Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
She's always available to Brina!She's still available? I thought Sabrina and Mami were dating now?
Geez!
Puella Magi Adfligo Systema
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Geez!
Raiseth
I Find Your Lack of Memes Disturbing
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- Russia
It is exponential, you ignoramus.
It was theoretically proved by Doctor Mami Tomoe, April 8th of 2011, if I'm not mistaken.
Then, it was experimentally confirmed by Doctor Kazusa Michuru, April 11th of 2011.
What did you even learn about Hugging Geometry in school? Hmph.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
You know when one of the Ishinomaki girls asked to keep a Grief marble, and when Kazumi solemnly informed Mami she was kidnapping Chibi Brina?
Well, both of those things could have happened if Mami had attached a Ribbon to the Grief!
So we could totally leave a Chibi Brina here if Mami can keep the Ribbon working all the way from Mitakihara.
And Kazumi can finally promote from delinquent to kidnapper.
Well, both of those things could have happened if Mami had attached a Ribbon to the Grief!
So we could totally leave a Chibi Brina here if Mami can keep the Ribbon working all the way from Mitakihara.
And Kazumi can finally promote from delinquent to kidnapper.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
[X] Niko.
-[X] You can see the use as a therapy tool, but only if Anri agrees to it (now or later).
--[X] It's a better last resort, in case Anri can't be contained otherwise.
-[] Ask about developing security measures for prisoners.
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Mami (private):
--[X] Share thoughts about O&K: Contributions, trust, redemption; the role youoffered gave Oriko; lessening their restrictions.
Adding unless there's objections then.
-[X] You can see the use as a therapy tool, but only if Anri agrees to it (now or later).
--[X] It's a better last resort, in case Anri can't be contained otherwise.
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Mami (private):
--[X] Share thoughts about O&K: Contributions, trust, redemption; the role you
Adding unless there's objections then.
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The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
[X] Niko.
-[X] You could offer it to Anri, you can see the use as a therapy tool, but you won't edit people's minds against their will.
(Revision planned)
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Telepathy Hijiri:
--[X] Update her on Anri: Her situation and her (unacceptable) actions. She should be filled in on at least that much.
If people insist, I'll pare Hijiritalk down to what I think is the most essential, but I do believe that that one bit is important here. Telling her what happened here, as it happened, is a statement that we consider leaving her informed to be important. It's a gesture of respect.
-[X] You could offer it to Anri, you can see the use as a therapy tool, but you won't edit people's minds against their will.
(Revision planned)
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Telepathy Hijiri:
--[X] Update her on Anri: Her situation and her (unacceptable) actions. She should be filled in on at least that much.
If people insist, I'll pare Hijiritalk down to what I think is the most essential, but I do believe that that one bit is important here. Telling her what happened here, as it happened, is a statement that we consider leaving her informed to be important. It's a gesture of respect.
Problem with this line: Niko's has been giving us security measures for dealing with prisoners. They're well, the Freezer and memory blocking.
I'm interested in softening the blow but my issue here with this track is that, personally, I don't consider forcibly applying the memory device to be better, just differently bad.
Honestly, I'm not all that comfortable talking about this behind Sayaka's back. Can we format the talk to include her in it?
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I intend for us to have a talk with everyone about how today went so far, Homura and Sayaka included in everyone.
I'd just like to bring it up with Mami first.
Here's a funny idea we probably won't do:
This Memory Device, recall, can be modified to make people immune to Kyuubey.
[Because they can't notice or remember it, they can't form a contract.]
The device also seems to confer immunity to some forms of magic. (Notably, our own Grief control.)
I wonder if Homura would want to put that on Madoka?
This Memory Device, recall, can be modified to make people immune to Kyuubey.
[Because they can't notice or remember it, they can't form a contract.]
The device also seems to confer immunity to some forms of magic. (Notably, our own Grief control.)
I wonder if Homura would want to put that on Madoka?
