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Who said I'm not going to use the land.
NorseQuest: Collective Edition (Group-Based Xianxia Settlement-Builder)
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There were a bunch there, and they smelled dinosaur blood, and he went out after it and never came back. This place has lots of predators, though. No reason for them to know about us or assume it wasn't, well, any of a number of things.
That said, this is definitely also true. They're gonna come and say hello at some point.
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The law is because Kare is hunting the Void Eagle and is dead set to get the heart, but in the last fight with it it was me that did the most damage. Didn't help that Valo wanted to give him the heart even before the fight started. So I just wanted to codify that the person that does the most damage gets the heart.
There no point in contesting something that's considered custom that's getting codified. It's so there won't be any arguments down the line that somebody deserves it more because they are using some other metric.
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Take it up your party members, rather than try to propose a law to get what you want. Or get party members who want you to get the heart.
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That, plus two other problems.
1) Discord is not very accessible if you're trying to find a specific bit of discussion that happened a while ago. It's not impossible by any means, but it can be a pain in the neck because it's an infinite-scroller rather than being paginated.
2) If substantial amounts of major discussion of relatively serious IC matters is going on in the Discord and not in the thread, it means anyone trying to understand what is going on or get a grasp for the dynamics of the quest has to be reading both platforms. Importantly, they may have to read both platforms in chronological parallel- you might completely misunderstand events that took place in the thread two weeks ago because you weren't also reading the Discord conversation from two weeks ago. Best to keep that kind of stuff out here in the open, I say.
Again, they know about us because we've been ripping up forest and aren't blind plus also the maiden who talked to a few of us. They do know we're the unfamiliar element in the vicinity, and claim to be "strong." On top of that, sure, Karta never came back, but that doesn't mean the other oni didn't go looking for him after he'd been gone for a while.
I'm not sure what their culture's like, but Karta may have had friends. Family. He could have been out there hurt and needing rescue for all they knew. We don't necessarily bother going out into the jungle looking for someone who's probably dead, but that's because when you're a Norseman, either you can return from the dead by leaving a lock of hair at your house, or it was your Fated Day and there's no point in fussing about it. For the oni, at least trying to find out what happened to Karta would probably be important, and given that oni seem to be at least roughly as strong as Norsemen, a group of 6-12 of them should be able to do something like that without too much trouble.
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This doesn't solely benefit me, if Kare deals more damage in the next fight, he gets it fair and square. The law doesn't hurt anybody and should be fine as long as everybody agrees that the person that dealt the most damage gets it. If you still have a problem with it then contest it.
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I mean...if you'd killed it that would be a specific case to bring before the Thing...it doesn't need a whole law written about it. Remember, our lawspeaker has to remember these verbatim...we want a light law code, not one with rules for every little thing.
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[X][Law Proposal] Erik proposes that the customs surrounding who gets the heart on a beast hunt be left unchanged.
Erik agrees with the others. If Grid has a dispute with her fellow hunters over the gravity lizard's heart, she can settle it by convincing the other hunters, by raising a lawsuit, or by challenging them to a duel. Customs surrounding who gets the heart are flexible by intention.
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Another objection to Grid's law is that her words are vague. Who is to be punished by automatic exile? There would of course need to be a trial every time. But would we exile the one who takes the heart against the law? Or the entire hunting party, for permitting the heart to be taken by one the law says should not have it?
Erik, thinking about this law dispute:
"If we do as Sigmund and Ragnar says, then those who are not strong in a fight might fear to bring disputes before a court, because if they win, the loser will challenge them. The worse the penalty, the greater the fear. That doesn't sound so good."
"But if we do as Grid says, then those who are strong, or for whom losing seems worse than the risk of death, will not bother to bring disputes before a court at all. It would be better to challenge someone to a duel up front, than to risk losing the lawsuit.
"I don't know..."
