First off.
On thread behaviour. No more repeating the same point at someone who disagrees. Make new points and/or collate arguments, but repeating the same argument repeatedly does nothing to people who have read it over several times already and still disagree with you.
EDIT: Also a reminder to be kind or at least polite to each other in this thread. If youre getting heated, walk off or scream in to the void or something, but don't make a feedback loop. This isn't worth the headache.
I'm in a better mental space I think. I was hoping for some spirited debate, but It seems I didn't manage that, and I don't want this thread to devolve into bitterness or flaming. So here.
Here are the poems Snorri read.
To claim the Hammer is to claim the seat of one Lost.
To claim the seat of one Lost is to claim Understanding.
To claim Understanding is to understand the Stone and those born from it.
To understand the Stone and those born from it, is to know thus:
Resist.
Overcome.
Endure.
To claim the Hammer is to know Truth.
To know Truth is to spurn Falsehood.
To spurn Falsehood is to know Falsehood.
To know Falsehood is to understand the Self.
Resist.
Overcome.
Endure.
To claim the Hammer is to claim the seat of one Lost.
To claim the seat of one Lost is to embody Us.
To embody Us is to be Dawi
To be Dawi is to—
—Resist.
Overcome.
Endure.
Snorri's, and ONLY Snorri's right now, interpretation of this is as follows:
Get Hammer = Replace Durin = Be Thungni's Heir.
It won't be (seriously at least) contested that the hammer is his to do with as he pleases. I have already explained why. Kazador knows the hammer was the prize, Kazador saw Snorri leave with it, but he didn't get far enough in to see the poems.
This vote is deciding whether he will tell Kazador, and by extension the rest of the Karaz Ankor about the poems and this interpretation given:
- His only proof is his word of a poem
that has been destroyed.
- He can grudgingly acknowledge his interpretation is just one of many.
- His position in the Guild is currently fraught and contested as it is.
-- I will give you this freebie. Considering the above points. It isn't a crazy extrapolation to consider that some people hostile to Snorri will see this as a greedy play at power now that Thungni is gone and unable to deny him. (Vragni for instance.)
Secondly.
- His very real desire not to cause a schism in the Guild.
- His own stance on what it means to be someone's heir mean fulfilling that interpretation will probably be a daunting and fraught with potential ruin. It means to
Snorri that He must be as capable as Thungni, must answer like Thungni, must act as Thungni would act.
-- Relatedly, a small part of him is still worried about Khazagar, even now, even after the letter.
- He could do
a lot to help the Karaz Ankor (in his opinion) if he had that legitimacy.
Being heir is a position of extreme temporal and spiritual power. Regardless of whether you choose exercise that power.
Thirdly
- A small spark of ambition lies within him that wants do better than Thungni and make a greater mark than than just be His heir.
So there.
Make your choice.
Tell the world this is what you believe, or don't. There are consequences to both. Too many to count.
You have incomplete info.
I invite you read the last 4 updates and the poems and add your own conclusions/perspectives
RESPECTFULLY.
And no you can't get rid of the hammer.
