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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment

[X] Plan Mostly Work Ninja Village

[X] Plan: Slow and Steady with Ninja Village
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (specify how much: 2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] Attempt to bring an organisation into the Waystone Project (The Jade Order)
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
-[X] Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Write a paper: Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the western Great Steppes

Ninja Village plan that also has the AV action. Personally, I'm more interested in the Alrick storyline than setting up a shadow headquarters. But I think either of them would be fun to do, so I'm happy with both of them. And since I won't support not doing one (1) fun action, here's a plan variant I'm ok approval voting for.

Edit: Turns out, this was identical to an earlier plan. Whoops. Voting for that one as well, hopefully we can get it straightened out.
 
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Derpmind said:
Ninja Village plan that also has the AV action. Personally, I'm more interested in the Alrick storyline than setting up a shadow headquarters. But I think either of them would be fun to do, so I'm happy with both of them. And since I won't support not doing one (1) fun action, here's a plan variant I'm ok approval voting for.
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This is identical to:
picklepikkl said:
[X] Plan Mostly Work Ninja Village
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul.
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm.
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Jade Order) (The Gambler)
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] SERENITY: Write a paper: Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the Western Great Steppes
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
-[X] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Set Coin to The Gambler: Attempt to bring Jade Order into project
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[X] Plan All Work Ninja Village
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul. (NEW)
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm. (NEW)
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project (NEW)
-[X] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Jade Order) (The Gambler)
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (The Ward of Frost)
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] FREE Write a paper: Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the Western Great Steppes
-[X] FREE EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
-[X] FREE Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Set Coin to The Gambler: Attempt to bring Jade Order into project
 
Awww. No plan with Apparation binding.

[X] Plan Redshirt v2 with AV
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project
-[x] Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
--[X] The Gambler: Attempt to bring the Jade Order into the Waystone Project
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushrooms Book (1/2)
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into Talabecland administration to start gathering their secrets
-[x] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
 
I'm not sure what the appeal of setting up a shadow HQ in the fief is. It's very far out of the way and any travelers will be noticed. If the HQ's supposed to be inconspicuous, it should go in a major city, where people coming and going won't be noticed. The underground palace (iirc nobody's using it still?) would be far better, but so would, just... anywhere in Wurtbad.

I'm also not sold on recruiting the Lights before the whole Alric mess dies down. I think all the current plans include that, though.
 
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[X] Plan: Slow, Steady And Divinely Empowered Wins The Race
 
Darth Crater said:
I'm also not sold on recruiting the Lights before the whole Alric mess dies down. I think all the current plans include that, though.
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Mine doesn't! (Slow, Steady And Divinely Empowered Wins The Race) for exactly that reason. Though a lot of people argued that the whole mess makes this the perfect time to recruit them, hence it's inclusion in most of the big votes.
 
[X] Plan All Work Ninja Village
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul. (NEW)
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm. (NEW)
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project (NEW)
-[X] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Jade Order) (The Gambler)
-[X] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (The Ward of Frost)
-[X] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] FREE Write a paper: Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the Western Great Steppes
-[X] FREE EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
-[X] FREE Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
-[X] Set Coin to The Gambler: Attempt to bring Jade Order into project
 
Boney said:
Not to get all Das Kapital, but money doesn't actually make things happen, labour makes things happen, and when you're talking about this sort of scale there's only so much of it available at any given time and after that it's all zero sum.
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Well yes you're right there would be an inflationary problem, and the spending of Dwarf gold would have to be limited with that in mind, but I don't think it's completely zero sum. Some things the labor can be spent on are more productive than other things and money chooses what the labor is spent on. Say masons can spend their time building a new road to Kislev or building Marquis Ludwig a second palace in the capital. One is going to make merchants, soldiers, messengers and other kinds of labor more productive for years and the other isn't. If Estalian or Tilean mercenary companies spend their time fighting each other Order/Humanity doesn't really gain anything but if they were poached to go secure an Imperial forest for settlement then there might be a new town at the end of it. Then the Dwarf Bank collects the usual merchant/noble's return and invests that back into industry, reinforcing the growth cycle.

Inflation usually works out as a pretty regressive tax though so yeah, probably not a great idea for the average citizen of the Empire unless you have an equally great plan on how to use the capital to benefit them. Might still be useful if you can export the inflation to safer or more prosperous countries like Estalia and Tilea. Send them useless gold, buy soldiers, weapons and tools, invest that in developing something productive like Imperial farmland or a mine in Kislev and effectively they're being tricked into subsidizing the frontline nations against Chaos.

