation.
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Who do you think does the diplomatic pushes in the first place?
 
I want to point out pushing the Graterian is taking a gamble on the reaction s of the Sydraxians, Cardassians and Yrillians. If it goes wrong most of our ships are tied up with the Licori.

It also gives a rallying point for the Reds. This is a chance to get the Sydraxians to neutral or aligned with us so doing something that helps the pro cardassians section is a poor idea.
 
It's more likely to destroy pro-Cardassian factions than to embolden them. I mean, you could make the argument that Lora should have let the pro-war factions double down on anger at the Federation. But it didn't. The Sydraxian political winds are blowing against that right now.
 
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@AKuz, as our current expert on the topic, can you speculate on the effects on the Sydraxians if we push the Yrillians and/or Gretarians?[/QUOTE]

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We should certainly push the Yrillians. Moving then to 300 is good for us and is also something that we've been doing anyway.

As far as the Gretarians go... There is a chance that if we threaten to cut the economic throat of the Sydraxians we could push them into full civil war instead of "No one is happy. But no one is shooting" mode. (The Sydraxians were running full out with the Gretarian materials, even threatening to deny that might cause the situation to deteriorate)

My personal feeling is that the situation in Gretaria will be resolved simultaneously with the negotiations with the Sydraxians (If we could I would buy an option for "Push Coreward flank in a concerted Yrillian/Gretarian/Sydraxian effort)

The "dare all and piss in the Cardassians' face" option is to push Sydraxian, Yrillians, and Gretarians.

The cautious "Let the FDS handle this carefully" option is Yrillia alone.

I'm inclined towards caution myself. Things look to trend good; lets not upset the apple cart just yet.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It's more likely to destroy pro-Cardassian factions than to embolden them. I mean, you could make the argument that Lora should have let the pro-war factions double down on anger at the Federation. But it didn't.
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I see it as something they can point to as aggression versus them and also as not caring of their existing relationships with them. I do not see how it would destroy the pro cardassians factions.

Edit: have changed my plan to include a diplo push on the Yrillians instead of the ked peddah. If need be csn switch honiani to ked peddah for the third diplo push
 
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Void Stalker said:
I see it as something they can point to as aggression versus them and also as not caring of their existing relationships with them. I do not see how it would destroy the pro cardassians factions.
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The entire revolution was triggered by a loss of face of the governing faction, due to failure of their policy of confrontation with the Federation and of expansionism. The policy of hegemony over the Gretarians is a policy from that same faction. Continued, repeated loss of face is likely to drive even more people from their supporters, because we know that the current situation was triggered by the loss of Lora in the first place. It reinforces their opponents' positions that expansionist and Federation-confronting policy was wrong.

Night_stalker said:
[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo
-[x] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[x] Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
-[x] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Honiani)
Of -[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Yrillians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Ashidi)
-[x] Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
166 pp
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If you change something, you need to rename the plan for the tally program to account for it.

AKuz said:
@AKuz, as our current expert on the topic, can you speculate on the effects on the Sydraxians if we push the Yrillians and/or Gretarians?

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We should certainly push the Yrillians. Moving then to 300 is good for us and is also something that we've been doing anyway.

As far as the Gretarians go... There is a chance that if we threaten to cut the economic throat of the Sydraxians we could push them into full civil war instead of "No one is happy. But no one is shooting" mode. (The Sydraxians were running full out with the Gretarian materials, even threatening to deny that might cause the situation to deteriorate)

My personal feeling is that the situation in Gretaria will be resolved simultaneously with the negotiations with the Sydraxians (If we could I would buy an option for "Push Coreward flank in a concerted Yrillian/Gretarian/Sydraxian effort)

The "dare all and piss in the Cardassians' face" option is to push Sydraxian, Yrillians, and Gretarians.

The cautious "Let the FDS handle this carefully" option is Yrillia alone.

I'm inclined towards caution myself. Things look to trend good; lets not upset the apple cart just yet.
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The problem is that we aren't negotiating with the Sydraxians.

