It's called a surprise attack.
And I guess Firn wanted to see how the thread reacted before writing Sabrina's reaction to the attack, that's why we don't get to see it yet.
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And I guess Firn wanted to see how the thread reacted before writing Sabrina's reaction to the attack, that's why we don't get to see it yet.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[x]Call me if you ever want to punish Kyubey instead of the pawns. In the meantime I have a prophecy to avert to keep us from coming to blows. Kill the blue haired power copier who can't copy my power named Sayaka Miki and your life is forfeit.
-[x]Raise the field.
-[x]Raise the field.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I'd liken it also to a social slap, but I know how this thread reacted last time a friend tried to slap Sabrina to make a point. :/
We can also let her be for now, and restrain her before her plane leaves tomorrow, throw some antimagic cuffs on her and throw her in meguca prison.
Leaving her be right now doesn't mean letting her go free to keep killing people.
At the very least, I'd demand Riona stays put in this room, and ask Homura or Sayaka to keep watch tonight.
Well shit. If Mura thinks I'm overreacting, I probably am.
But... even if we do release her, surely we can't just "let her go on her merry way"? At the very least we need to warn her away from doing more mind-whammy shit to anyone else in Mitakihara, right?
Mind-whammy shit? She just wanted us to let her go in peace. She feels really insecure in our privacy sphere, where she can't summon her shades and, she believe, she can't get out without our permission.
I feel like at this point letting her go is really the best course of action, since she's betting more unstable by the minute, and if she tries to actually Shade us she might not fail as hard as now.
Even if we let her go, it's not the end. Once we're a couple steps further ahead with our System Breaking we can pay her a visit in Edinburgh any time, or at least telepathy her up.
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- Athens, Greece
Well shit. If Mura thinks I'm overreacting, I probably am.
But... even if we do release her, surely we can't just "let her go on her merry way"? At the very least we need to warn her away from doing more mind-whammy shit to anyone else in Mitakihara, right?
Well, sure, her NOT mind-controlling, shading, killing or otherwise hurting anyone in our territory, is definitely a minimum requirement for us letting her go.
Still think we can negotiate for something more than this, and we don't need to end the discussion right here.
Current thoughts I have -- I may formulate something more complete a bit later.
[] I noticed you trying to mind-control me. If you even attempt to do that again, against me or any of my friends and allies, it will be an all-out war between us. So please don't, okay. I still want us to talk this out, not fight it out.
[] You also thought that grief-controlling is impossible, why are you so sure that bringing your sister back is impossible? I am Sabrina
[X] Let her go, on the stipulation that she not harm anyone in Mitakihara
There is a lot of other stuff that needs handling.
There is a lot of other stuff that needs handling.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
This is not surprise:
Riona tried to use magic, failed, Sabrina observed this, then Riona tried something else, yet Sabrina, who's super on edge right now, let it happen. Sabrina is an alert magical girl, too.
This does not read like surprise at all.
I would not actually want to let her leave Mitakihara free...
It's true Riona's cornered, she's been since we got into the Sphere. She even showed apprehension then.
This is just her showing how the Sphere affects her, emotionally. And yes, I agree she believes she can't leave without permission.
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We can't even let her go, since we're currently inside of her room and she needs to wait until tomorrow for her flight home anyway.. She should really make sure to word her mindsoul-whammy orders better in the future.
Well shit. If Mura thinks I'm overreacting, I probably am.
But... even if we do release her, surely we can't just "let her go on her merry way"? At the very least we need to warn her away from doing more mind-whammy shit to anyone else in Mitakihara, right?
Well, in your defense, nothing in the update indicates that Riona can really be reasoned with. Actually the opposite. And the little author's note right afterwards isn't exactly encouraging either. But that's just my opinion.
Laurelin
Ain't got nothing better.
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I'm on the side that wants a time-stop emergency meeting. I'm in favour of letting her go for now and dealing with her when our more pressing concerns are dealt with, but only if this doesn't bring us into moral conflict with our friends. Hence, time-stop and emergency meeting, so we can all decide together where to go from here. Seems the most sensible route, but I'm open to being convinced of otherwise.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Promise agree to end the meeting. Because you're sick of it, not because she's asking.
[X] But first:
-[X] Call her out. On everything. Trying to use magic on you, threatening you, baiting you, arriving unnanounced, everything.
--[X] Use this.
-[X] Get her to agree to concessions, as many as you can get:
--[X] Priority: Arrange another meeting before she leaves (morning?).
--[X] She'll stay confined within this room for the duration of her stay.
--[X] She'll answer questions, now or at that later meeting, about:
---[X] Our Soul.
---[X] Clear Seeds.
---[X] Wish Rejection.
---[X] The Feather.
---[X] How the fuck is her name spelled.
[X] Once Riona agrees to everything you can get her to, warn her to not try that again and dismiss the Privacy Field.
-[X] Let Mami know before you dismiss the Field.
-[X] Watch out in case Riona tries to pull something.
[X] Get out. Timestop meeting. Mami hugs.