All that said if you could convince Dwarf bankers/industrialists to strategically invest in the Empire you'd probably get more out of sending trainers and advisors or straight up building infrastructure personally. An architect managing human fortress building or an engineer getting human gong factories up to standard probably multiplies the human labor with their expertise. The canal shows us how impactful Dwarvern megaprojects can be for the Human economy, and they don't kill nearly so many Dwarves as war would. A workers for soldiers exchange where Dwarvern labor frees up and better equips more numerous Human soldiers might have the same effect as loosing the gold mountains on the world without the inflationary spiral.

But the waystone project is the focus right now so all that's completely academic.
 
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Briefvoice said:
Boney just answered on the usefulness:
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Boney said:
It gives the Hochlander an out-of-the-way base of operations to do the sorts of things that require a base of operations. Large-scale information-gathering, recruitment, training, that sort of thing.
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While that does sound potentially useful I would far rather have it in the sunken palace than the fief. Being in a major city is infinitely more convenient than being in some postage-stamp village miles from anywhere.

2. FROM A META LEVEL, people seem really interested in our Fief!
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No. A tiny, if vocal, minority are interested in looking at the fief. Most of the voters want the potted cactus to remain a potted cactus.

Tasoli said:
Awww. No plan with Apparation binding.
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If there are no plans with what you want then make a new one.
 
Making plans for recruiting elves before humans, since they would be more willing to wait before go time. With two versions for the EIC action because I'm indecisive.

[X] Plan: Elves first, Talabec
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn)
-[x] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of Frost)
-[x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushrooms Book (1/2)
-[X] EIC: Insert agents into Talabecland administration to start gathering their secrets
-[x] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic

[X] Plan: Elves first, Ninja
-[X] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul
-[X] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm
-[X] EGRIMM: Attempt a Windherder enchantment with Egrimm (Ring of Sudden Dawn)
-[x] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (Ward of Frost)
-[x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (Laurelorn-grade)
-[X] Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic
-[X] SERENITY: Windsoak Mushrooms Book (1/2)
-[X] EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
-[x] KAU: Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic

The Windherding enchantment:
Jyn Ryvia said:
So as I would like an range enchantment that isn't 'better gun' I present:

The Ring of Sudden Dawn (Take No Heed or Cloak Activity/Radiant Gaze)

'A ring of twisted black and white metal coloured strands of metal with a cat-eye jewel in the centre, for some odd reason no one seems to notice that the owner is wearing it, even as it is being lined up for a shot: that is, until after the laser of light is already coming for them.'

one auto-surprise attack, even in the middle of a fight, unless they pass some sort of passive perception check on the 'don't look at me ring'.
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[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment
[X] Plan Redshirt v2 with AV
[X] Plan Mostly Work Ninja Village
[x] Plan: Slow and Steady with windherding.
[X] Plan: Papers Please
[X] Plan: Maximum MAX
 
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[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment

The fief sounds like a terrible place for a shadow headquarter, increased traffic to a no name village would be very obvious and if the Grey college affiliation with the EIC is not secret enough for another mechant guild to send a representative all the way to K8P then every other spy network in the region would know what Mathilde is doing.
 
[x] Plan All Work Ninja Village
- [x] MAX: Use kitting out his workshop as a pretext to get to know House Miriel and the local Cult of Vaul. (NEW)
- [x] JOHANN: Train with and study the freshly-attached golden arm. (NEW)
- [x] EGRIMM: Attempt to bring the Light Order into the Waystone Project (NEW)
- [x] Attempt to bring an Order into the Waystone Project (Jade Order) (The Gambler)
- [x] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (The Ward of Frost)
- [x] Furnish the research spaces of the Waystone Project HQ (2000gc for Laurelorn-grade)
- [x] FREE Write a paper: Observations on the Chaos Wastes in the Western Great Steppes
- [x] FREE EIC: Have the Hochlander set up a shadow headquarters for the EIC in your fief.
- [x] FREE Seek official recognition of Kron-Azril-Ungol as an affiliated library of the Colleges of Magic
- [x] Set Coin to The Gambler: Attempt to bring Jade Order into project
[x] Plan Mostly Work Ninja Village
 
[X] Plan: Slow and Steady Research with Double Recruitment
[X] Plan Redshirt v2 with AV
[X] Plan Mostly Work Ninja Village
[x] Plan: Slow and Steady with windherding.
 
Briefvoice said:
I admit, I'm also rather disappointed that "create a Shadow EIC HQ" is getting such little play.

Yeah, sure, sending spies to Tabecland might produce something... but it's hardly urgent or anything. Not a pressing need. This seems like a decent turn to finally do the Shadow HQ thing when there's no other hot issue on the table for an EIC action. If not now, when? Do people just not want to do it ever?
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Speaking for myself, I'd only want to do that if we checked in on the fief before/during the turn we make that decision, to make sure we're not looking to undertake this serious change to the fief while something has happened to it with us unaware.
 
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