Yeah but we dont have one right now, nor do we have an ETA and when we'll be commissioned to make a replacement for the Archer. This entire ship is about covering what the Federation doesn't have right now...
In the Second Golden Age of Piracy
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In the Second Golden Age of Piracy
After a founding member world was almost taken?
I do like how both of you conveniently did not quote my other post.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
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Single Target Rating: 56 vs 38
Multi-Target Rating: 39 vs 34
Max Sustained Damage: 56 vs 68
Alpha Strike Damage: 105 vs 116
Hull Rating: 64 vs 94
Shield Rating: 73 vs 86
Two Mirandas volleying four less expensive torpedoes has a higher alpha strike than one Federation putting two modern torpedoes into a target... sounds about right, the point of the more advanced torpedo is damage-per-unit, not damage-per-cost.
Multi-Target likewise makes sense, as it's four phasers versus two. And likewise, higher Hull Rating would make sense, given that there's just more mass in two Mirandas (440,000 tons) than one Federation.
The main capability that you get from the Federation is Single Target Rating, and that the slightly lower total shield rating is condensed into a single ship, so it can potentially take more of a beating before it starts losing value in a fight.
All told, exactly the intended result for a fleet anchor designed to primarily exist in an era of solo fights.
So, given that we're looking at 9 Federations being the same cost as 19 Mirandas, let's do a comparison in stats at the actual cost ratio:
Single Target Rating: 56 vs 38
Multi-Target Rating: 39 vs 34
Max Sustained Damage: 56 vs 68
Alpha Strike Damage: 105 vs 116
Hull Rating: 64 vs 94
Shield Rating: 73 vs 86
Two Mirandas volleying four less expensive torpedoes has a higher alpha strike than one Federation putting two modern torpedoes into a target... sounds about right, the point of the more advanced torpedo is damage-per-unit, not damage-per-cost.
Multi-Target likewise makes sense, as it's four phasers versus two. And likewise, higher Hull Rating would make sense, given that there's just more mass in two Mirandas (440,000 tons) than one Federation.
The main capability that you get from the Federation is Single Target Rating, and that the slightly lower total shield rating is condensed into a single ship, so it can potentially take more of a beating before it starts losing value in a fight.
All told, exactly the intended result for a fleet anchor designed to primarily exist in an era of solo fights.
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We might want to start planning out what kind of synergies we're going for. If Shuttles win, we'll want to build this machine for emergency response, survey, etc.
If cargo wins, we'll want this ship built for logistical support and other stuff, like holding spare parts, chemical feedstocks, etc.
In any case, I'm satisfied with the choices we've made thus far. Fat Feddie is a wonderful murder machine and will make the Klingons and Romulans very very concerned in the near future.
If cargo wins, we'll want this ship built for logistical support and other stuff, like holding spare parts, chemical feedstocks, etc.
In any case, I'm satisfied with the choices we've made thus far. Fat Feddie is a wonderful murder machine and will make the Klingons and Romulans very very concerned in the near future.
I think it would be harder to respond to piracy reports while in the interior, while on an infrastructure schedule, rather than on the edges where the piracy is more likely to happen and already tasked in a first responder role.
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I feel like you misunderstood me.
If the Federation is carrying the cargo to be stolen, that means that the pirates go to IT
That kinda makes all that a moot point
The way I see it, having the ability to haul a large amount of cargo does indeed add to "depth of capability", just the same as having a flight of shuttles and workbees that can patch up other ships.
The Archer-class is too weak to cruise around high-risk areas or the frontier, and having the ability to efficiently carry relatively large cargo pods etc in the Federation-class would be extremely valuable, especially when the Federation-class can theoretically sit at warp 6.8 for months without strain. That's crazy fast. And if pressed it can accelerate to max cruise, which is blazing fast.
For general support and for assistance during fleet actions, the shuttlebays would be invaluable. It would drastically increase our ability to get our ships patched up and back to base, and salvage valuable starships instead of scuttle them.
Both are tremendously valuable options.
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My vote is for the cargo. We need to sell this to Starfleet, how great would it be if we can offer a ship that can solo an enemy battleship, tear up tremendous amounts of distance, has blazing fast speed, can carry a lot more cargo than expected and numerous other capabilities we're about to choose now? The Archer can't deliver to hot areas, it's too weak. We can, and we can do it faster. No doubt we'll make other pics that'll increase this ship's value further.
