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This will be a Flagship more than a carrier, which is fine. This will be the lovechild of the Samartha and the Thunderchild, the vital linchpin for our fleet.

We should make sure we have something good to put into/on a carrier before we make a carrier.
 
Golgotha said:
It is reasonable to evacuate a bunch of scientific or mining stations however, even if it's not planetary level shuttles.
I don't want to do flight deck because I want sprint, but in no way is it a trap option that would invalidate the design.
I made the point with the warp core choice - if we are doing a purely defensive ship, protecting fixed points, sprint speed is effectively utterly useless. It certainly wouldn't have helped defending Andoria. But that kind of shuttle swarm would help the clean up after.

I just want my ship to be less forced into defence, and want to be able to be an anchor during more aggressive maneuvering.
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That's a good point - lots of shuttles are how you clean up or set up a science station or terraforming station. Or a mine. You're not beaming a mining facility down in once piece.

stakenbake said:
This will be a Flagship more than a carrier, which is fine. This will be the lovechild of the Samartha and the Thunderchild, the vital linchpin for our fleet.

We should make sure we have something good to put into/on a carrier before we make a carrier.
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We do. STUFF. It's not a carrier for fighting, it's a carrier for people and supplies.
 
darkstarling said:
Attack fighters are also bad because they're glass cannons at best, and we don't use pilots as expendable flight computers. The only real role for armed shuttles is ground assault and low-intensity warfare when the real starships don't get involved.

That said, can we avoid the doomposting about how three votes in and we've inevitably doomed ourselves to a boondoggle of a design because of the predestined choices of the thread?



Emergency response is still a cruise speed thing unless we're, like, right there already. Less than a day at maximum warp. Not very many light years.

Diplomacy, surveying, cargo, emergency repair.


If you're travelling for a week your Maximum Warp doesn't matter, because Sprint matters for like twelve hours.

And again, people are WILDLY overstating what transporters are capable of. They're not capable of bulk for a start, especially since I'd be shocked if power expenditure didn't expand cubically with both volume and mass since that's how these things go irl. They're still useful, they can do amazing things, but they don't make physical transport obsolete. Not least because they can't be shut down by interference and/or transport inhibiters.

And that's before you get into how shuttles let you be in a dozen places at once in the same solar system.
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Taking a look at Memory Alpha?
The use of transporters for cargo transport appears to predate their use for transporting people
And has been in use for around a century now

You may be underestimating their effectiveness

darkstarling said:
That's not what a shuttle bay is for. A shuttle bay is to do bulk transit of supplies, or medivac mass casualty victims, or do surveying in person in a dozen places in a system at once.
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Point of correction: Medevac is something that transporters are blatantly superior at
Short of some situation where a transporter wont work or where the transporter is out of range, noone's waiting for the shuttle roundtrip to get someone injured to immediate medical care

The one scenario where you might use shuttes for medevac in the presence of a working transporter is when there might be a need to ensure quarantine procedures, to prevent a pathogen or the like getting onboard ship
And that was only a concern until they figured out how to implement biofilters
 
I really like the idea of the flight deck, but I hate the inline deflector.... ugh, what a dilemma.

[X] Flight Deck (Mass: 220kt) [Cost 55.5] (Maximum Warp: 8 -> 7.6)

Following my heart, I want to see where this goes.
 
[X] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)

Taking into account what's specified for this, any Science at all will be enough for a B rating. I might be wrong, but if not then we may be able to get an S rating for Science.

A rating of B or lower for Tactical will be disappointing. Hopefully we are on track for S, but be prepared for less.

Wonder what we'll get for Engineering?
 
[X] Flight Deck (Mass: 220kt) [Cost 55.5] (Maximum Warp: 8 -> 7.6)

If we want longevity, this is the way. And max sprint isn't the most important part of a defensive vessel now that we have that 6.8 cruise to get where we need to go.
 
Roaming_Guardian said:
If we want longevity, this is the way. And max sprint isn't the most important part of a defensive vessel now that we have that 6.8 cruise to get where we need to go.
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I'm convinced that the shuttlecarrier version of the Federation would be a fine enough ship for the TOS-era...

But once the refits with the Warp-9 engines happen, I believe the smaller-than-optimal Navigational Deflector of the shuttlecarrier would penalize the refit ship even more than just -0.4 Maximum Warp Factor. Maybe it would even affect Starfleet's decision to bother refitting the Federation-type at all...
 
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ScyBlade said:
[X] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt) [Cost: 55.5)

Taking into account what's specified for this, any Science at all will be enough for a B rating. I might be wrong, but if not then we may be able to get an S rating for Science.

A rating of B or lower for Tactical will be disappointing. Hopefully we are on track for S, but be prepared for less.

Wonder what we'll get for Engineering?
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We need at least a B Engineering, if not an outright A or S if we want to justify large numbers of this ship. A high cruise speed is a great multiplier, but if there is little to multiply then the result will be disappointing still.
 
[X] Conventional Secondary Hull (Mass: 220kt [Cost: 55.5)

uju32 said:
Theres a need for more Science in the fleet
And its one of the ways to get Starfleet Procurement to buy more Federations
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Is there?

We'll operate 6+ Keas until the 2290's, and with the introduction of the Attenborough and Atwater classes the number of dedicated science ships in our fleet has actually increased. Once the Miranda's are built in sufficient quantity to free them from piracy patrols, the Excaliburs are also used as science ships. That means that we operate nearly double the number of ships conducting scientific missions by 2260.

And we should also consider that out of tactical, engineering and science, science is the lowest priority for Starfleet right now. Whatever we design will be competing with the Miranda for yard time, and the Miranda will almost certainly address the internal security and response issues that we've forever been plagued with. A ship that replaces the recently refit Kea will be doomed to a small production run.
 
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