Warhammer Fantasy: A Dynasty of Dynamic Alcoholism

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torroar said:
The thought that it [mined Flagellants] would seem far more Frederick-made/heartily endorced rather than Frederick-allowed after Anna came up with it is not unreasonable. However, it does follow from that point that - and as myself, I can say this with certainty - Anna would be able to logically come to the same conclusion, based on the expressions of her parents. As such, it is entirely within the bounds of possibility that she would afterwards make sure that her parents knew to publicize the fact that she came up with it and then to utilize Frederick's inadvertent/semi-passive influence over the Cult of Sigmar and the greater Empire to de-emphasize use of Flagellants in such a manner.

But overall, she is intellectually capable of realizing, now that she's actively utilizing the Emotion Encyclopedia, that her father might not enjoy the idea of widespread proliferation of such a tactic, and would be willing to fully take on the heat for it. After all, it's not like she's capable of caring what most other people think.
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Very glad to hear this, but just as our own chief Ulrican advisor has shown, not all members of the cults are of the same mind, and some are willing to sacrifice and/or drive others to sacrifice for ends that do not strictly cause benefit in the long run.

torroar said:
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This is because, from Anna's perspective, the usage of Flagellants in general is a failure of resource management. Clearly, they should be seconded away to Shallyan asylums, carefully managed by those capable of it in fields they could still provide use in, such as agriculture or something similar. They are, again, wholly worthless to her as combatants, whereas she believes that they could be of more use if their instability could either be ameliorated or at least suppressed somewhat through various means. Not all priests, for instance, need to be Warrior Priests, and the Shallyans could use volunteers capable of that strange thing called 'compassion' due to experiencing troubles themselves, especially with the work she's put into creating at least crude but functional prosthetics. So on and so forth.
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Again, much appreciated insight. This still runs into the problem though that most people aren't necessarily going to understand this bit as part of her thought process, even if it is published at length, unless a significant effort like a diplo action is put into seeing that the full thought process. Even then, not everyone who would potentially copy-cat these suicide flagellants will agree with or care about the details of her thoughts and motivations, just the results.

I for one like debating the choice, it fits well in a grimdark world. I'd also like the payoff of Freddy realizing the broader implications of what he commands or condones as a champion of Sigmar. Feels like a nice narrative choice after the debacle that was sicking the witch hunters on the priest of Manann.
 
"Plus drinking all that super magic berry wine in Athel Loren," Urgdug speaks up, ticking off his fingers, "Drinking an Ancestor God's brew. Wearing the Light of Summer almost all the time whether awake or asleep. Drinking the most fortifying dwarf brews daily. Going through the World-Roots that one time. Plus the-," he starts pointing between you and Natasha before you thump him in the thigh hard enough to crack a human's skull. "Oh, right."
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Meanwhile, Roland's eyebrows have done their best to climb to the roof of his head.

"It seems you have been up to a lot since we last saw one another."
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So that's what we looked like hearing of Roland and Johanna's pre-quest adventures.
 
[X] Plan: Defence in Depth + Allow
-[X] Allow Anna:
-[X] No:
-[X] Call North:
--[X] Call Knights of the North, Star Knights, Raven Knights of Morr/Black Guard of Morr
 
Hmm I would say of we are gonna make suicide bombers we should split them up have some flaggelents bog down the dark elves then send in bomb people less initial damage more sustained i feel.
 
[X] Plan: Defence in Depth + Allow

Aiel said:
Hmm I would say of we are gonna make suicide bombers we should split them up have some flaggelents bog down the dark elves then send in bomb people less initial damage more sustained i feel.
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The first two ranks are as normal. Literal ablative armour for the ones behind- hopefully the slowest and least intact.

After this, I wonder if we should publicly seek penance for sacrificing flagellants for our cause. Even if no one else thinks it wrong, it would let us use our religious influence to make clear we, Frederick the Slayer Count, brave and noble defender of the north, thinks that flagellants shouldn't be a military resource, but people we should take care of.
 
