Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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TehChron said:
Ambitious surviving subordinates? Other Druchii who want to take their Black Arks for themselves?

They have considerations beyond this fight, it's why I called it a total disaster for them and highlighted Freddy as their strategic objective to salvage the humiliation this defense has represented for them.

The Druchii have never, at any point, failed to assume that they're going win this battle and tap dance on the corpses of the Ostlanders. Thus the real threats for them are factors not present here.

Again; this was supposed to be a milk run for them.

Word of this is gonna get out no matter what.


*gestures at Druchii Modus Operandi*

The Soviet comparison is fairly apt for this whole situation they're facing, actually.

Edit: That being said, that's literally what I just described.

The point of mobile cover is that it moves, you know? And why their artillery would.keep firing at our own. To suppress it.

It's highly advantageous for our battlestate if that happens since it leaves us with wiggle room to respond to any further changes to the board
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And why do you think those issues will not arise if they are defeated with us focusing our artillery on things other then their infantry? The underlying reason for all those issues is defeat here.

As for taking cover behind monsters, I don't think they brought enough to hide thousands of troops from fire from elevated position. As such using monsters as cover if, as you claim, doing so would make monsters less efficient is counterproductive. Because it would not meaningfully reduce effectiveness of our fire .
 
[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!

I can't believe we actually went and shoved a sword up a dragon'a ass! And then went and cut off its dicks! That's the most Freddy thing I've seen in a long while! :lol:
 
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At this time, I am worried that we are assuming there would not be reinforcements for dark elves or third party intervention. Is there any guarantee on that?
 
Zentoshi said:
By the way, is this attack order by the witch king or just a higher up order it?
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If was Malekith we would have more people showing up on both sides. No this is "Just" one ark suported by the church o khaine.
Zentoshi said:
At this time, I am worried that we are assuming there would not be reinforcements for dark elves or third party intervention. Is there any guarantee on that?
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Their other forces are committed on Norland, Laureon and maybe Natasha's homeland. it's unlikely there's more Elves comming since the would risk expose themselves to an asur atack (that or they are commited elsewhere i do remember correctly) all in all chances to see the ultimate moma's boy is null.
 
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Altom said:
And why do you think those issues will not arise if they are defeated with us focusing our artillery on things other then their infantry? The underlying reason for all those issues is defeat here.
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I'm confused.

I already spelled out my problem is that our goal is to survive this fight. The Druchiis wincons only.intersect with ours by virtue of the fact that they deliberately seek to inflict unalive upon us.

That means we need them to leave. And pushing the Druchii to the point where it's not worth sticking around more quickly becomes the more effective strategy to pursue.

We need to make the situation for the Druchii untenable without weakening ourselves overly much in the process. That means employing our strength against their weakness.

Their weakness is manpower. Our strength is mass bombardment.

Their weakness is having to leave cover to enter their preferred fighting range. Our strength is the ample defenses keeping them at ours.

And since we are not so well off as to afford to ignore those advantages for a more luxurious and costly approach, prudence demands we exploit those advantages we possess to secure victory.

Altom said:
As for taking cover behind monsters, I don't think they brought enough to hide thousands of troops from fire from elevated position. As such using monsters as cover if, as you claim, doing so would make monsters less efficient is counterproductive. Because it would not meaningfully reduce effectiveness of our fire .
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...That lack of absolute coverage doesnt matter?

That just means only.their "best" troops would get the luxury of ablative armor...which is situation normal for the Druchii?

Like that's just how they fight. They're always going to value their slaves and war beasts less than their own lives. Forcing that trade is, again, advantageous for us since they assume that theyll be the ones left standing to enjoy the payoff. Which is why theyll make it.

Forced errors are how you accumulate advantage in a fight in progress. The more you force your enemy to commit, the closer you get to victory

That's common sense.
 
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You know I wonder if this "Caledor's Bane" with whom we made a shish kebab will have an active bounty un Ulthuan...

Even if we have to divide the bounty between three it would be a nice extra to have...
 
[X] Like Cordwood, Stack Terror

Not sure how closely the tactic tracks from the games to this quest's game system but when you're facing a large amount of monsters in TWWH2, with non-expendable infantry accompaniment, often the best way to win is to snipe vulnerable generals, and then kill the infantry as fast as possible for moral damage.

If the Khaine worshipping forces were actually in control of one of the arcs, I would be more concerned, because they have access to ways to make their troops fight to the death, and a religious inclination to use them.
But what we actually have now is an uncemented emergency leader in the smaller Black Arc, and Grond sorceresses commanding the other arc, who can't use magic to keep their troops in line without opposition from Sunweaver's daughter's contingent.

If the leaders aren't in their black arcs, then there's always the possibility of the Druchi who are still on the arcs, deciding to make a grab for power, and leave the humans to cover up their treachery.
The real issue to me, is the question of whether they think they'll be able to survive retreating against humans after getting home.
If they're going to die either way, I think we can rely on Druchi to be as immediately spiteful as possible.
 
So first of all, hats off to Venomfang, who managed to live through getting disemboweled from crotch to cloaca and then continue dogfighting a griffon.

Hats off to Freddy as well, I think that this is one of the few battles against a hero unit that didn't end with Freddy being barely alive.

Aside from that side, Maranith's execution was pretty damn brutal, and I'm surprised at both Kerillian's glee at holding the guy still and Freddy's willing to do it. I guess they really fucking hated the guy huh?

torroar said:
(Chain Crash: 80-20+11+Power Stones(5)+Ledstali Boost(10)=86/100)
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Natasha's armor has power stones? That's pretty impressive on Alexandra's part.

torroar said:
"BAMPOT-AIKIT-DOA-GOM-…!"
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Anyone know what this is supposed to mean?

torroar said:
What follows next is a brutal exchange of blows, knocking and slamming against one another with absolute brutality.
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This is sentence seems a little redundant.