The Archer-class is too weak to cruise around high-risk areas or the frontier, and having the ability to efficiently carry relatively large cargo pods etc in the Federation-class would be extremely valuable, especially when the Federation-class can theoretically sit at warp 6.8 for months without strain. That's crazy fast. And if pressed it can accelerate to max cruise, which is blazing fast.
For general support and for assistance during fleet actions, the shuttlebays would be invaluable. It would drastically increase our ability to get our ships patched up and back to base, and salvage valuable starships instead of scuttle them.
Both are tremendously valuable options.
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My vote is for the cargo. We need to sell this to Starfleet, how great would it be if we can offer a ship that can solo an enemy battleship, tear up tremendous amounts of distance, has blazing fast speed, can carry a lot more cargo than expected and numerous other capabilities we're about to choose now? The Archer can't deliver to hot areas, it's too weak. We can, and we can do it faster. No doubt we'll make other pics that'll increase this ship's value further.
In this second golden age, an Archer (let alone a civilian contractor) would be as vulnerable as a Spanish treasure ship going up against a steam powered frigate.
The cargo option for the Feddie will allow Starfleet to keep its cargo unmolested by all but the boldest of pirate armadas, which will likely go a long way into beating them.
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That just means it's even more important to build a space Indiaman for Starfleet.
Godwinson
"Well, I've got nothing."
Y'know, that's a good point. Especially since we'll still have the opportunity for cargo bay support later, even if not high-bulk infrastructure.
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Orion ships are faster than our by a considerable margin, and (iirc) have enough punch to give them decent odds against a Connie.
You might as well slather up a cargo wagon and it's oxen with meat juices and send them with bells around their neck in lion country.
No it doesnt. Because we don't know if Starfleet will ask for us to make one any time soon.
You plan for what you have, not what you don't know is even coming down the pipeline
Also it should be pointed out besides the issue of privacy there is also the fact that the Archers aren't enough.
Plus didn't Starfleet loose some of the Archers in the war as well? So that's more capacity that needs to be regained.
Although I do want to get another Archer style ship in the future, I don't think it would be soon that we will get that opportunity given the need for combat capable ships.
They are currently having to cover a lot of what the Newtons were doing instead of the more usual heavy logistics. While the Miranda's will cover a more emergency response design with the shuttles, having a cargo capacity on the Federation would allow for the emergency supply run niche to be filled as well.
Plus didn't Starfleet loose some of the Archers in the war as well? So that's more capacity that needs to be regained.
Although I do want to get another Archer style ship in the future, I don't think it would be soon that we will get that opportunity given the need for combat capable ships.
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If it becomes a cargo hauler (as everyone wants it now) pirates never play fair, the federation class would be a surprise, but surprise only works once or twice, but once word gets out that the feddies have a class of ship that can solo any one of their ships they would go "well then send in a fleet."
Back when it was first commissioned, sure. But assuming that will always be the case is far past woefully naive.
Not even getting into random ass Klingon raiders shitposting under cover of deniability.
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An Indiaman was a essentially a cargoship with almost line ship weaponry.
Yes. They're incredibly overstretched, and being put in positions that re both risky for them and a waste of their capabilities, giving the Federation an extra-sized cargo capacity will allow it to to take over part of that burden, allowing it to play to its strengths and giving Starfleet a cargo capacity that isn't going to die like swallows flying over Malta to the Orion's.
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My personal opinion is that cargo would be better served on another ship, perhaps smaller and with a higher production run. I'll think on it a bit longer, but this is where my gut's going.
My personal opinion is that cargo would be better served on another ship, perhaps smaller and with a higher production run. I'll think on it a bit longer, but this is where my gut's going.
The word you're looking for is "deterrence".
Especially because the Federation is designed to solo fleets that don't punch hard enough
That's not born out by the Archer's retrospective at all. It didn't seem to suffer any problems against piracy, but raiding during open war. That's why it'd be nicer to put the repair on the Feddie so we might use fewer Archers on post battle carrion duty so they can stay further away from the front lines.
...I know what they are. Do we have any guarantee that we're going to receive a prompt for one any time soon?