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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Guile said:
Ranald: "I didn't tell her to do any such thing and you can't prove I ever did!"
Mathilde: "It was all for you, Ranald!"
Sigmar, /hefts hammer meaningfully.
Mathilde: "Ranald isn't scared of you!"
Ranald: "Mathilde, hon, please stop helping."
Heidi, /sneaks out the back.
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Mathile: "Go get him, Honey!"
Sigmar, /Muscles bulging as he prepares to swing hammer.
Ranald: ...Mathy... why?:sad:
Mathilde: Still mad you re-gifted the Mork Power to Heidi.:)
Sigmar: You should really treat a lady better than that, /Hammer comes down.
 
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New gray journeyman let's call him Luke... nah how about Duke Shadowwalker arrives at K8P and decides to have a quiet look around first. gets spotted my Mathilde in the control room of the tower while sitting in the command chair.

Mathilde uncharacteristically wearing flowing loose gray robes: "Ahhh Welcome young Shadowwalker. I'm looking forwards to completing your training. In time you will call me magister."

Journeyman: "You're Gravely mistaken. I'm Magister Gray's Journeyman."

Mathilde: "Oh no, my young Journeyman. You will find that it is you who are mistaken. About a great many things."

Johann with an upper respiratory infection: [hands Duke's wand to Palp... Mathilde] His wand.

Mathilde: AHH A wizard's weapon. Much like your father's..

Duke: (Confused) UH? but my father is a farmer."

Max leans in whispering "Stick to the script." "I don't have a copy." "What? You're a gray you were suspose to steal one before you got here, it was on the table when you came in marked confidential" "I'm not a thief."

Mathilde glaring: AHEM!!! [laughing] Perhaps you refer to the imminent attack of your Greenskin army? Yes, I assure you, we are quite safe from your friends here.

Duke: Oh yeah I was going to tell you about them com... HEY WAIT!! FRIENDS??!!! I'M NOT FRIENDS WITH AND STINKING GREENSKINS!!"

Max Whispering again: The script.

Mathilde looking annoyed: Everything that has transpired has done so, according to my design. Your friends, out there at the east gate, are walking into a trap, It was I who allowed the Black Orcs to know the Dwarfs would be fighting Skav... Rat beastmen. It is quite safe from your pitiful little band. An entire legion of Anton's best troops awaits them. [mockingly] Oh, I'm afraid the mercenary's will be quite in position when your friends arrive.

Duke whispering to Max: "Is she insane?" "Nah, just dramatic." "Are you sure?"

Mathilde interrupting the whispering: "Now witness the power of my fully armed and operational DEATH TOWER!!!"

*Polite clapping from the rest of the ducklings as she wipes out a greenskin army.*

Mathilde: Thank you. Thank you. I couldn't.... Well I did do it without you but your support is appreciated... Now Shadowwalker... Welcome to Karak Eight Peaks."
 
Kornet said:
Is it bad that once I saw it became the only thing I remembeerd of your plan?
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Did I go too far in my attempt to demonstrate the risks should our prisoner actually escape after we reveal our fictitious plan to destroy Skavenblight using secrets derived from Necromancy in an attempt to encourage them to do everything they can to survive captivity and get free?

Or is it that you're reading too far into the inference that Mathilde will likely be sleeping in her bedroom, and this will be an optimal time to strike for the literally thousands of assassins after us in this scenario?
 
Logos said:
Did I go too far in my attempt to demonstrate the risks should our prisoner actually escape after we reveal our fictitious plan to destroy Skavenblight using secrets derived from Necromancy in an attempt to encourage them to do everything they can to survive captivity and get free?

Or is it that you're reading too far into the inference that Mathilde will likely be sleeping in her bedroom, and this will be an optimal time to strike for the literally thousands of assassins after us in this scenario?
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My mind may have wandered into other reasons for an Eshin to be present in our bedroom. :oops:
 
Kornet said:
To a limit. Marienburg will still have a monopoly on elven trade.
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Marienburg only sort of has a monopoly. For one, people can still trade in Lothern, and for another the idea that one Elf Captain negotiated on behalf of all of Ulthuan is ridiculous. Plus we know the elves don't always obey the Phoenix Throne anyway in this quest so why would they all follow the treaty? The whole idea of the elves trading exclusively in Marienburg has always been a very silly one to me, as it makes no sense.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan no favour mines
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Total cost 100 + 150 + 100 = 350, 2 favours. Out of pocket: 50 gc, 0 favours


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[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Temple Prep
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] The Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Ranald: Bretonnian Extensive

[X] [LIBRARY] Focused Spending


[X] [TOWER] Ongoing

[X] [PURCHASE] No purchase.