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[As I remember it, it's basically legal to just openly challenge people over crap in Norse society, though if you kill them and it sticks, you'll have to pay wergild to their dependents. Thus, one of the big things to remember is that the courts aren't the only way to settle things and the 'state' doesn't have a monopoly on force. Make settling things in court less attractive than just walking up to someone's house and yelling "HEY, STUPID, I'M HERE TO KILL YOU FOR THAT THING YOU DID" and then having a death-match with them, and, well... people will resolve their disputes by walking up to houses and yelling lethal challenges.]
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"If the challenged is still free to call up a proxy, the individual strength of the challenged is less relevant. If someone weak and ill-reputed proposes a law and has it pass, well...they made their choices."
Who has access to the Golden Grass? Given it's the only nonpoisonous thing here, I think we should legislate regarding it. However, I'd rather the outcome be amicable if possible so I'd like to work things out beforehand.
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The state has 0 force, in fact. It is entirely up to the prosecution and the prosecution's allies to carry out the sentencing.
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"The...persistence of the poison is rather concerning. I'd support a motion to ensure a communal supply of golden grass."
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Erik Hardhead:
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I may have lost track of how many times the proposal's been changed around. But wait... didn't Katla Hrafndottir withdraw her challenge to Eirny Khairsdotter's law? If no one else challenges Eirny's law, then what you say would no longer apply. And besides, I thought this isn't just about what happens if people propose laws. It's about trials under the laws we already have, isn't it?"
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"...What's this about golden grass? Now I feel stupid. Did this get found out while I was off hunting or something?"
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I may have lost track of how many times the proposal's been changed around. But wait... didn't Katla Hrafndottir withdraw her challenge to Eirny Khairsdotter's law? If no one else challenges Eirny's law, then what you say would no longer apply. And besides, I thought this isn't just about what happens if people propose laws. It's about trials under the laws we already have, isn't it?"
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"...What's this about golden grass? Now I feel stupid. Did this get found out while I was off hunting or something?"
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Eirny's law is specific to the challenger, not the person challenged. which is why I withdrew my opposition to it when that was pointed out.
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The state has a [piece of decorated cardboard with a couple of dice, some lead tokens, and a lot of funny little rectangles of something bendy with runes inked on them] on force.
Someone pointed out that the piece of decorated cardboard and the other stuff do not make good weapons for using force.
The jarl sighed and said "I know, right?"
Erik: "Some day, perhaps fate will grant me a day to be right about everything. Today, is not that day."
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"True, I just thought it addressed your point. A weak person has no reason to fear proposing a law that a strong person dislikes as long as they have friends and allies to support them against a challenge. If they don't have that, then I suspect that they only got the law passed because of trickery and poor sportsmanship, and I lack sympathy for them.
As for golden grass, I don't recall when exactly it was discovered either, but I've seen it a few times. It's apparently been confirmed to not be poisonous, long before the rest of the food started fooling Runa's poison-sense."
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Don't feel bad, I made the exact same mistake, I just had it pointed out to me slightly earlier.
Gefjosa takes a break from staring blankly under her bangs and trying to disappear into the fringes of the Thing crowd. "Uncle Villagefeeder (@Sirrocco ) figured out flax. Now we won't starve. Probably."
There's a long pause.
"N... no one should fight Kare (@alexthealright )."
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Eirny sits silently as everyone misinterprets her few words.
What could she possibly be thinking.
What could she possibly be thinking.
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(flax is what linen is made from, but you are correct that Villagefeeder created a very large amount of grain seeds)
Flax is good for making linen, I believe the grass is something else?
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They appear to be nonexistent. Vatn Galtison (no relation) is taking over that claim, though. I just hadn't changed the map yet.
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In this case, I should think the revision is very important. The older version would reward absentee landlords for claiming territory and then not occupying it, trusting that the next row of landholders closer to the hall would spot and fight enemies before they got too close.
Erik: "Really? A powdered wig? That's quite a thing. Since all crabs are as bald as an egg, I wouldn't have thought they would value wigs. Quite a marvel!"
Hey, at least one of the guys who misunderstood you is known community-wide for having dented an anchor with his head when he was a kid! What does that say about his judgment?