So we have to deal with the cards we can play, not the fantasy ones we can't.
 
cast2007 said:
[x] [COUNCIL] Plan Colony, UP, and Diplo
-[x] Request Research Colony at Cronulla VI, 8pp 5 (7) rp/yr, 4 turns
-[x] Request development of Utopia Planitia, 28pp, (4 turns, gain 1 3mt, 1 1mt berth)
-[x] Request Academy Development, 35pp (Gain +.5 Officers/Enlisted/Techs throughput)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Honiani)
Of -[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Yrillians)
-[x] Request focused Diplomacy on a potential member species, 20pp (Ashidi)
-[x] Acquire additional resources for Starfleet Intelligence Gathering, 35pp (Gain +1 Intel Report per year)
166 pp
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Night_stalker said:
I didn't change anything.
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Sorry, wrong person, it was @cast2007, but the issue still applies to your vote - because you voted for a duplicated and edited plan your vote won't be counted properly.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The entire revolution was triggered by a loss of face of the governing faction, due to failure of their policy of confrontation with the Federation and of expansionism. The policy of hegemony over the Gretarians is a policy from that same faction. Continued, repeated loss of face is likely to drive even more people from their supporters, because we know that the current situation was triggered by the loss of Lora in the first place. It reinforces their opponents' positions that expansionist and Federation-confronting policy was wrong.



If you change something, you need to rename the plan for the tally program to account for it.



The problem is that we aren't negotiating with the Sydraxians.

So we have to deal with the cards we can play, not the fantasy ones we can't.
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We sort of are. Starfleet has no hand in it, but I fully expect the next update to involve the council trying to figure out exactly how much "lol we're not touching you" the FDS should do with regards to Celos.

After all we won't be negotiating with the Sydraxian government. Merely talking with Concerned Citizens. And a Cardassian "Shut up and sit down" will probably completely explode the situation... and we are much closer to Sydraxian space.
 
SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
It's more likely to destroy pro-Cardassian factions than to embolden them. I mean, you could make the argument that Lora should have let the pro-war factions double down on anger at the Federation. But it didn't. The Sydraxian political winds are blowing against that right now.
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Lora wasn't quite as aggressive an act as prying away a vassal would be; We were fighting over unclaimed space, not attacking an entrenched claim of theirs. Further, arguably the entire point of Gabriel was to get the Sydraxi to stop their hostilities against us by showing them what us properly responding would look like while staying clear of their home territory; They have, as far as I can tell, since done that, and us now pushing them by pulling at the Gretarians might look as if, now that we have the upper hand, we're willing to attack them after all.
In short, Lora was pushing them out of an offensive mindset into a more reasonable neutral one. Now pushing Gretaria might push the Sydraxi out of the neutral mindset into a defensive one.

The entire reason we're even here now is that we've shown them that aggressiveness on their part is pointless, and that in turn we are uninterested in aggressiveness of our own to which they'd need to respond. Pushing the Gretarians can, and will be if they can get away with it, twisted by the parties opposed to us into an act of aggression from us to which the Sydraxian people need to respond by rallying around those parties' banners, a preparatory action to weaken the Hierarchy before we will invade them outright, like we're (allegedly) currently doing the Licori.

SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The problem is that we aren't negotiating with the Sydraxians.

So we have to deal with the cards we can play, not the fantasy ones we can't.
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Negotiating, no. Influencing them, however indirectly, yes. Everything we do in that region will have some sort of consequences, some effect on the Sydraxian's perception of us.

By the look of things, there's a decent chance that things will develop in our favor and in favor of the political parties friendly to us, especially if we are careful in influencing them in a beneficial manner - i.e., pushing the Yrillians so the FDS has more go-betweens. Still doesn't mean that we can't mess things up too, though, if we're careless. I think pushing the Gretarians would do that, or at least the chance that it would is big enough that I don't think it's worth the risk.
 
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SynchronizedWritersBlock said:
The entire revolution was triggered by a loss of face of the governing faction, due to failure of their policy of confrontation with the Federation and of expansionism. The policy of hegemony over the Gretarians is a policy from that same faction. Continued, repeated loss of face is likely to drive even more people from their supporters, because we know that the current situation was triggered by the loss of Lora in the first place. It reinforces their opponents' positions that expansionist and Federation-confronting policy was wrong.



The problem is that we aren't negotiating with the Sydraxians.

So we have to deal with the cards we can play, not the fantasy ones we can't.
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We are negotiating with the Sydraxians though or at least a faction of them. They showed up in the latest captain log.

Right now I think best case a Graterian push results in the reds doing nothing by being too busy internally. Worst case I see a response from them the Yrillians and cardassians thanks to their ties together that turns to shooting.

Right now we have a constellation and a centaur-a there. And UESPA which also patrols there is tied up with the Licori.
 
There's a whole lot of "we have no clue what's actually happening or what the options mean" going on here. Everybody is operating off assumptions and I see little-to-nothing nothing that I could use to make an evaluation. For all I know that "diplomatic push" could be urging the diplomats to back off.
 
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