AuraTwilight
The Sorcerer of Smiles
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- The Silver City
She absolutely would. It's like, most of the reason she approved us going to Asunaro.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
What about this? EDIT: And this.
[X] Niko.
-[X] You can see the use as a therapy tool, but only if Anri agrees to it (now or later).
--[X] It's a better last resort, in case Anri can't be contained otherwise.
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X] On the way, grab some scrap metal to fashion a bracelet (?) to cover and secure Anri's Anti Magic string.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Mami, O&K (private): Consult about going over today's events with everyone.
--[X] Goal: Convince Homura and Sayaka to loosen O&K's restrictions.
--[X] Points:
---[X] Observing O&K's adherence to our terms and their help.
---[X] Allowing O&K some range of movement within the city.
----[X] Telling Kirika's parents about magic.
---[X] Pushing to take O&K out on future missions.
[X] Niko.
-[X] You can see the use as a therapy tool, but only if Anri agrees to it (now or later).
--[X] It's a better last resort, in case Anri can't be contained otherwise.
[X] Wrap up and leave.
-[X] Try and acknowledge everyone's efforts.
-[X] Hugs.
[X] On the way, grab some scrap metal to fashion a bracelet (?) to cover and secure Anri's Anti Magic string.
[X]On the way back talk to:
-[X]O&K:
--[X] Ask to swap Aurora for the derrick witch.
--[X] Tell them about magic mingling.
-[X] Sayaka:
--[X] You want to talk with her in private later.
-[X] Mami, O&K (private): Consult about going over today's events with everyone.
--[X] Goal: Convince Homura and Sayaka to loosen O&K's restrictions.
--[X] Points:
---[X] Observing O&K's adherence to our terms and their help.
---[X] Allowing O&K some range of movement within the city.
----[X] Telling Kirika's parents about magic.
---[X] Pushing to take O&K out on future missions.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
^ Made an edit. Or two.
Not in perfect order, but there's quite a few things to do once we get back.
EDIT: Forgot the most important thing:
- Hug Homura.
- Arrive late for the Shiogama girl's and Nadia's arrival.
- Greet the Shiogama girls.
- Have a magically private conversation with Nadia. Prod carefully for Witchbomb. If Bombed, re-go over the Anri guarding thing.
- Contact Fukushima.
- Go over today's events with everyone, Homura included. Work towards O&K's freedom; in this vein, and in that of bringing parents in on the magic business, bring up telling Kirika's parents about magic.
- We gave Oriko a spot in our team. Push for everyone to OK taking O&K out on missions when needed.
- Have a private conversation with Sayaka. Carefully offer Witchbomb knowledge. Something else I'm forgetting?
- We might have to explain to Homura why we let Oriko social the crazy psychopath in our stead, inside a Barrier which completely blocked our senses of them.
-- Homura knows our desire to help everyone. Use this.
-- We acknowledge Homura's warnings to not trust Oriko, but we know what makes Oriko tick. What we asked Oriko to do, was something she needed. It did her well, and it worked.
-- Homura's trust in Sabrina is based on the fact Sabrina's methods work.
- Go to Fukushima with Anri.
EDIT: Talk with Homura alone first, before going into the talk with everyone in which we hope to help Oriko and Kirika.
Not in perfect order, but there's quite a few things to do once we get back.
EDIT: Forgot the most important thing:
- Hug Homura.
- Arrive late for the Shiogama girl's and Nadia's arrival.
- Greet the Shiogama girls.
- Have a magically private conversation with Nadia. Prod carefully for Witchbomb. If Bombed, re-go over the Anri guarding thing.
- Contact Fukushima.
- Go over today's events with everyone, Homura included. Work towards O&K's freedom; in this vein, and in that of bringing parents in on the magic business, bring up telling Kirika's parents about magic.
- We gave Oriko a spot in our team. Push for everyone to OK taking O&K out on missions when needed.
- Have a private conversation with Sayaka. Carefully offer Witchbomb knowledge. Something else I'm forgetting?
