Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Resonant
Procrastinator Supreme
Some typo-hunting for the latest update @Boney:
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
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Philosophy
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
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NeonLights
Formerly Reliable_2IC
- Location
- In shambles
- Location
- United States
- Pronouns
- He/Him
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
kfrar
Aspiring Encyclopedia
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
I just want my Definitely Not Ranald books.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
I just want my Definitely Not Ranald books.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Yeah, but if you sort it like that it's a mess because one of the Purchase votes was written with a broken bracket.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
Loec, pleas. And wow, on the one hand I can totally see getting Elven textiles as useful and interesting even outside Mathilde's particular interest—it pays a bit back to the Karak, at least—but on the other I'm still kinda surprised it's winning over every other option. Except for their basic history, anyways.
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
Loec, pleas. And wow, on the one hand I can totally see getting Elven textiles as useful and interesting even outside Mathilde's particular interest—it pays a bit back to the Karak, at least—but on the other I'm still kinda surprised it's winning over every other option. Except for their basic history, anyways.
- Location
- Earth
Library Purchases:
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Dwarves of the Karaz Ankor
Eonir definitely a safe pick, but while I appreciate textiles over geography, that isn't really what I think we should ask for. They are elves. Ask for something elven:
Let's see what the Elves know and think of dwarves from their perspective, their culture and history. This stuff reaches back thousands of years. Let's see how Laurelon sees dwarves. That might be relevant soon. And in what they write us, we shall see how good elven diplomacy is. Such a library will help Mat with dealing and knowing those opposed to cooperation with dwarves. Having a list of people who were there and nobles who might have lost family in the War of Vengance might be helpful to ongoing diplomatic efforts.
And since it will all be in Eltharin, we might not have to worry about any Grudges from it, for a while. This stuff is going to come out eventually if someone like Mat doesn't find it and bury it first.
Dwarf Favour Purchases:
@Boney How about something like this:
[X] [DWARF] Consult between Wilhelmina and the EIC, and the Engeneering Guilds of the holds of the near Empire Worlds Edge Mountains, like Zulfbar and Karak Kadrin. Ask if the Dwarves of those holds need more saltpeter. Offfer to negotiate/arrange for additional supply of Dwarf Quality Niter/Saltpeter through the EIC buying out and organizing more Gong Farmers and Saltpeter of sufficient quality, and supplying the dwarves with it. (TLDR: See if there is intrest to expand the existing trade route, either in weight of goods, or scope to include more holds)
It's high time Mat starts using these in the way it was meant to be used. As a dwarf that contributes to the system. This is very much a Win-Win-Win situation that Mat can make come about that even the Grey Order can't grumble about, because it's not about money, it's about giving dwarves more gunpowder. Mat just has to be careful to leave enough for local needs in Stirland and Sylvania.
I'd think this would be the "explore/set up" action, which would be then followed later by an EIC action to set it all up, once the dwarves approved of the idea.
The action order suggested being:
1) Float idea for interest among dwarves -favor action
2)Get EIC to buy/establish more Gong Farmers -EIC action
3) Create more EIC dwarf backed Niter production sites - EIC and Favor Action
4) Establish new trade lanes. - EIC Action, though maybe not one Mat needs to make herself. This is more for Wilhelmina.
5) Everyone Wins
Does that sound doable, or would it be going backwards? Does it take a different kind of action to check for intrest over more niter among EIC adjacent dwarven holds?
Because I'm pretty sure that once the idea is up and running, or being built, asking the dwarves for a favor to set up the niter factor to their standards after having a clear and present need for more niter from a nearby dwarven Engeneering Guild won't be a problem. If I understand how the new dwarf favor system works.
College Favour Purchases:
[X] [COLLEGE] Inquire about a Demon Banishing artifact from the Hysh College. Like the one used on you when you dropped Quickish for Demon-checking. Having one, either on you, or in the Library/College Branch so you can check someone suspicious if you really need to isn't paranoia, it's just good sense. Sooner or later, some Chaos Demon is going to try something. You'd rather be ready for it, with what you're working on and the enemies you've made.
Other Purchases
[X] [PURCHASE] Mundane Lab equipment for the Laurelon Lab. It will be much easer to set up if you are just moving it, instead of trying to build it on the spot. You do not want a repeat of Wizard Chic. Hire a temporary warehouse for it at a convenient location near Laurelorn so you don't have to ship it all the way from K8Ps when you have the rooms ready.