-[X] Get Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika. This is important.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make Anti Magic Enchantments for our group's use while you talk.
-[X] Explain everything that can be explained about what just happened.
I'd like everyone's reactions and opinions before deciding an actual course of action.
[X] But first:
-[X] Call her out. On everything. Trying to use magic on you, threatening you, baiting you, arriving unnanounced, everything.
--[X] Use this.
-[X] Get her to agree to concessions, as many as you can get:
--[X] Priority: Arrange another meeting before she leaves (morning?).
--[X] She'll stay confined within this room for the duration of her stay.
--[X] She'll answer questions, now or at that later meeting, about:
---[X] Our Soul.
---[X] Clear Seeds.
---[X] Wish Rejection.
---[X] The Feather.
---[X] How the fuck is her name spelled.
[X] Once Riona agrees to everything you can get her to, warn her to not try that again and dismiss the Privacy Field.
-[X] Let Mami know before you dismiss the Field.
-[X] Watch out in case Riona tries to pull something.
[X] Get out. Timestop meeting. Mami hugs.
-[X] Get Sayaka, Oriko and Kirika. This is important.
-[X] Ask Kirika to make Anti Magic Enchantments for our group's use while you talk.
-[X] Explain everything that can be explained about what just happened.
I'd like everyone's reactions and opinions before deciding an actual course of action.
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Again, the lack of reaction is surprise and Firn not wanting to write Sabrina's reaction before seeing the thread. Or do you really believe Sabrina would have stayed put while she was being potentially shaded by Riona?
Lord Chungus
God of Nutella
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I guess it depends on whether we're more concerned with solving her problems/redeeming her and getting her help, or if we want to put her in Meguca prison. The slammer will be more simple, and it really does seem like she deserves it, but we do want to help everyone, regardless of how unpleasent they are. On the flip side, if we let her go then there's a fair chance we can redeem her at some unforseen later date, when we have Megucas who can let us help Rionna with her problems.
Personally, I'd fo for a timestop meeting to figure out which to do. Imprison her with anti-magic cuffs, preventing her from commiting anymore evils but leaving her problems unsolved and ensuring she'll be our enemy for a long, long time? Or let her go until we have the means to help her, hopefully redeeming her but allowing her to run free until that point?
At the very least, this conversation is done.
If she doesn't mind ripping people's Souls out, screaming and kicking, I don't think we can make her feel guilty about comparably petty things like this.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
If there was any danger of Sabrina getting mind controlled or shaded, I would believe Firn would have have her react, or let us react before Riona actually could try to use magic twice.
The fact her didn't, tells me there was no need, no actual danger from Riona's actions. That Sabrina didn't try to defend herself because it was unnecessary. That Sabrina stayed put because there wasn't actually a potential danger of being shaded, or even mind controlled.
It's an Doylist reading of the scene, not Watsonian.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
[x]Try that again and I blow up your gem from the inside out.
-[x]If you ever want to punish Kyubey instead of the pawns, let me know.
-[x]You're being watched, in the meantime I have a prophecy to avert. Kill Sayaka Miki, a blue haired power copier who can't copy my power and your life is forfeit.
-[x]Raise the field.
-[x]If you ever want to punish Kyubey instead of the pawns, let me know.
-[x]You're being watched, in the meantime I have a prophecy to avert. Kill Sayaka Miki, a blue haired power copier who can't copy my power and your life is forfeit.
-[x]Raise the field.
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- Athens, Greece
Can we *very please* not name specific people she might be interested in killing, and thus draw her attention to them? It's not as if we'll punish her any less if she kills Tomoe or Homura or Madoka or any other of our friends! Why in the worlds would we just put a target on Sayaka like that?
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
It's more about it being social ammunition. 'Use this'.
She did all this shit, so now she needs to pay up in concessions.
She arrived into our territory unnanounced and without permission, so no she doesn't get to gallivate around.
She tried to use magic on us, so even better, she doesn't get to leave the room because she's proved herself too dangerous for even that.
She's threatened us and baited us and generally being a huge patience sink, so she's gonna pay us for that by answering our questions.
Etc.
OctarineShrike
Avatar of Mandos
Breaking the prophecy. Removing her potential motive for targeting Sayaka by ensuring she knows Sayaka is one of ours and she won't be able to get our power by targeting her.
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- Bowling Green
[X] Kill her
The appropriate response to someone trying to mind control you is not to do what they told you to anyway.
The appropriate response to someone trying to mind control you is not to do what they told you to anyway.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Self fulfilling prophecy, letting Riona know about Sayaka's existence so they can come to blows.
I mean, why would you want to look at someone dangerous and let them know about who they can target if they want to hurt you?
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- Athens, Greece
This sounds more like a self-fulfilling prophecy, where she didn't even know about Sayaka before, and we just gave her the reason to kill her, even describing her and her powers! I mean Sayaka would be "why the fuck did you just describe me to the murderer that will want to kill me for my powers, while also telling her how delicious my powers are!"