Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Omegahugger · Oct 6, 2019

Alratan said:
They might be able to learn the language, and they're probably fascinating enough to keep around.

The spiders will obviously communicate by writing in the on the dirt. Which is adorable. And since they don't know the language, we can teach them it's polite to end every sentence with the drawing of a heart.

... I WILL LITERALLY BURN EVERY SINGLE POINT OF DWARF FAVOUR MATHILDE HAD IF IT PROVES NECCESARY FOR TO GET OUR SPIDERS HERE!

Briefvoice · Oct 6, 2019

Night_stalker said:
[X] Plan Web of Secrets
- [X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
-[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
-[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
-[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
-[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
-[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

My reasoning, as follows:

The spiders mentioned how they love Greenskins. Coincidentally, I'm sure we have a map of all the nearby Greenskin holds. Even if we just want them to move out of K8 Peaks into a Greenskin hold, giving them options to consider is sure to be enticing. Especially if we offer a deal of "Don't attack us, we won't attack you", add in that occasionally, greenskins come right to us, meaning you basically could get in home delivered food...... They'll consider it.

I'll be blunt, a guy named Oswald Oswaldson is not who we want as our leader. Also he has a habit of screaming his name to the heavens, and has little accomplishments to his name. As for our Questing Knight, well, she has a distinct issue. Namely, while she sounds like a good warrior (Yeah, fun fact, they don't get the Lady's blessings, IE, the resistance to bullets and other fun stuff), I doubt her actual skills.

Simply put, while it'd be poetic and nice to reuse the armor or remake it into something new, it's far more fitting to return it. To show the other Holds that we're making progress, and uncovering lost relics. The diplomatic relations helps far more then one piece of kit.

As for everything else, well, we did just spend a buttload of coin, which we can afford, but I don't see a real need for. Plus, we'll be here some time. No rush to fill up the shelf of books, there's no real call for enchanting gear until we start doing R/D work, and runes, well, I don't think we need anything else yet.

It's not voting by plan.

spiritualatheist · Oct 6, 2019

Briefvoice said:
So here are my thoughts:

[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

One of these two basically. Maybe the second one, actually. Spiders hunting rats seems right, somehow. I do not think the We are "a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.". They're far too alien.

[ ] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

I know a lot of people are going to be tempted to jump on the Questing Knight bandwagon, but interactions with merchants are going to be a huge part of Undumgi business. Someone who understands caravans, how they operate, what they need, and what reasonable prices for guards are seems like the best possible option.

[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

This really seems like an internal dawi matter. I'd make no recommendation. Let's just enjoy the credit for bringing it back and not stick our noses in exactly which dwarf wears it.

Thoughts?

I'd go with having the spiders be an ally against the greenskins, personally. Recall that they had to move around a lot because Skaven are more organized. Let's not poke them while they are in the middle of a civil war.

EVA-Saiyajin · Oct 6, 2019

Omegahugger said:
NEIN! I will have my spiderbabies, or I will have death!

And we know Dhar now, dying might no longer be enough to stop us!

This is serious Omega. Please at least put forth logical arguments instead of cutesy pleas and such.

Briefvoice said:
So here are my thoughts:

[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

One of these two basically. Maybe the second one, actually. Spiders hunting rats seems right, somehow. I do not think the We are "a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.". They're far too alien.

[ ] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

I know a lot of people are going to be tempted to jump on the Questing Knight bandwagon, but interactions with merchants are going to be a huge part of Undumgi business. Someone who understands caravans, how they operate, what they need, and what reasonable prices for guards are seems like the best possible option.

[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

This really seems like an internal dawi matter. I'd make no recommendation. Let's just enjoy the credit for bringing it back and not stick our noses in exactly which dwarf wears it.

Thoughts?

I agree entirely.

Too much to treat them as full on sapients, but there is...possibility...in an alliance.

And yeah, the first is just a warrior, the third the same. The second has a brain and understands the importance of trade.

We don't know enough of the political situation or Dawi culture for the best usage of such.

Full marks.

Warmach1ne32 · Oct 6, 2019

@BoneyM, which would be the best faction for the spiders to be let loose on, the Greenskins or Skaven? Purely on how effective they are and nothing else.

chocolote12 · Oct 6, 2019

I want spider friends. They seem to be quite friendly and polite.

Oswald Oswaldson might not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but he may be the most useful and compliant. He's proud, but of things he's done, and his family line seems to indicate that his personal morals would be pretty stable. More notably, he's not the Bretonnian knight.

A careful reminder that Bretonnians despise Ranald, and will actually kill people for worshiping him back in their country. We're not in their country, of course, but it really does not speak well of how she'd deal with us attempting to inculcate such a culture into the Undumgi.

BoneyM said:
Yes.

Well, that clears up the question of how we might go about getting enough Gromril for a proper Maximum OverSword.

CuttleFish2.0 said:
Here I'm leading to making no recommendation or scuttering off to never be seen again. My worry is that if/when Seija and Esbern head off the Hold will be without a realiable way to communicate with the spiders. While they have sort of worked out how to remember things long term, it also sounds prone to loss. Could be dangerous.

We could have Belegar commission a number of spider talking items from the Amber college? He's a king, and Amber mages would flock to the hold in order to interact with the things if we keep them around, so it doesn't sound too far-fetched.

Alratan · Oct 6, 2019

Actually, @BoneyM, who are we making the recommendation about the armour to?

If it's just Belegar, I think we can much more freely offer advice than if it's the entire council.

Arbit · Oct 6, 2019

Could we, or Belegar, commission an enchanted item to speak with the spiders? That way we don't need to have Amber Mages on hand all the time, if the spiders stay.