The last one might be premature, but might as well, right? I figure Mat would have done this anyway when we vote for setting up the lab, but getting stuff lined up in advance shouldn't hurt and it might help.
Approval voting on this as well:
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Dwarves of the Karaz Ankor
Eonir definitely a safe pick, but while I appreciate textiles over geography, that isn't really what I think we should ask for. They are elves. Ask for something elven:
Let's see what the Elves know and think of dwarves from their perspective, their culture and history. This stuff reaches back thousands of years. Let's see how Laurelon sees dwarves. That might be relevant soon. And in what they write us, we shall see how good elven diplomacy is. Such a library will help Mat with dealing and knowing those opposed to cooperation with dwarves. Having a list of people who were there and nobles who might have lost family in the War of Vengance might be helpful to ongoing diplomatic efforts.
And since it will all be in Eltharin, we might not have to worry about any Grudges from it, for a while. This stuff is going to come out eventually if someone like Mat doesn't find it and bury it first.
Dwarf Favour Purchases:
@Boney How about something like this:
[X] [DWARF] Consult between Wilhelmina and the EIC, and the Engeneering Guilds of the holds of the near Empire Worlds Edge Mountains, like Zulfbar and Karak Kadrin. Ask if the Dwarves of those holds need more saltpeter. Offfer to negotiate/arrange for additional supply of Dwarf Quality Niter/Saltpeter through the EIC buying out and organizing more Gong Farmers and Saltpeter of sufficient quality, and supplying the dwarves with it. (TLDR: See if there is intrest to expand the existing trade route, either in weight of goods, or scope to include more holds)
It's high time Mat starts using these in the way it was meant to be used. As a dwarf that contributes to the system. This is very much a Win-Win-Win situation that Mat can make come about that even the Grey Order can't grumble about, because it's not about money, it's about giving dwarves more gunpowder. Mat just has to be careful to leave enough for local needs in Stirland and Sylvania.
I'd think this would be the "explore/set up" action, which would be then followed later by an EIC action to set it all up, once the dwarves approved of the idea.
The action order suggested being:
1) Float idea for interest among dwarves -favor action
2)Get EIC to buy/establish more Gong Farmers -EIC action
3) Create more EIC dwarf backed Niter production sites - EIC and Favor Action
4) Establish new trade lanes. - EIC Action, though maybe not one Mat needs to make herself. This is more for Wilhelmina.
5) Everyone Wins
Does that sound doable, or would it be going backwards? Does it take a different kind of action to check for intrest over more niter among EIC adjacent dwarven holds?
Because I'm pretty sure that once the idea is up and running, or being built, asking the dwarves for a favor to set up the niter factor to their standards after having a clear and present need for more niter from a nearby dwarven Engeneering Guild won't be a problem. If I understand how the new dwarf favor system works.
College Favour Purchases:
[X] [COLLEGE] Inquire about a Demon Banishing artifact from the Hysh College. Like the one used on you when you dropped Quickish for Demon-checking. Having one, either on you, or in the Library/College Branch so you can check someone suspicious if you really need to isn't paranoia, it's just good sense. Sooner or later, some Chaos Demon is going to try something. You'd rather be ready for it, with what you're working on and the enemies you've made.
Other Purchases
[X] [PURCHASE] Mundane Lab equipment for the Laurelon Lab. It will be much easer to set up if you are just moving it, instead of trying to build it on the spot. You do not want a repeat of Wizard Chic. Hire a temporary warehouse for it at a convenient location near Laurelorn so you don't have to ship it all the way from K8Ps when you have the rooms ready.
The last one might be premature, but might as well, right? I figure Mat would have done this anyway when we vote for setting up the lab, but getting stuff lined up in advance shouldn't hurt and it might help.
Approval voting on this as well:
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
BagFullOfLizards
Some bag, mostly lizards
- Location
- A bag
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Karaz Ankor
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Karaz Ankor
- Pronouns
- They
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
[x] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[x] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols
[x] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[x] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
@Boney Are there any non-magic related Dwarven books that we currently own but that for whatever reason shouldn't be placed into a public library open to "all goodly folk"? Or at least not in the non-restricted section?
Also, what's the deal with the Skaven books, be it the translated or not translated versions? Like, how is the Conspiracy of Silence even treated among Karag Nar residents and Karag Nar visitors?
