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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

This feels like cheating, but I'm sure Belegar will have a laugh if it works.
 
All my debts I bequeath on Malekith durr hurr.
Im joking of course, but my assumption was that while we can give any of our possessions to whoever we want, rules on Dwarven debt inheritance would be much more stringent and specific.

Possibilities I see:
A) It goes to a specific person whose inheritance we make conditional on accepting our debt in the will proper and said person does in fact accept as witnessed by a notary the Dwarves trust. This is conditional on us actually writing that into the will though so in case we don't, one of the below applies.
B) It goes to whoever inherited liquid cash from us proportional to the amount of cash they inherited.
C) It goes in full to whoever inherited whatever the Dwarves consider to be of the biggest monetary value.
D) It follows family lines and some peasants get royally fucked.
E) Mathilde was considered as adopted fully into her Guild as a Clanless and the Grey College inherits the debt before random blood ties.

The Rules say it goes to the Clan. There is nobody else in House Weber, so it would instead go to the King of her Karak. Which would be... Belegar? Roswita? Alric? Luitpold? Given how much of a headache that is, if Mathilde's will supplies a reasonable answer, that answer would be taken.

What category would those be in?

The Eonir of Laurelorn.

That said, @Boney , if we wanted to just buy basic books on spider silk weaving instead of the whole Mourning sortiment on textiles, could we do that with the [][PURCHASE] option? What would we have to write in? Textiles +1? Something more specific?
@Boney To rephrase: Would this be an acceptable write-in? What would be the total cost?

[][PURCHASE] Laurelorn books on Spider Silk Weaving translated into Reikspiel as a gift to the Viceroyalty of Karag Nar.
(Edit: Conditional on him sharing a copy with the K8P library once it opens).

Doing it this way around and getting all books on one specific deity instead seems much more sensible than doing it the other way around IMO.

Mathilde has no relevant expertise with which to winnow through the books on textiles. If you want to import Elven knowledge to try to crack the silk problem, you should go for the full Textiles +5. As for how, you don't need to specify the exact chain of custody for the books, if those books are bought I'll know what it's for and Mathilde can work out how to make it happen. So it's as simple as "[*][PURCHASE] Eonir Textiles", or any other combination of words that communicates that intent.

@Boney, would fixing that be a possible research avenue? We only have one soul, but we do have Wolf's soul which is somehow linked to ours. I don't know if the nature of the soul/mind link allows for this (or if it allows for Wolf to use Magesight - Wolf can use magic to speak but I don't know if he can actually see the Winds) but it seems like a valuable research avenue for someone as Windsight-focused as Mathilde!

Trying to invent binocular vision from scratch out of two connected but fundamentally different souls would be an incredibly difficult undertaking with only a handful of very niche benefits.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
 
Mathilde has no relevant expertise with which to winnow through the books on textiles.
I thought that maybe one of the transcribers might, for an extra fee. Hell, maybe there's spider silk weavers right here in Laurelorn, plying their trade.

Edit: But yeah, now I'm just overcomplicating what is supposed to be an abstraction on how books work in this quest.
 
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I thought that maybe one of the transcribers might, for an extra fee. Hell, maybe there's spider silk weavers right here in Laurelorn, plying their trade.

Edit: But yeah, now I'm just overcomplicating what is supposed to be an abstraction on how books work in this quest.

Maybe there is but we would have to spend an AP looking for them and that is really not worth it.
 
I thought that maybe one of the transcribers might, for an extra fee. Hell, maybe there's spider silk weavers right here in Laurelorn, plying their trade

Master weavers are not picking up odd jobs on the side, nor are they typically in the habit of undercutting their own business model. Just copying the books wouldn't be a problem, but announcing that she's doing so to break what might otherwise end up being a Eonir monopoly very easily could be.
 
rying to invent binocular vision from scratch out of two connected but fundamentally different souls would be an incredibly difficult undertaking with only a handful of very niche benefits.
So you're saying that if we really want MOAR WINDSIGHT, we technically can try to do this? :p

More seriously, I won't be voting for this because we already have multiple big research projects. Still, potentially providing even minor Windsight improvements to all the Grey wizards who have familiars and can learn our technique would IMO be worth it in the long run (if we succeed). Windsight is so good, and I feel bad for all the Wizards who aren't as good at Mathilde. She gets so much use out of it, it's insane!
Thanks for replying.
 
Looks like I picked the wrong evening to hang out late with friends, volunteer to give people rides home, and then collapse immediately upon getting home. Ah well, more to wake up to; this was a charming update.
consider he entire corpus of writings
he -> the
Well, if you are to avoid the mistakes of the past, then perhaps it is best to break entirely with the way they've done things. The philosophical exactitude of the division is irrelevant, what matters is whether it helps or hinders those looking for books on a specific topic. Any set of divisions will do as long as it is easily comprehended and is consistently and universally applied. All philosophical questions about the nature of knowledge and its most natural divisions can and must be disregarded, as you are not pursuing some abstract truth, you need a robust system of division for the books that exist here and now, in an imperfect world and written by imperfect beings.
This delights me. Mathilde is recognizing the distinction between taxonomy and ontology, and I really like how much it makes sense for her as a wizard of Ulgu: setting aside the pursuit of an ontology (a hard-and-fast truth written into the world itself) in favor of taxonomy (a categorization system that is socially constructed) feels right for a wizard of ambiguities and edge cases.
Magic, of course, will need to be its own section, as to do otherwise would be to run immediate afoul of the accords.
This sentence confuses me on two points: "immediate afoul" reads wrong to me, though it might just be a stylistic touch I've not encountered before, and should "accords" here be "Articles"?