[X] [COLLEGE] No purchase.


Nothing much to say about this vote, other than to thank the QM for giving us a Library Budget to play around with; which should hopefully discipline further Library Votes down the line. I have approval vote for Temple Prep, as an indication of my commitment to vote for plans with the Shrine to the Gambler next turn. I've also approved Focused Spending, Ulgu bonuses are nice. I would likely be campaigning hard for this, especially since I think the recent Edda social is a big hint we can't simply utterly ignore the Undumgi indefinitely. Get the Casino up, get the local EIC Eyes and Ears up, and we should be in a better position to intervene when any Undumgi crisis or dilemma eventually hits, which I have a feeling we are right now in the stage of Background rolling for, else Edda's inability to do more with the Undumgi than benign neglect won't be coming up again and again as an issue over the past year.

Plus, as I've said before, I'm certain alot of what's happening in the past six months has the blessings of Ranald the Gambler, the god of probability in it, hidden in the background even in-universe. Two sixes means that many small little things were occurring within the background which produced the outcome of Algard contributing those powerstones, and Kragg and Gunnar deciding to call in the power of Gazul to basically adopt what was originally an Umgi forged weapon into a monument to the power of the Ancestor gods. And we are almost certainly going to trust the hands of Ranald when we are going to go after our Queekish Lexicon next turn, so I think this is the most in-character time for Mathilde to build the shrine to the Gambler, since she's relying on divine intervention to get that game-changing Queekish Lexicon out.

Infact, I'm half a mind to see whether we can forward Casino funds to Fransesco or to Shallyan charities, in case he doesn't have much of an operating budget beyond dealing with the EIC. With more people besides the Undumgi flowing into the Eight Peaks continuously and the weaver migration onto Eight Peaks incoming, I think that the "we can always leave the shrine for next turn" mentality would mean it would eventually mean the benefits of a Casino shrine will be attenuated.

Basically, I won't be voting for a plan without the following five features

1. Ranald Shrine
2. 24/7 Tower Operation
3. Learn Invisibility
4. Queekish Lexicon
5. Deceiver Coin.


As for the next Social interlude:

1. Fief. I gave my word.
2. Fransesco. If we are going to build our info network in the EIC and bring in another wave of migrants in the form of weavers, we should touch base with Fransesco especially since he is an EIC asset.
3. Gunnar. It's an appropriate time after we've gotten the tower set up, especially since our proposal received Gazul's blessing. That, I believe is our in, since we are living next to a pillar of Gazul.
4. Gotri. I believe our attention may soon turn to the Underground front, so we probably should get some info here about Gotri's works. And his thoughts on manling armaments, if the Nuln purchase goes through.
5. Anything unique. Maybe Heidi if we get even further social-ins with our future sovereign and our senior as a Ranaldite Favored.
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
Marienburg only sort of has a monopoly. For one, people can still trade in Lothern, and for another the idea that one Elf Captain negotiated on behalf of all of Ulthuan is ridiculous. Plus we know the elves don't always obey the Phoenix Throne anyway in this quest so why would they all follow the treaty? The whole idea of the elves trading exclusively in Marienburg has always been a very silly one to me, as it makes no sense.
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Oh it does make sense once you understand that Marienburg is the only sea port in Empire worth the name. They would gladly trade in other places - but the other places in Empire are pretty insignificant, and Estalian/Tilean ports have trouble getting acess to Empire riverine trade network.


Barak Var doesn't change the pointbof entry of Ulthuan goods into Empite trade network, so Marienburg retains effective monopoly.

Unless using Tileans as middlemen between elf and dwarf trade networks ends up being cheaper.
 
[X] [LIBRARY] Plan: Temple Prep
-[X] Skaven: Dwarven Antiquarian
-[X] The Karaz Ankor: Imperial Esoteric, Bretonnian Extensive
-[X] Ranald: Bretonnian Extensive

Dwarven Esoteric: 100 gold, 2 dwarf favour
Imperial Esoteric: 150 gold
Bretonnian Extensive: 200 gold
Total expense: 450 gold, 2 dwarf favour
Out of pocket expense: 150 gold

We're gonna be upgrading the Shrine to a Temple, and since we got a Piety-related roll when we did the Shrine, we'll probably get another when we do the Temple. Getting more Ranald books in preparation for that would be good.
 
Man! I'm still beaming over the fact that Mathilde has made something that like literally every wizard going forward is going to learn.

Joining the illustrious ranks of petty/lesser magic makers who will eventually be forgotten, leading to people wondering why the hell there's an extra m and p on the simple Map spell everyone knows...
 