Quest · Oct 6, 2019

So on the spiders, if we intend to use them against our enemies the green skin seem like a better target. With the battle between three clans, it seems prudent to take hints from the empire and not give them a common enemy.

Ideally, we want to escalate the conflict and weaken them. Then strike when they are in the most disadvantaged position.

Humbaba · Oct 6, 2019

BoneyM said:
and manage to be only temporarily sidetracked by jotting in corrections in the margins of Waaagh And Hive, which started with half an interesting idea and then flailed helplessly with it for the length of a tome.

This is a hilarious image, and also tells us a lot about how Mathilde's traits have narritave effects.

It's also confims it's the process and forms of academia that Mathilde struggles with so much.

I wonder if Mathilde's miscellanious musings might not be useful when we next dictate a paper on WAAGH energies?

Boney · Oct 6, 2019

Warmach1ne32 said:
@BoneyM, which would be the best faction for the spiders to be let loose on, the Greenskins or Skaven?

That's the thread's job to debate.

Alratan said:
Actually, @BoneyM, who are we making the recommendation about the armour to?

If it's just Belegar, I think we can much more freely offer advice than if it's the entire council.

In general, if it's sensitive enough to be a concern, it will be delivered privately.

Chlof · Oct 6, 2019

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

[X] [RUNE] No purchase.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.

picklepikkl said:
if we're serious about Plan Repair Ranald's Reputation, she's a great model for an unconventional Protector.

Ooh, that's a great point. Don't know if it'd work with her being devoted to the Lady and all, though.

Boney · Oct 6, 2019

Arbit said:
Could we, or Belegar, commission an enchanted item to speak with the spiders? That way we don't need to have Amber Mages on hand all the time, if the spiders stay.

Long-term communication will probably be the focus of the coming turn.

Chimeraguard · Oct 6, 2019

@BoneyM Did our recent scouting give us enough of an idea to get a rough outline of the 'Battle Lines' between the Skaven?

Derpmind · Oct 6, 2019

I love the two Dhar secrets. One explains how to build an energy field larger than your head, and the other tells how to neatly tear it all to pieces. Anyways, my recommendation:

[] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword.

That's it! Simple, leaves room for voting on Favor cost to a later vote. We very much don't want to get over-descriptive when commissioning this, and "Ranger" is a good enough description for any grumpy Runesmith of Mathilde's sneaky abilities. The Belt is for Mathilde the Wizard, and the Greatsword can be for Mathilde the Ranger.

BoneyM said:
[Esbern and Seija talking to We: Learning, 23+12=25.]

This should be 35, not 25.

Edit: Pretty sure there's still a moratorium for the RUNE vote.

SuperSonicSound · Oct 6, 2019

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.

[] [RUNE] A rune sword worth 25 points, whatever Thorek/Kragg/whoever, think is most suitable for someone who war on the forces of disorder and their works from the shadows.

Boney · Oct 6, 2019

Chimeraguard said:
@BoneyM Did our recent scouting give us enough of an idea to get a rough outline of the 'Battle Lines' between the Skaven?

Mathilde is practically bouncing up and down in anticipation of drawing the full MAP for the Council.

Oh, wait, I see what you mean, and I actually made a mental note to include it in the update and then didn't. Skryre are coming from within Zilfin and Moulder from under Karagril.

Claudiu26@@ · Oct 6, 2019

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

Aegon Targaryen · Oct 6, 2019

SuperSonicSound said:
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.

[X] [RUNE] A rune sword worth 25 points, whatever Thorek/Kragg/whoever, think is most suitable for someone who war on the forces of disorder and their works from the shadows.

I like it, however, rune votes are still under Moratorium

SuperSonicSound · Oct 6, 2019

Ohhh we're already on +1 to learning from the Morrite lore.

Aegon Targaryen said:
I like it, however, rune votes are still under Moratorium

Oh bleh.

chocolote12 · Oct 6, 2019

Chlof said:
Ooh, that's a great point. Don't know if it'd work with her being devoted to the Lady and all, though.

But Bretonnians hate Ranald.

The Cult of Ranald is ruthlessly persecuted in other parts of the Old World. Bretonnia in particular is notorious for its heavy-handed punishments for finding cultists merely travelling through their land.[1a][1b]

agumentic · Oct 6, 2019

Alratan said:
Reforge the armour into a weapon for each the major contributors to the expedition.

While a neat idea, in the eyes of dwarfs the major contributors to the expedition are us, Belegar and Kragg, and the latter two already have weapons.

I do like the idea of reforging even outside super-sword for us. It fits with the whole Belegar intention to leave the old behind and get new achievements and hopes.

Exmorri · Oct 6, 2019

I lean strongly towards Francesco Caravello for the Undumgi. He's got the breadth of experience to do the job properly in a weird place. Soizic would be my second choice. Oswald is no doubt a good person but doesn't strike me as a good leader.

Spiders should probably be set on the greenskins or allowed to scurry off.

No recommendation on the armor, let's leave that to the dwarfs.

picklepikkl · Oct 6, 2019

Chlof said:
Ooh, that's a great point. Don't know if it'd work with her being devoted to the Lady and all, though.

Sorry, I'm unfamiliar with Warhammer. Who is the Lady, and how do we know she's devoted to her? I didn't think there was mention of a god in her writeup.

In any even, even if she herself is not a Ranaldite, we can use her as a model of "someone who did what was right for the right reasons, even if society's norms were all against her, and when society tried to shove her back in the box she flipped them the bird and kept helping people."

spiritualatheist · Oct 6, 2019

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.

[ ] [RUNE] A rune sword worth 25 points, whatever Thorek/Kragg/whoever, think is most suitable for someone who war on the forces of disorder and their works from the shadows.

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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