Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
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- Original Fantasy
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- California
I've actually been looking at the meridians that we have open as well as the meridians required to power our arts, and I'm rather confused. It seems like we don't have nearly enough to actually power everything we have equipped, and I can't figure out where to find the info on why that is. Could anyone enlighten me? If my count is correct, with our new art, we're actually 55 meridians off from being able to use everything correctly. 
I've actually been looking at the meridians that we have open as well as the meridians required to power our arts, and I'm rather confused. It seems like we don't have nearly enough to actually power everything we have equipped, and I can't figure out where to find the info on why that is. Could anyone enlighten me? If my count is correct, with our new art, we're actually 55 meridians off from being able to use everything correctly.
Common confusion. In the art spoiler boxes, the number is what level you need another meridian, not how many more. For example, for lunar revelry art, we need 1 more meridian at level 3. In total, the art will need 7 meridians at Max.
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I've actually been looking at the meridians that we have open as well as the meridians required to power our arts, and I'm rather confused. It seems like we don't have nearly enough to actually power everything we have equipped, and I can't figure out where to find the info on why that is. Could anyone enlighten me? If my count is correct, with our new art, we're actually 55 meridians off from being able to use everything correctly.
So my first question would be;
When you're reading the part were the Arts list the Meridians required and they say something like Leg(4), are you reading that as "The Art requires four Leg Meridians to work?"
Because the actual way of reading it is "The Art requires a Leg Meridan at Level 4 to work."
Ok, so the basic thing is that we're currently short on meridians because we've picked up a couple of new arts recently and haven't really had time to open more meridians. That's the main reason anyway. The reason this isn't a huge problem is that we can still train any art we have the meridians for by temporarily unequiping other arts to free up the needed meridians.I've actually been looking at the meridians that we have open as well as the meridians required to power our arts, and I'm rather confused. It seems like we don't have nearly enough to actually power everything we have equipped, and I can't figure out where to find the info on why that is. Could anyone enlighten me? If my count is correct, with our new art, we're actually 55 meridians off from being able to use everything correctly.
Currently, the best way we have to train meridians is using the White Room. We also have a couple of sable light pill weeks coming up sometime where we'll be wanting to open meridians. Given that, to equip all our arts we want this year we only need 5 lung, 3 leg, 1 arm, and 1 head added max (and getting all those arts trained will be hard), and we have 11 white room uses left this year, it isn't actually a problem.
Basically, while it might hurt our short term power not being able to equip anything, it's better for us to just open our meridians slowly over the rest of the year. And short term risks aren't really a major issue because we're still really strong right now and the war's stopped.
Moon Guide is updated.
- Location
- California
Damn. You guys work fast. Thanks for the help! I see where I screwed up now. I haven't really been following much other than the story posts, so some of the finer mechanics that are discussed between updates are lost on me. Not nearly as much as an issue as I thought. Ya'll rock!
- Location
- UK
So Phantasmagoria is amazing, but I noticed something odd about it.
Just picture this: you're fighting Ling Qi and a few of her friends and suddenly she uses this weird dance rave technique to summon a crowd of dancers, which you lose her in, and you just can't hit her. HOWEVER, her allies, who presumably are also in the disco rave, for some reason are still just as easy to hit.
Basically, you would expect at least a little support from the art, but it's like the rave illusion only does anything when specifically targeting Ling Qi. I wouldn't expect the full effect on allies due to them not being in sync with the dance, but nothing just seems odd. Even only a couple die penalty of some sort or something minor, but not nothing.
Once again, it's an amazing art, and we can use the second ability or mists to help allies still, it just doesn't sound like it will work how you would picture it I guess? Unless I'm misunderstanding of course.
Just picture this: you're fighting Ling Qi and a few of her friends and suddenly she uses this weird dance rave technique to summon a crowd of dancers, which you lose her in, and you just can't hit her. HOWEVER, her allies, who presumably are also in the disco rave, for some reason are still just as easy to hit.
Basically, you would expect at least a little support from the art, but it's like the rave illusion only does anything when specifically targeting Ling Qi. I wouldn't expect the full effect on allies due to them not being in sync with the dance, but nothing just seems odd. Even only a couple die penalty of some sort or something minor, but not nothing.
Once again, it's an amazing art, and we can use the second ability or mists to help allies still, it just doesn't sound like it will work how you would picture it I guess? Unless I'm misunderstanding of course.
It's actually not as amazing as it looks at first glance. While it's very effective at dealing with lower level enemies, it will fail against peers. For example, Ling Qi currently has 20 dice on perception, and 27 against illusions. Making a 5 success perception test with that is trivial.
In other words, it continues our theme of being fantastic at punching down against large groups of lower level foes.
- Location
- United States of America
I'm honestly dying right now thinking about it.
One minute your fighting ling qi , avoiding clawing shade's and eldritch worms in an unholy mist of despair while sadness/creepy bgm plays in the distance.