Kornet said:
Oh it does make sense once you understand that Marienburg is the only sea port in Empire worth the name. They would gladly trade in other places - but the other places in Empire are pretty insignificant, and Estalian/Tilean ports have trouble getting acess to Empire riverine trade network.


Barak Var doesn't change the pointbof entry of Ulthuan goods into Empite trade network, so Marienburg retains effective monopoly.

Unless using Tileans as middlemen between elf and dwarf trade networks ends up being cheaper.
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Sure, that makes sense if they only trade or largely trade with the Empire through Marienburg, but the canon is supposed to be that Marienburg is the only port in the whole Old World they trade through. Which is stupid. I'd expect them to trade in Praag and Kislev as well as L'Anguille and Brionne.
 
Does Marenberg have an absolute monopoly over the elf trade or just the elf trade in the empire/ northern coast of the old world? because if it's the latter, the EIC could easily set up an office in Tilea or Estalia and funnel Elf goods through Barak Var, and into the eastern and southern Empire.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Create a unique sword style for our abilities (I'm mah on this one. getting a master instructor would be quicker if we do go down this road.)
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Alternatively, we turn it into a bonding exercise with the duckings. Get their help enchanting our practice sword and sparring against them to both teach them better skills and to work out a new style out loud, and show them the thought process we use to get better at new things.

Gifts and graduations as a function of this, when we think they are ready for their Magister exams and get their masters to agree.

Jyn Ryvia said:
Complete a few more Great Deeds (these are going to be few and far between while we are stuck in K8P.)
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Idk, Waaaagghh large enough to threaten the empire crashing into us with empire witnesses, protector coin, and first combat use of Karag Nar would do for a second. ;)

Jyn Ryvia said:
Become a Lord Magister (getting there.... maybe, politics is still a problem we are kind of ignoring.)
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Wizard politics, I think we did real good with getting the crew we did down here to see what we were doing. I'm 100% sure at least one of them checked over Johann's research, and I am 100% sure they knew we had a skaven prisoner, so the obvious worries about our classified research would have been assuaged by in-person checks by the higher ups.

Plus, we publish awesome papers, make sure journeymanlings can stay alive in the area but remain otherwise unbothered and undirected, and we are personal friends with an empress, an elector countess, and two of the more dynamuc dwarf Kings.

So Master Wizard who wields power in the realms of Lords and Kings? I kinda feel like we de facto are, and everyone is just being polite until it filters through.

Jyn Ryvia said:
Finish the Reclamation of Karak Eight Peaks (going to get harder as we get stretched thin and the counter-attacks startup, tho at least now most of thoughts will be underground only thanks to our WMD.
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I think we need to really sell the idea that dwarves in the Karak are not here to risk their lives. They are here to improve their craft, rebuild the holds, and above all else raise children and teach.

Humans get looked at for the bulk of the population and warriors. Basically K8P sans Karag Lhune is given over to other races, on a tiered own/lease system that all explicitly has the 'until the king needs it back' clause in it, for the thousand year future when the dwarves overflow their halls again.

And then just fcking keep pulling in mercenaries. Make doing a few tours of duty at K8P a sort of combination equipment upgrade, dwarven boot camp, and cash windfall for sellswords across the known world. The ones that are good enough get offers for citizenship, and get stamped with a variant on the same rune the Undumgi felt.

Halflings don't have to fight, dwarves trade an imposed culture of 'must be warrior' for a 'must be teacher' one (with tradition given its due by reference to the ancient dwarf choice to uplift humanity), and the whole side of order wins.

Plus we oversee the reconstruction of a dwarf built metropolis, famous for it's textiles and idyllic caldera, guarded by dwarf fortifications and magical superweapons and thousands of networked superintellegent spiders in the miles of tunnels around.

Jyn Ryvia said:
Exhaust the potential of all of our current major research topics i.e. Snek Juice, Theurgy, Ulgu Tongs(?) (this will be fine as long as everyone remembers the plan.)
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We do those things so we can change the world, or our apprentice can. :) Why build the potential to act without a goal in mind?
 