- We might have to explain to Homura why we let Oriko social the crazy psychopath in our stead, inside a Barrier which completely blocked our senses of them.
-- Homura knows our desire to help everyone. Use this.
-- We acknowledge Homura's warnings to not trust Oriko, but we know what makes Oriko tick. What we asked Oriko to do, was something she needed. It did her well, and it worked.
-- Homura's trust in Sabrina is based on the fact Sabrina's methods work.
- Go to Fukushima with Anri.
EDIT: Talk with Homura alone first, before going into the talk with everyone in which we hope to help Oriko and Kirika.
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- Illinois
Pax Mitakihara in a few easy steps, or: the Sayaka proposal.
Sooo. As we've recently discovered, Sayaka can maintain intercity clones.
I feel this raises a few key questions.
Foremost: can Sayaclones (heretofore referred to as pylons) project magic?
Supposing that they can, we have some interesting things to consider.
Proposal #1: Pax Sayaka.
Synopsis: pylons would be deployed to a city and instructed to terminate all local witches, halt all meguca-on-meguca conflict, and set up routine cleansing services via pylon-transported clear seeds. Likely result: all meguca-on-meguca conflict in Japan rapidly ceases. Unclear political fallout. Evaluation: very blue.
Proposal #2: Cleanse-by-phone.
Synopsis: a toll-free number would be circulated connecting to a hotline which would deploy pylons with clear seeds via teleportation. Likely result: a Sayaka-collar job. Evaluation: we should probably heavily consider doing this.
Proposal #3: Hug Mami.
Synopsis: Catgirl.
Okay, joking aside, this s kind of a big deal and I will try for a more srs treatment tomorrow.
Sooo. As we've recently discovered, Sayaka can maintain intercity clones.
I feel this raises a few key questions.
Foremost: can Sayaclones (heretofore referred to as pylons) project magic?
Supposing that they can, we have some interesting things to consider.
Proposal #1: Pax Sayaka.
Synopsis: pylons would be deployed to a city and instructed to terminate all local witches, halt all meguca-on-meguca conflict, and set up routine cleansing services via pylon-transported clear seeds. Likely result: all meguca-on-meguca conflict in Japan rapidly ceases. Unclear political fallout. Evaluation: very blue.
Proposal #2: Cleanse-by-phone.
Synopsis: a toll-free number would be circulated connecting to a hotline which would deploy pylons with clear seeds via teleportation. Likely result: a Sayaka-collar job. Evaluation: we should probably heavily consider doing this.
Proposal #3: Hug Mami.
Synopsis: Catgirl.
Okay, joking aside, this s kind of a big deal and I will try for a more srs treatment tomorrow.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Sayaklone now in Mitakihara used Flying magic to get to Mitakihara so, yes.
Only problem is that Sayaklone had trouble concentrating at school while Sayaka was active in Asunaro, but she managed thanks to Madoka's and Hitomi's help.
This is something we want Sayaka to have.
We didn't ask Sakura, but there's lots of teleportating meguca in China. We just need to communicate and get one to pop over here.
This is a big deal.
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Obviously, we would be asking for different security measures. Less extreme ones that leave the prisoner capable of being treated.
We should keep this or something like it. It gives Niko a way to use her mad scientist powers for good so that she doesn't feel like she's been of no help today.
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- USA, Midworld world line
Always ask Homura, not because she's always right, but because that is our relationship goal. Homura might like the status quo for Oriko, but she won't feel bad about discussing this.
Since we want to figure out how to broker peace between Sayaka and Oriko, we would do well to ask an expert. We Have them. Sayaka has parents, and they should go through the mediation first, and without her. This is a complex process, as first we will have to read them in on the magical girl facts of life. All of them. Do we use shock and awe? Powerpoint? A self-help manga from the hospital? "Now that your daughter is a Magical Girl?" Can we cleanse her mom's Grief buildup? This process could be quite rough, if QM so wishes, but consensus seems to be that we move to accomplish reconciliation soon? Of course Oriko has to help, but the guilty party needs support. If we play the whole process out first without Sayaka, Oriko's odds will go up for round two. Further, Kirika will be more relaxed, knowing that in material terms Oriko isn't at risk from angry parents. Angry Sayaka is a risk, but once the senior Mikis are persuaded, they can reduce Sayaka's impulsive behavior. Thus, she gets added to the talks halfway through. If parents say "Now Way!", we do not continue. Process fails.