[X] Like Cordwood, Stack Terror

The most important part of the Druchii army are the Druchii, and they'll break once they start taking "real" loses.
 
TehChron said:
I'm confused.

I already spelled out my problem is that our goal is to survive this fight. The Druchiis wincons only.intersect with ours by virtue of the fact that they deliberately seek to inflict unalive upon us.

That means we need them to leave. And pushing the Druchii to the point where it's not worth sticking around more quickly becomes the more effective strategy to pursue.

We need to make the situation for the Druchii untenable without weakening ourselves overly much in the process. That means employing our strength against their weakness.

Their weakness is manpower. Our strength is mass bombardment.

Their weakness is having to leave cover to enter their preferred fighting range. Our strength is the ample defenses keeping them at ours.

And since we are not so well off as to afford to ignore those advantages for a more luxurious and costly approach, prudence demands we exploit those advantages we possess to secure victory.
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And we are at risk of losing our advantage if we allow the druchii artillery to blast away at our artillery and other troops on the battlements uncontested.
 
Altom said:
And we are at risk of losing our advantage if we allow the druchii artillery to blast away at our artillery and other troops on the battlements uncontested.
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You're saying you have a way forward without any inherent risk or danger, then?

Because one hasnt been presented yet, and I strongly suspect such a thing doesnt exist in this scenario. It's too chaotic for that.

No matter what we do we face some manner of risk of losing our artillery. The fact of the matter is that so long as that third and final Dragon Rider is alive our artillery is in on a time limit.

As we dont have any assets assigned towards keeping it occupied (and even when we did) it's going to have free reign to attack our artillery teams so long as it's on the battlefield

Assuming you can maintain that advantage without resolving.that threat first is a mistake.

Thus we press as hard as possible to exploit those advantages while we have the chance.
 
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TehChron said:
You're saying you have a way forward without any inherent risk or danger, then?

Because one hasnt been presented yet, and I strongly suspect such a thing doesnt exist in this scenario. It's too chaotic for that.
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No, i don't. There is no such way. However to my mind suppressing druchii's artillery and thus allowing our troops on the wall to fight at full effectiveness is a more reliable path to victory then just blasting away at their infantry and hoping to do enough damage before our guns are suppressed by counter-fire.
 
Two riders
Two fighters
Two men

By the end

They rode
They fought
And one was proved man
- Man and Bane, a short poem by the Caledorian poet Ilthalal
 
Altom said:
And we are at risk of losing our advantage if we allow the druchii artillery to blast away at our artillery and other troops on the battlements uncontested.
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Yea that's the rub with me see what happens when we leave the enemy artillery to do what they want with impunity? Do they make holes in our last wall? Destroy the gatehouses to let their troops through? Target our artillery to further reduce our damage output? Kill our men defending the tops of the wall when they bring in their ladders? I would much rather make sure we contest the enemy artillery to make sure none of this happens.
 
Altom said:
No, i don't. There is no such way. However to my mind suppressing druchii's artillery and thus allowing our troops on the wall to fight at full effectiveness is a more reliable path to victory then just blasting away at their infantry and hoping to do enough damage before our guns are suppressed by counter-fire.
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If you dont have an answer to the third dragon rider than this approach you're positing will never work.

Because then our artillery crews are going to be caught up in dueling the Druchii artillery right up until the Dragon Rider ENTERS again and wipes out another massive chunk of them before hes brought back under control

Better to exploit the advantage we possess before it reaches its sell by date and count on our walls to make up the difference while we still have it.

Edit: They can blow up our walls all they want, but if they lack the manpower to push through those vulnerabilities then that doesnt ultimately matter.
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
Anna von Hohenzollern after this battle is going to gain a reputation as an excellent military commander that no soldier will ever hope to fight under.
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I imagine mercenaries are going to be much less willing to accept a contract after they realize how they were used. Can't collect a paycheck if your dead. If enough of the companies leadership was wiped out the general result is either joining a new company or the far more likely, considering the specialized nature of these companies preventing easy assimilation, becoming bandits.

[X] Unleash the Martyrs, and Stand at the Gates!
 
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TehChron said:
If you dont have an answer to the third dragon rider than this approach you're positing will never work.

Because then our artillery crews are going to be caught up in dueling the Druchii artillery right up until the Dragon Rider ENTERS again and wipes out another massive chunk of them before hes brought back under control

Better to exploit the advantage we possess before it reaches its sell by date and count on our walls to make up the difference while we still have it.
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And your approach deals with the dragon... How exactly? More then that it also lets Druchii bomdard us in return with no reprisal. If you are so afraid of the dragon that you are considering our artillery to be dead men walking you should dedicate more troops to clearing the air, so that when said dragon shows up, our pegasi/Oskana can engage straight away and keep him off our guns, not just blindly hope that we can hit some arbitrary number of casualties that would make them retreat regardless of anything.
 
It matches for them too, in that sense.

Every bolt thrower trying to suppress our artillery is one less softening the walls until the Khainites close in to do Glorious Melee, and they'd be hesitant to risk shooting them in the back (I assume they like having skin).

If I were them, I'd be using my artillery as shard throwers to hammer our archers and pikes and burn my last chaff as a living mantlet. After all, the latter would just get in my way to do Glorious Melee for Khaine when we get there regardless.

Altom said:
And your approach deals with the dragon... How exactly?
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It deals ('deals') with the dragon by treating our artillery park as Already Dead, and so not bothering to defend them compared to maximising their use in as short a time as possible.
 
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