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deathofrats0808 said:
Sure, that makes sense if they only trade or largely trade with the Empire through Marienburg, but the canon is supposed to be that Marienburg is the only port in the whole Old World they trade through. Which is stupid. I'd expect them to trade in Praag and Kislev as well as L'Anguille and Brionne.
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The way I see it its a quid pro quo. They let them be middlemen in the rest for the old world and in exchange whenever they need to lean in on someone the most powerful merchant in the old world lend their connections to aid their use of soft power.
REAPER35 said:
Does Marenberg have an absolute monopoly over the elf trade or just the elf trade in the empire/ northern coast of the old world? because if it's the latter, the EIC could easily set up an office in Tilea or Estalia and funnel Elf goods through Barak Var, and into the eastern and southern Empire.
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Sadly I doubt that Barak Varr is going to be allowing the elves to dock their anytime soon. Maybe if the whole mission with the everqueen's daughter turns out well this time? I remember her being welcomed their and having so success in her mission but that is still years away if it even happens in the timeline.
 
masterofmadness said:
The way I see it its a quid pro quo. They let them be middlemen in the rest for the old world and in exchange whenever they need to lean in on someone the most powerful merchant in the old world lend their connections to aid their use of soft power.
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Except the Elves are probably the most powerful nation on the planet, barring the lizardmen who don't really seem to leave Lustria very often. Hell, part of the reason Marienburg is considered the premier port and its houses the best merchants of the old world is that the elves trade there. And if they want to put pressure on someone why wouldn't trading directly with that person help them more? That way they could threaten it themselves instead of needing Marienburg to do the exact same thing. Also, Ulthuan isn't exactly in need of goods, so wouldn't more markets be better, both for information gathering, and for reaching untapped markets?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by chocolote12 on Nov 7, 2019 at 9:47 PM, finished with 651 posts and 62 votes.
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Stop: Listen to Your GM
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    • Well, the backlog had moved quite a bit since I last had the chance to visit this thread!

    Unfortunately it is under less happy circumstances than catching up with the story.

    thefoolswriter said:
    don't bother people will in the end belining to the nearest female character they like they have already made up their minds i would be very surprised by anything different
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    BoneyM said:
    Just because it's been a month since the last time I explicitly asked you to stop making these comments doesn't mean it's okay to start making them again.
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    thefoolswriter said:
    sigh typical
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    forlornhope said:
    oh lay of hes not harming anyone
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    Lupercal said:
    ...He has repeatadly, not just in this quest, reacted to any LGBTQA+ representation with paraphrased "Oh no the yuri is taking over my site". As a bisexual queer thats pretty damn hurtful to me and many others. So no he is hurting people when he acts like this.
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    thefoolswriter said:
    rolling the dice sound like a better way of solving Romanic issues it would be more fair to me
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    BoneyM said:
    Please stop the sexuality discussion. Just because I don't actually have the power to stop someone from making disruptive comments doesn't mean you should go right ahead and discuss them. All orientations are valid and anyone arguing otherwise will be ejected from the thread as soon as I can get a moderator's response.
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    listen to your gm
    @BoneyM, my sincere apologies for the delay. Thank you on behalf of the Staff for how you have handled this situation.

    @thefoolswriter, you have persistently expressed a vehement dislike of the very notion of the protagonist of this quest entering into a romantic relationship with characters of the same gender. I do not intend to play armchair psychologist and inquire about your motivations for this - what is relevant is that the effect has been to disrupt the game, and to upset many other players for understandable reasons. The GM first asked you to stop, then explicitly instructed you to stop, and you have not stopped. This is not okay.

    You leave me no choice but to infract you under Rule 4, and threadban you for three months. If this behaviour reoccurs after that time, assuming the Quest is still alive and kicking, then I will apply for a permanent threadban. Please don't do this again.

    @Lupercal, I sympathise with your feelings here, and you do have a right to express them so long as it does not become disruptive to the thread. But often the best way to deal with issues like this and prevent them from spiralling out of control is to use the report button.

    Thank you all for your time.
     
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    • deathofrats0808 said:
    Marienburg only sort of has a monopoly. For one, people can still trade in Lothern, and for another the idea that one Elf Captain negotiated on behalf of all of Ulthuan is ridiculous. Plus we know the elves don't always obey the Phoenix Throne anyway in this quest so why would they all follow the treaty? The whole idea of the elves trading exclusively in Marienburg has always been a very silly one to me, as it makes no sense.
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    Erengrad has a whole elven quarter
     
    masterofmadness said:
    The way I see it its a quid pro quo. They let them be middlemen in the rest for the old world and in exchange whenever they need to lean in on someone the most powerful merchant in the old world lend their connections to aid their use of soft power.

    Sadly I doubt that Barak Varr is going to be allowing the elves to dock their anytime soon. Maybe if the whole mission with the everqueen's daughter turns out well this time? I remember her being welcomed their and having so success in her mission but that is still years away if it even happens in the timeline.
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    That's why I suggested a satellite office of the EIC in a southern old world port. the EIC buys the goods in a human port in Tilea or Estalia, loads them on a human ship to ship to Barak Var and up river.
     
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