If we want to use Sayaka's own reasoning to help get to our goal, she could be educated. Reading about the history and philosophy of historical justice would be very appropriate. It might gain her honest interest. And let her rationally compare outcomes before she placed in the judgment position. In fact, under tribal Nordic mores, wouldn't Oriko become property of the Miki family for some period upon conviction? Maybe she will see the wisdom of dismissal herself. If she doesn't making an honest request for her to re-evaluate, and then honoring the result, should not be damaging to relationships in general?
In fact, the Kures have not been under arrest very long, all things considered. The occasional option to get conscripted is probably as much as Oriko really needs. And cabin fever with Oriko is all Kirika wants out of life? We can ask Rionna for understanding in the future?
Everyone will get along much, much better after Walpurgisnacht? If we don't completely ace that fight, much of the urban population will be living in tent cities, giving prior traumas a much lesser status.
Re : Memory device ~ It can't be used as a therapy tool, until someone takes point as the therapist. Period.
Re: Therapists for Magical Girls ~ Other than us, Witchbombed magical girls are typically hardened people, not empaths. Ask Kyouko. We need mundane, zero potential pro help. At least, if Sabrina is supposed to be unable to negotiate with crazy, this should be a logical consequence. Get them now.
Re: Anri captivity ~ We are literally about to load the wagon and go home. Deciding where we bring her is really better settled right now? Or just cruise around until a whim strikes us? Not ready to go, until we settle where to bring her. @Redshirt Army had that gag idea one time, it would work????
Re : Niko ~ Our best course may have been @Wirikidor. If she tunes the device for anti-Kyuubey, AND set the effect to "wearer only" we have a great concession. First, Niko does a happy. Second, Homura gets a clever gift, not sure of her final opinion, but she'll feel the love. Third, we have decided that the Memory Device is in fact a weapon we are not ready to control. This will put the idea safely in parking. As for her helping us confine Anri, did I give out specific topics to ask her? We could adopt them... If they don't fit well enough, why not try some other set of specific requests? Talk science with the science girl. I think our most pending need are annunciating tripwire enchantments, so we know when the plan requires our presence to work. Simple countermeasures don't call for help. Strong countermeasures send status signals, and call for help. I did try to communicate this somewhat?
Re : Hijiri ~ Are we prepared to speak with her yet? If we are, this is my patter. But we are not ready, as a group of voters. Let us offer her a seed. But not an EVERLASTING clear seed. Pull out a bit more than regular from a full seed, so she has three or four weeks on it. No longer a military item, this can be safely dead-dropped or handed over. Tell her we can't make hers more capacious, due to the economic risk SHE faces as a loner. Offer to recycle seed, cleanse and heal her for free. Give her our standard explanation. Offer her a future in Mitakihara, even if she isn't sure about us yet. Law abiding citizens are welcome. Anri "committed serious crimes." Don't tell her details, see if she knows already. Anri is safe, and well, but must accept giving away her freedom for a while as punishment. If Hijiri doesn't like that, we need to pay for her conversation with Nadia. Learning more about her 'new' magical girl world will make Sabrina a much nicer neighbor for Hijiri. Because Knowing is Half the Battle!
@The Narrator I still didn't communicate my point clearly to you. My apology. You made this post about "what to say, and why" for Hijiri. :
Then you made a different post regarding Oriko, and STATED YOUR GOAL. YAY! :
Try doing something like this for Hijiri? First principles FTW.
