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[X] [SQUAD] Briefvoice Sector Garrison 2325
[X][FDS] Plan Briefvoice 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] Briefvoice 2326 Task Forces A
[X][TASK1] Task Force Goodfoot and Depths
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth

i really have no idea what plan is better or not but here have my vote
 
[X][SQUAD] SWB Horizon-Proof Garrison
[X][FDS] Plan SWB 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] SWB 2325 Task Forces A

[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
 
[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade

[X] [SQUAD] Briefvoice Sector Garrison 2325
[X][FDS] Plan Briefvoice 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] Briefvoice 2326 Task Forces A

Going to be honest, I have no idea which plan is better, so I'm going with BV because he sounded sad.
 
[X] [SQUAD] Briefvoice Sector Garrison 2325
[X][FDS] Plan Briefvoice 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] Briefvoice 2326 Task Forces A
[X][TASK1] Task Force Goodfoot and Depths
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth
 
[X][SQUAD] SWB Horizon-Proof Garrison
[X][FDS] Plan SWB 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] SWB 2325 Task Forces A
[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
 
Briefvoice said:
I had lots of ships in those border zones! More than I put in other sectors. They definitely were reinforced; it's just that when SWB sees a Miranda he can't imagine it contributing positively to any situation ever.
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The problem is that a Miranda-A is kind of a "kid sidekick" ship in this era.

Sometimes Robin shows up and saves the day when Batman has been tied up by the Joker and is about to be dropped onto the world's largest exploding whoopie cushion. Sometimes Batman has to let the Joker get away because Robin has been tied up by the Joker and is about to be dropped onto the world's largest exploding whoopie cushion.

They're liabilities compared to other ships, and the only reason to assign them to do things is because it's better than having literally no ship. In situations where opposed rolls are involved they will predictably lose to the Harmony's everything, and lose hard, so having Mirandas count as "ships" for purpose of "how many ships are facing the Harmony in this sector" is kiiind of lulling oneself into a false sense of security.
 
[X] [SQUAD] Briefvoice Sector Garrison 2325
[X][FDS] Plan Briefvoice 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] Briefvoice 2326 Task Forces A
[X][TASK1] Task Force Goodfoot and Depths
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth
 
We're trying to deescalate, right?

[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth

[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.

[X][CAT] Disband.

I feel dirty voting to end Task Force Liberty, but we do need to pick our fights carefully.
 
Steven Kodaly said:
[X][CAT] Disband.

I feel dirty voting to end Task Force Liberty, but we do need to pick our fights carefully.
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Counterpoint. What we've learned about the Hishmeri over the past year is that they aren't charming barbarians whose raiding is "just their culture man" and have no other way to live. They're cold-hearted businesscats who have built an entire slaving economy in our corner of the galaxy. They have an economic model built around kidnapping sophonts from their home and selling them into alien slavery. To quote something I said on Discord, if the Hishmeri slavers have complaints they can make them in Hell.

If we're going to pick our fights carefully, let's make these some fights we pick.
 
[X] [SQUAD] Briefvoice Sector Garrison 2325
[X][FDS] Plan Briefvoice 2325 FDS - 12P
[X][TASK] Briefvoice 2326 Task Forces A
-[X] Retain 24 points of ships and three cargo ships (40 pp)
[X][TASK1] Task Force Goodfoot and Depths
[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.
[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
[X][WOLF] Retask to attempt to negotiate a mutual-defense agreement with the Righteous Allupii Empire, aimed at Cardassia [Difficult Mission, -50pp]

In Briefvoice We Trust
 
Briefvoice said:
To quote something I said on Discord, if the Hishmeri slavers have complaints they can make them in Hell.

If we're going to pick our fights carefully, let's make these some fights we pick.
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I won't exactly be heartbroken if I'm on the losing side of this particular vote; my only concern is whether we have the assets available given how much we're going to be throwing at the Cardassians and the Singers.
 
So I've been thinking, our Patroller-A ships really need a snazzier name. I have an idea for one.

So the Patroller-As are our tiny black magic miracle ships, just like the Klingons had their tiny miracle ships, right?

The Klingons have Birds of Prey. And we have....