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Shine said:
After this, I wonder if we should publicly seek penance for sacrificing flagellants for our cause.
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Torrar said Anna would take the hit.
torroar said:
Anna would be able to logically come to the same conclusion, based on the expressions of her parents. As such, it is entirely within the bounds of possibility that she would afterwards make sure that her parents knew to publicize the fact that she came up with it and then to utilize Frederick's inadvertent/semi-passive influence over the Cult of Sigmar and the greater Empire to de-emphasize use of Flagellants in such a manner.

This is because, from Anna's perspective, the usage of Flagellants in general is a failure of resource management. Clearly, they should be seconded away to Shallyan asylums, carefully managed by those capable of it in fields they could still provide use in, such as agriculture or something similar. They are, again, wholly worthless to her as combatants, whereas she believes that they could be of more use if their instability could either be ameliorated or at least suppressed somewhat through various means. Not all priests, for instance, need to be Warrior Priests, and the Shallyans could use volunteers capable of that strange thing called 'compassion' due to experiencing troubles themselves, especially with the work she's put into creating at least crude but functional prosthetics. So on and so forth.

But overall, she is intellectually capable of realizing, now that she's actively utilizing the Emotion Encyclopedia, that her father might not enjoy the idea of widespread proliferation of such a tactic, and would be willing to fully take on the heat for it.
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[X] Plan: Defence in Depth + Allow
-[X] Allow Anna
-[X] No:
-[X] Call North:
--[X] Call Knights of the North, Star Knights, Raven Knights of Morr/Black Guard of Morr
 
[X] Plan: Defence in Depth + Allow
-[X] Allow Anna
-[X] No:
-[X] Call North:
--[X] Call Knights of the North, Star Knights, Raven Knights of Morr/Black Guard of Morr
 
torroar said:
The soup tank's usage can be taught to some halfling volunteers. There is a much higher risk of damage/explosions etc. though due to lack of experienced engineering personnel.

The...ah, actually, yeah, the Ironblaster, no. The Ironblaster requires dedicated engineering personnel. My bad, ya'll, shoulda caught that one.
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Will change plan then, thanks for pointing that out.

There a reason we are not calling on Bull Warriors? Why North Star?

[X] Plan: Defence in Depth + Allow
 
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inukai44 said:
Torrar said Anna would take the hit.
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It's --
Shine said:
The point isn't that other people think that we sinned.
The point is to say that we think we sinned, and hence, we think this behaviour is sinful and shouldn't be readily repeated.
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yeah, basically that.

It's Freddy going "Okay, this was done under my eyes or oversight, even if the idea didn't come from me. But I don't like it, and I don't think people should copy this or be inspired by this, so I'm going to do a penance over this, to show my sorrow and contriteness over the whole thing."

If you're making hard choices -- which are defined as being choices that are hard, or which cause you some anguish or doubt or regret -- is that they're not just things you go "Well, shrug, it was the best idea at the time so I don't really regret it/don't really see it as a big deal?" over. If we do think that extraordinary times call for extraordinary measures and that we wouldn't do this against other foes too, and if we are going to wind up doing it (vote's looking that way which, ah well, not what I wanted, but, well) then, well... the clean-up afterward and choices and decisions afterward should probably keep that in mind. Rather than just shrugging and going on with life or something.

Though, we're also probably going to also be doing a lot of other religious actions in the aftermath too.

That is, the whole, uh, "Wow we just lost a big portion of our province again, even if not quite as bad as the Vampire War" thing we're going to have and be dealing with. (Unless it's actually gonna be bigger than the Vampire War.) We're probably going to be doing a lot of mourning, and a lot of burying, and a lot of saying prayers over graves, and a lot of comforting and being comforted.

There's probably going to be a lot of praying and putting up of churches of the various gods and also of Gardens of Morr, basically. (And then probably a sweeping through of places to make sure people haven't been broken by the experience and despair and turned to Chaos or something. Because it's Warhammer baby.)
 
For public, personal penance, I think we could just devote a personal action to take a sabbatical. Using our theological staff seems excessive, not when word of mouth will do the job for us.
 
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