[x] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)
I also don't like reducing our maximum warp by nearly half a factor because it's going to incentivize a faction to go hard for sprint-nacelles to claw that speed back, and I want a cruise configuration on this.
It'll also cause us to go full sprint to try and get back the lost top warp and gimp the ships efficient cruise.
This is true. Fuck I wish got to vote
for things instead of
against things more often. Not today, though.
Maximum Warp is for close emergency response and for combat pursuits, either side.
As a lynchpin of a fleet, the Federation has no business engaging in pursuits when it has buddies, and the amount of force required to make retreating a better call than standing and fighting is going to be significant.
I'm not saying higher Maximum Warp has no value, but the value it provides isn't in "faster ships cover more ground." It's a very different calculation than Efficient Cruise, which is almost always what our ships are going to actually be using.
I mean, you're
correct (you're almost always correct, actually, we're generally very much on the same wavelength, but for once I find myself disagreeing because) [1] see above regarding the inevitable sprint nacelle config faction if flight deck wins, and [2] as regards combat pursuits when you have buddies, the foe doesn't actually need to be able to outrun all of you, it just needs to be able to outrun enough of you that it can beat the remainder. It's quite easy to imagine a foe that has to flee a fleet of Mirandas anchored by a Feddie or two but could absolutely pick off Mirandas
without the Feddies, so the Mirandas
can't chase faster than the Feddie can without overextending and making themselves vulnerable.
Also, every time a 'flight deck' is mentioned people start talking about 'carriers' and thinking about space fighters, and I oppose that nonsense on general principles.
...valid, ngl. It does get old.
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, space fighters are dope as hell
in general, but they're about 0% thematically-compatible with Star Trek and I have 0 desire to try and shoehorn them into it anyways.
Also also, lacking a proper deflector may actually hurt cruise speeds if/when this thing ever gets properly refit with next-gen nacelles.
SUPER valid, imo.
Theres a need for more Science in the fleet
I mean,
I agree, but clearly Starfleet procurement doesn't, given we were told we could dump Science beyond the bare minimum.
And its one of the ways to get Starfleet Procurement to buy more Federations
...it is very clearly
not
Frankly I was hoping we would get the option of an oversized deflector to help deal with extra fast speeds, given we got the option for extra large warp core.
there's currently no
need for an oversized deflector; the highest sprint our current core+nacelle combo is capable of is easily handled by the current standard-size deflector. There might theoretically be call for such with the new nacelles- we did pick one option for the core that will specifically synergize with them for increased sprint speed, so if we also wind up with sprint-biased nacelle design choices, very good rolls on them,
and a sprint-optimized nacelle layout/configuration, there might actually be call for an oversized deflector...but that's a bit farfetched given how much the current max-cruise cap
chafes and how thread opinions are currently trending more toward the cruise end of the preference spectrum.
You must include basic science for the ship, even if you dont go any further, and tactical capacity is of paramount importance, but engineering is not mentioned at all
That says things to me
This is certainly one of the hot takes of all time. How on earth you can read "you have explicit permission to dumpstat Science" as "Science is required but you can dumpstat Engineering" is just absolutely baffling.
once the refits with the Warp-9 engines happen, I believe the smaller-than-optimal Navigational Deflector of the shuttlecarrier would penalize the refit ship even more than just -0.4 Maximum Warp Factor. Maybe it would even affect Starfleet's decision to bother refitting the Federation-type at all...
Not guaranteed but fairly likely, yes. I think this is a valid concern.