Birds of Paradise

Imagine.... "The FDS Ambassador will be arriving in a Starfleet Bird of Paradise sometime next week. I hear they paint each one in a unique beautiful plumage."

(This discussion brought on by the fact that we finally have a good mission for federalized Patroller-As... Send them to serve in the FDS.)
 
Briefvoice said:
So I've been thinking, our Patroller-A ships really need a snazzier name. I have an idea for one.

So the Patroller-As are our tiny black magic miracle ships, just like the Klingons had their tiny miracle ships, right?

The Klingons have Birds of Prey. And we have....

Birds of Paradise

Imagine.... "The FDS Ambassador will be arriving in a Starfleet Bird of Paradise sometime next week. I hear they paint each one in a unique beautiful plumage."

(This discussion brought on by the fact that we finally have a good mission for federalized Patroller-As... Send them to serve in the FDS.)
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...You know what, I like it.
 
When BV suggested the class rename, I just couldn't see it happening without some kind of paint scheme, hence the suggestion:
And the diplomats are arriving in system now. The three vessels are approaching in formation. These Birds of Paradise designs are a beautiful visual, with their exotic color patterns, In the lead is the FDS (Federal Diplomatic Ship) [insert name1 here], painted in twirling greens and yellows. On the port wing is the FDS [insert name2 here] patterned after a Risan song bird with it's twisting plumage of red and blue. On the starboard wing is the FDS [insert name3 here] painted in a dithered blue to purple pattern that stands out nicely against the backdrop of the nebula that the vessels are backstopped by. Yes, this is a wonderful day.
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Simon_Jester said:
The problem is that a Miranda-A is kind of a "kid sidekick" ship in this era.

Sometimes Robin shows up and saves the day when Batman has been tied up by the Joker and is about to be dropped onto the world's largest exploding whoopie cushion. Sometimes Batman has to let the Joker get away because Robin has been tied up by the Joker and is about to be dropped onto the world's largest exploding whoopie cushion.
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Robin Miranda: Fuck Batman Excelsior
 
Leslie:

"To be fair, we lost the USS Miranda because the captain forgot the valuable words of wisdom we'd later go on to put on Page 117 of the RSPS Handbook in her fond memory: 'No matter how much the spatiotemporal anomaly looks like a donut, and no matter how enticing and magnificent the donut is, do not fly closer to the enchanting and delicious spatial whozit.' "
 
Briefvoice said:
So I've been thinking, our Patroller-A ships really need a snazzier name. I have an idea for one.

So the Patroller-As are our tiny black magic miracle ships, just like the Klingons had their tiny miracle ships, right?

The Klingons have Birds of Prey. And we have....

Birds of Paradise

Imagine.... "The FDS Ambassador will be arriving in a Starfleet Bird of Paradise sometime next week. I hear they paint each one in a unique beautiful plumage."

(This discussion brought on by the fact that we finally have a good mission for federalized Patroller-As... Send them to serve in the FDS.)
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If we really wanted to play up the theme they could go past paint to a light show like Yondu's funeral in Guardians of the Galaxy 2:

 
[X][SQUAD] SWB Horizon-Proof Garrison

[X][FDS] Plan SWB 2325 FDS - 12P

[X][TASK] SWB 2325 Task Forces A

[X][WOLF] Shift to focus on developing relations, and possibly a defense agreement, with the Dobetian Commonwealth

[X][BUG] Shift its mission to preventing a Gorn/Ittick-Ka war.

[X][CAT] Continue to focus on disrupting the rimward slave trade
 
Briefvoice said:
To quote something I said on Discord, if the Hishmeri slavers have complaints they can make them in Hell.

If we're going to pick our fights carefully, let's make these some fights we pick.
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While our main focus is dealing with the HoH and making sure the Cardi's don't get to big for their britches, I'm all for making those cats as miserable as possible.
 
Ok, just to be clear: We don't know how the anti-HoH "Disruption" missions are going to get their ships. Either we need a big TF's worth of ships in the HBZ, ooor we somehow don't. If we knew one way or another... but we don't, and GMs are not likely to tell us until after the vote.

Scenario one: We need a bunch of extra ships in the HBZ, but we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as a normal border zone. In this case, we're heavily penalized for the entire year, based on information we don't have.