Also, what's the deal with the Skaven books, be it the translated or not translated versions? Like, how is the Conspiracy of Silence even treated among Karag Nar residents and Karag Nar visitors?
This new tally system is kicking my butt figuring out how to make it work.
For instance, when I divide votes by line the "[] [PURCHASE] No purchase." votes are vanishing completely.
EDIT: Also, a reminder we are running short on money when you take into account the cost to outfit a laboratory, and buying extra books with our own funds is a bad move. Just wanted to mention that because I know a lot of people have stopped checking Mathilde's funds and just sort of assume she has infinite money.
For instance, when I divide votes by line the "[] [PURCHASE] No purchase." votes are vanishing completely.
EDIT: Also, a reminder we are running short on money when you take into account the cost to outfit a laboratory, and buying extra books with our own funds is a bad move. Just wanted to mention that because I know a lot of people have stopped checking Mathilde's funds and just sort of assume she has infinite money.
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- Location
- Earth
I think we have to use divide by task for this one.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Not just divide by task, but also check through the [PURCHASE] tab manually and add the results of the Default tab to it.
- Location
- Academy City
- Pronouns
- They
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen
Codex
Fantasy Addict
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Mathilde has roughly 4k GC. Borek isn't going to be asking for his money back and the legal snarl has been said to likely take decades of loremasters working together to work it out. That means, assuming we put aside some money for the 2k price next turn, we have 2k GC and an income of 175 gc per turn that could fluctuate based on profits (a reminder we started with like 50 GC income from the EIC so we tripled our income over the years). We don't have infinite money, but it's not like we have a ton of stuff to spend on aside from books. We paid for the house, we're gonna pay for the lab, employment costs for WEB-MAT is handled by the Colleges, Fief pays for itself, Belegar is paying for library construction. We use Favors to buy most of our stuff now.
dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
- Location
- The Land Where The Sunflowers Bloom
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Geography of Laurelorn
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Geography of Laurelorn
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Loec, Romance. (350g)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
- Location
- Earth
Hmm. I'm not sure about those numbers, so let's show the math. According to the character sheet:
Mathilde has 1350 ducats, 1907 crowns, and 1261 coins.
Exchange rates: 1 ducat = 0.95 crowns, 1 coin = 1.3 crowns
1350 ducats * 0.95 crowns/ducat = 1282.5 crowns
1261 coins * 1.3 crowns/coin = 1639.3 crowns.
1282.5+1639.3+1907 = 4828.8 crowns
The total comes out to 4828.8 crowns, which is quite a hefty sum!
If we want to be conservative, then Borek's debt at 2000 coins measures out to 2600 crowns, so assuming we keep enough to pay that off in reserve, that leaves 4828.8 - 2600 = 2228.8 crowns to spend freely.
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Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
And even if someone came by to claim Borek's debt next week, we'd almost certainly be able to work out payments, I doubt it'd be "pay up in full, right now, or be grudged".
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
2000 of those are earmarked for the laboratory think turn. So that would be only 228.8gc left. That said, I agree with everyone who says that we shouldn't just put our 2600 debt money aside.
That said, I still don't think that we should just throw out 250-300gc out the window.
Honestly, who here doesn't want to have Elves transcribe all books on Hekarti, Hoeth and the other gods in the near future? If we want to do that, why would we spend 50gc each now just to get a +1 a turn earlier? Because the free action gives us somewhere between +2 and +5 each, but that doesn't stack with the +1 now. And we won't get our 50gc back either.
Ooh, I multiplied the Ducats by 0.9, not 0.95. My bad.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
Nearly 5000. Jeez, Mathilde is rich as all hell. And that's not even counting the technically belonging to her taxes from her fief.
Codex
Fantasy Addict
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- She/Her
Ok, assume the worst case scenario, and we spend quite a bit of money then someone, let's say Varek Varigsson (Borek's nephew, who is most likely a 30 year old boy), asks us to pay up right now. We can just... get a loan from a Dwarf bank or something. We know they exist, and worst comes to worst we ask Belegar for a loan. We then pay it back over time, as we have done with our debt to the College and our debt to the EIC. Dwarfs are even less likely to charge high interest rates, especially to Mathilde.
Even assuming the unlikely scenario where we get pressured into paying our debt after spending too much, it wouldn't be the end of the world.
Even assuming the unlikely scenario where we get pressured into paying our debt after spending too much, it wouldn't be the end of the world.