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

This seems good to me; we get more information about the Eonir from their own perspective (helping us navigate their culture) and information about textile production (hopefully benefiting Karak Eight Peaks). Since the weaver guilds of the Karaz Ankor have boycotted Karak Eight Peaks, we need all the help we can get.

[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen

This is an alternate idea if people are really resistant to textiles as a topic; Beastmen are relevant to our interests for reasons of both Karag Dum and the Waystone project.

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)

I really like this idea.

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

No need and we don't have spare CF.

[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols

I agree with Andres that, while it's not going to be the best possible option for our ranged slot, we don't have a compelling reason not to put an order in at this time. It's strictly better than what we currently have at no cost but the expectation to keep killing enemies of the Karaz Ankor, so why not?
 
Maybe there is but we would have to spend an AP looking for them and that is really not worth it.
I guess allowing it to be done with a bounty system like when we acquired the dragonbone would open a whole can of worms where players start trying to replace all kinds of AP expenditures for gc, even if in this case it should be perfectly possible to tell a bunch of idle Elves that we'd give X gc to the first one to bring us a written copy of a manuscript with a comprehensive guide to spider silk weaving.

Truth be told, I can already see the counter-arguments, like various Elves trying to convince Mathilde that that book that other Elf brought is absolute hogwash and we should take theirs instead, with Mathilde's having no way to discern the validity of such claims (without AP expenditure). Or resentment by a bunch of lower class Elves who transcribed a whole book over months just to be pre-empted by a colleague on the bounty spiralling into a whole diplomatic incident.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.
 
[X] PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. (250g) - Guile K von Carstein zxzx24

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Laurelorn books on Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti, and Loec (300 gc) - kfrar Valmond zxzx24

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g) - Andres110 NuclearConsensus picklepikkl
So close, yet so far.

Also:
At this rate our grand library with be 40% romance by volume.
 
There's some kind of bug going on in the tally. "[] [PURCHASE] No purchase." (Edit: and "[COLLEGE] No purchase.") is not being counted. And I think that there are at least a few people other than me voting for that.

On the flip side, I think any purchase vote that includes all the stuff from another vote plus a few additional things should be counted towards the smaller set when compared to No purchase in the tally. It would be unfair to deny the players their basic holy books just because some of them also wanted some romance but couldn't be arsed to approval vote, even if I still think that in this case in particular basic +1 books on topics we want to expand for free on anyway is money thrown out the window.

On the third tentacle, Boney punishing lazy voting behavior so as to not make himself have to hand tally this stuff in all future votes would also be a fair action on his part. And who knows, maybe there are players whose stance on this is "You don't get your Elven pantheon if I don't get my Elven romance" :p.
 
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There's some kind of bug going on in the tally. "[] [PURCHASE] No purchase." (Edit: and "[COLLEGE] No purchase.") is not being counted. And I think that there are at least a few people other than me voting for that.
It works if you tally by task instead of by line; it shows the wrong task for some unknown reason (i.e. [DWARF] No purchase instead of college or purchase) but shows the right numbers and the right voters.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.

[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols

Makes sense to get something that will make the library stand out by getting those elven texts. If we're getting Elven texts may as well see if we can grab something of obvious and immediate use for everyone in the K8P to prove the value of the library and attract attention.


Somewhat related what's been done with the spider silk anyway? I recall Max was capable of making cloth and he's definitely no weaver so the proof of concept was up and running a while ago, but I also know they were having problems though. I can't recall what the actual problem with the weaving was, I think it was that the strands of the silk were already bound together in a thick thread which they couldn't then unwind into individual strands.

If that was the problem then there might have still been trade in the use of a thicker thread even if proper Cathay styles would remain out of reach. Silk sheets might not have been possible, but stab resistant silk knitwear would certainly be pretty enticing if available. I think there was also something about using the drag-line silk as rope as well.
 
If you want texts on spider silk weaving, might be best to vote for textiles instead, because it will involve spider silk stuff but not declare to everyone paying attention that we are interested in spider silk production.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Textiles
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Textiles

[x] [DWARF] Runed pistols

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
 
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[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Weaving Spider silk
[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.
[X] [DWARF] Runed pistols

@Boney, so, people have been saying that runing the pistols won't cost any Runesmith favor or anything- that is the case?
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Library of Mournings: name two non-magical topics to hire Cityborn scribes to copy all available Laurelorn books on.
-[X] Eonir of Laurelorn
-[X] Beastmen

[X] [PURCHASE] +1 Patron Gods of Laurelorn: Asuryan, Isha, Vaul, Hoeth, Hekarti. Eonir: Romance. (300g)
[X] [DWARF] No purchase.
 
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Looking at it, this is one of the weirdest 5d chess maneuvers Mathilde has made—founding a library, establishing a branch collage, initiating a joint research project with a foreign, isolationist polity, all just to get hold of some silk weaving manuals.

Betterment of the civilised realms, peace between man and elf, fighthing chaos—those are all secondary, a smokescreen for her true ambition: silk bedsheets.
 
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