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Right, but as of this time, the "oldest" ship classes we have in service in nontrivial numbers are the Constellations and Mirandas, which are 2270-vintage designs, mostly constructed in the 2280s or later, and only very recently refitted with 2310-vintage technology. And it's only 2322. They are nowhere near the point at which we would normally decommission military equipment in the modern era, assuming it isn't physically falling apart, and assuming it hasn't become truly incapable of achieving its mission.I mean, Soyuz or Ranger-based series were a thing, so. Some are going to be going outdated.
The one wildcard there is Cheron, which has, again, so far been able to compete as (in effect) a reasonably good cruiser.
Because none of our core ship classes look similar enough to one another. The closest we could come would be to advertise an un-refitted ship as a refitted ship, and we've already refitted nearly all our pre-2300 designs, some of them twice, so there's not much point in it.
You can't convincingly pass off a Connie as a Renaissance or a Miranda as a Centaur-B, in other words.
No, no they factually are not, because those ship classes were being used effectively by Starfleet clear up through the mid-2300s. And I do mean 'effective.' If all those Constellations and Mirandas we saw in TNG weren't cost-effective to operate, Starfleet would not have continued operating them. There is no canon support for the idea that those starships were already 'obsolete' in 2320. This is a complete brainbug.The reason we need to scrap our older ships is one I've already stated before. They're past their original time of retirement...
There is some threshold at which having a weak ship to respond to an event is worse than having NO ship to respond to that event. I'm honestly not sure where it occurs. Do you have a mathematically rigorous proof that the Miranda-A has passed this point? If so, please present it. If not, please stop advancing the counterintuitive claim that it would be better to retire the Mirandas than to keep using them, when there is no clear evidence of mechanical breakdowns and when they continue to provide occasional event response and frequent support on other ships' event response.
You do realize we don't even have a budget for ship maintenance and that we aren't even being asked to do accounting for the cost of "keeping them in service," right?...Keeping older vessels in service longer just means more resources spent on keeping them in service...
What happened in canon was the ships being thrown against a militarily superior opponent. We don't have to do that, we can perfectly easily use the ships as rear area garrison and emergency responders to events while concentrating modern ships on the front lines....and more ships and crew being lost when we inevitably go to war against a power with more advanced ships for their mainline.
JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPENED IN CANON VS THE BORG AND THE DOMINION.