You get ready for the next attack, not knowing what to expect perhaps some unholy abomination will spawn from the ground and devour you? When suddenly...
It would be completely jarring at the sudden tone shift for her enemies hahahah
One minute your fighting ling qi , avoiding clawing shade's and eldritch worms in an unholy mist of despair while sadness/creepy bgm plays in the distance.
You get ready for the next attack, not knowing what to expect perhaps some unholy abomination will spawn from the ground and devour you? When suddenly...
It would be completely jarring at the sudden tone shift for her enemies hahahah
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Well, looks like overkill is a thing with Cai. A frequent thing...though its entirely possible that he was the SMALLEST personal contact she had on hand. Most upper nobility wouldn't spend the much effort maintaining contacts below that depth
Water, wind and blood huh?
Soaring Sanguine Crescent - Bloody Moon art. Probably Moon, Arm, Leg, some combination of Death From Above.
Twinned Star Discourse - Thats PROBABLY a diplomacy art from the Reflective Moons. Based on what we've seen, it compels the other party to match your contributions. He offers three of his known arts so we spill three.
Sable Moon's Veil - Hidden Moon dedicated Stealth Art.
And interesting. Some of us speculated Renshu had EPC, but it looks like its much rarer than that, when theres THREE people, one of them an Elder, who use it at all.
Ready to house evolved Zhengui!
No green stone yet, but we can hope.
She what?
Whats she do? Crawl into their beds to cuddle?
Show up in the toilet with "So, what are you doing?"
Ooo...very interesting. A naturally intangible spirit given the power to materialize for the event is very fun. Also I note that she's supposed to presumably disintegrate and return to the Dreaming Moon if shes not bound.
I'm not sure Ling Qi had gotten the point of consent across properly yet...
And here we have a Summon Rave Clones art. Jebus, the basic technique would wreck anyone without good perception arts. Its basically giving us free rounds to drain their qi. Coupled with FVM and AE it's "Abducted by the mists and ravished by monsters that drains your vital essence"
[X] Hidden Moon
This seems substantially more in-character for Ling Qi. Sixiang hasn't been making been making the best case for their progenitor, and we owe Xin anyway. Moonlit raves are cool and all, but we're a sneak thief first and foremost.
This seems substantially more in-character for Ling Qi. Sixiang hasn't been making been making the best case for their progenitor, and we owe Xin anyway. Moonlit raves are cool and all, but we're a sneak thief first and foremost.
- Location
- the netherlands
[X] Dreaming Moon
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
I have been thinking about it some more, and I think PLR is a bit stronger, already, than that. It's just a bit hard to tag exactly how strong for IPF, as we don't really know other people's perception, but LW is already very powerful as it is. If you compare it to, say, FSS where SEA is also not that usable right now (in that it's not worth a full action), then it makes sense.
Obviously, the big issue is that IPF is a 4 dot technique and the most expensive tech of the art, so it should follow that it should be particularly effective, unlike FVM/FSS/AE, where the domain-type tech that all lung art seems to share is the lowest dot tech and least expensive. So, the hope is that the scaling of IPF works well. This is the first level after all, and for all it's a green art it only cost us 50 successes. The scaling being weak currently is OK.
It's also hurt by us not being able to use our woodwind speciality with it, correct, @yrsillar?
Anyway, what kind of perception can we expect of our opponents? Well, 5 Composure and 5 Wits base seems pretty good, so something like that for peer for base would make sense. Perception arts like AE that focus on grounded enemies don't work, but ones that focus on illusions like AM should double time. For example, Ling Qi without using discerning gaze should probably have Composure 5 + Wits 4 + AM 6 (Perception 3, Illusion 3) = 15 dice. With discerning gaze, it should be upped to 23 (4 Perception, 4 Illusion), and maybe even 25 if tech dot applies.
The debuff we can apply to perception are low light (-1), diapason (-3), blind (-3?), deafen? Let's only consider low light + diapason, so -4, though there is a signiifcant hope diapason scale up at FVM6.
Let's consider 4 levels of opponent: mooks with 10 perception, lower peers with 15 perception, peers with 20 perception, perception peers with 25.
Mooks: 63% chance to miss us on first turn without diapason/mist, 95% with.
lower peers: 21% chance to miss us on first turn without diapason/mist, 53% with.
peers: 5% chance to miss us on first turn without diapason/mist, 16% with.
perception peers: 1% chance to miss us on first turn without diapason/mist, 3.7% with.
So, as we can see, PLR1 has an IPF that's mostly able to contend with mooks that we can already beat... but that's very likely because it's just PLR1. As long as it scales, and as long as we get stronger perception debuff from Diapason from FVM6, it should be able to be at least worth using at all against non-mooks. Considering the art isn't a heart art, and its second tech is single target, it's very likely the rest of it will also be single target for the most part (though it will also have movement techs I think), so it's not a art that should be designed to only matter against mooks.
As such, I have high hope that IPF, as it's a requirement to use LW+ other techs, and as it's a very expensive 4 dot techs, will scale.