Scenario two: We don't need any extra ships in the HBZ, and we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as a normal border zone. Everything works out and we're able to effectively engage in anti-HoH a missions.

Scenario three: We need a bunch of extra ships in the HBZ, and we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as an abmormal border zone. Everything works out and we're able to effectively engage in anti-HoH a missions.

Scenario four: We don't need any extra ships in the HBZ, but we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as an abmormal border zone. In this case, we're heavily penalized for the entire year, based on information we don't have.

This is just me trying to be fair, though. IMO the basic message that we're going to use HBZ ships for the disruption missions is enough on its own, because it'd be crazy to expect them to pull double duty on normal event response at the same time. (Either that, or we'll get the extra ships redeployed from elsewhere?) But there's stiol a big issue in that that there's even confusion to begin with. I might well be wrong, but without some clearer communication from the GMs, I won't know that till after this vote.
 
Derpmind said:
Ok, just to be clear: We don't know how the anti-HoH "Disruption" missions are going to get their ships. Either we need a big TF's worth of ships in the HBZ, ooor we somehow don't. If we knew one way or another... but we don't, and GMs are not likely to tell us until after the vote.

Scenario one: We need a bunch of extra ships in the HBZ, but we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as a normal border zone. In this case, we're heavily penalized for the entire year, based on information we don't have.

Scenario two: We don't need any extra ships in the HBZ, and we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as a normal border zone. Everything works out and we're able to effectively engage in anti-HoH a missions.

Scenario three: We need a bunch of extra ships in the HBZ, and we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as an abmormal border zone. Everything works out and we're able to effectively engage in anti-HoH a missions.

Scenario four: We don't need any extra ships in the HBZ, but we deploy assuming the HBZ will operate as an abmormal border zone. In this case, we're heavily penalized for the entire year, based on information we don't have.

This is just me trying to be fair, though. IMO the basic message that we're going to use HBZ ships for the disruption missions is enough on its own, because it'd be crazy to expect them to pull double duty on normal event response at the same time. (Either that, or we'll get the extra ships redeployed from elsewhere?) But there's stiol a big issue in that that there's even confusion to begin with. I might well be wrong, but without some clearer communication from the GMs, I won't know that till after this vote.
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There's also an issue of what a "disruption mission" really requires. SWB appears to be assuming Task Force level activity where I was thinking it's like, "loan us a Renaissance occasionally".

If they needed Task Force level ships, why not just have us assign a pool of Task Force level ships for the job?
 
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OneirosTheWriter said:
The Border Conflict, where you attempt to disrupt Harmony operations and task forces. Rather than simply attempting to play on a level playing field, the rules of engagement have been opened, allowing kinetic operations of various scales and objects.
  • This conflict will be fought using Starfleet Intelligence operatives, Diplomatic Service espionage, and even Fleet assets.
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OneirosTheWriter said:
The Home Conflict, where you defend against intrusion attempts.
  • This will be fought by enemy agents and teams against Starfleet Counter-Intel assets you deploy, and the Federation's passive defence.
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anon_user said:
Please note that Anti-Horizon border activity in Felis space will be supported by the Horizon Border Zone Sector Fleet rather than by a distinct task force; similarly, the Licori Border Zone Sector Fleet will be responsible for supporting Anti-Horizon activity in Licori space and the Paddah Sector Fleet will support Anti-Horizon activity in Bolian space. You will be asked to select Assets to assign to Missions against Targets.
Some missions will trigger an Event for handling by the HBZ, LBZ, or SBZ as appropriate, and is processed as a priority mission (we roll responders first) for those fleets. These events, unless specifically listed, are ineligible for dual-responders.
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Are the relevant parts about the the conflict vs the Harmony:
1: defense is ground team based and does not mention ships
2: If ships are needed they are used for harmony events first and then for normal response rolls and says no dual-responders
3:The border conflict is the only one mentioning ships and only after two other parts of the war.

This reads to me a mostly SFI team based system where ships are used on occasion, mostly from the LBZ from where the [X][LICORI] Shadow War (6pt, clears Commander, Starfleet to take a very kinetic approach to supporting anti-Harmony Licori assets against pro-Harmony allies) is supported.
 
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