Since we want to figure out how to broker peace between Sayaka and Oriko, we would do well to ask an expert. We Have them. Sayaka has parents, and they should go through the mediation first, and without her. This is a complex process, as first we will have to read them in on the magical girl facts of life. All of them. Do we use shock and awe? Powerpoint? A self-help manga from the hospital? "Now that your daughter is a Magical Girl?" Can we cleanse her mom's Grief buildup? This process could be quite rough, if QM so wishes, but consensus seems to be that we move to accomplish reconciliation soon? Of course Oriko has to help, but the guilty party needs support. If we play the whole process out first without Sayaka, Oriko's odds will go up for round two. Further, Kirika will be more relaxed, knowing that in material terms Oriko isn't at risk from angry parents. Angry Sayaka is a risk, but once the senior Mikis are persuaded, they can reduce Sayaka's impulsive behavior. Thus, she gets added to the talks halfway through. If parents say "Now Way!", we do not continue. Process fails.
If we want to use Sayaka's own reasoning to help get to our goal, she could be educated. Reading about the history and philosophy of historical justice would be very appropriate. It might gain her honest interest. And let her rationally compare outcomes before she placed in the judgment position. In fact, under tribal Nordic mores, wouldn't Oriko become property of the Miki family for some period upon conviction? Maybe she will see the wisdom of dismissal herself. If she doesn't making an honest request for her to re-evaluate, and then honoring the result, should not be damaging to relationships in general?
In fact, the Kures have not been under arrest very long, all things considered. The occasional option to get conscripted is probably as much as Oriko really needs. And cabin fever with Oriko is all Kirika wants out of life? We can ask Rionna for understanding in the future?
Everyone will get along much, much better after Walpurgisnacht? If we don't completely ace that fight, much of the urban population will be living in tent cities, giving prior traumas a much lesser status.
Re : Memory device ~ It can't be used as a therapy tool, until someone takes point as the therapist. Period.
Re: Therapists for Magical Girls ~ Other than us, Witchbombed magical girls are typically hardened people, not empaths. Ask Kyouko. We need mundane, zero potential pro help. At least, if Sabrina is supposed to be unable to negotiate with crazy, this should be a logical consequence. Get them now.
Re: Anri captivity ~ We are literally about to load the wagon and go home. Deciding where we bring her is really better settled right now? Or just cruise around until a whim strikes us? Not ready to go, until we settle where to bring her. @Redshirt Army had that gag idea one time, it would work????
Re : Niko ~ Our best course may have been @Wirikidor. If she tunes the device for anti-Kyuubey, AND set the effect to "wearer only" we have a great concession. First, Niko does a happy. Second, Homura gets a clever gift, not sure of her final opinion, but she'll feel the love. Third, we have decided that the Memory Device is in fact a weapon we are not ready to control. This will put the idea safely in parking. As for her helping us confine Anri, did I give out specific topics to ask her? We could adopt them... If they don't fit well enough, why not try some other set of specific requests? Talk science with the science girl. I think our most pending need are annunciating tripwire enchantments, so we know when the plan requires our presence to work. Simple countermeasures don't call for help. Strong countermeasures send status signals, and call for help. I did try to communicate this somewhat?
Re : Hijiri ~ Are we prepared to speak with her yet? If we are, this is my patter. But we are not ready, as a group of voters. Let us offer her a seed. But not an EVERLASTING clear seed. Pull out a bit more than regular from a full seed, so she has three or four weeks on it. No longer a military item, this can be safely dead-dropped or handed over. Tell her we can't make hers more capacious, due to the economic risk SHE faces as a loner. Offer to recycle seed, cleanse and heal her for free. Give her our standard explanation. Offer her a future in Mitakihara, even if she isn't sure about us yet. Law abiding citizens are welcome. Anri "committed serious crimes." Don't tell her details, see if she knows already. Anri is safe, and well, but must accept giving away her freedom for a while as punishment. If Hijiri doesn't like that, we need to pay for her conversation with Nadia. Learning more about her 'new' magical girl world will make Sabrina a much nicer neighbor for Hijiri. Because Knowing is Half the Battle!
@The Narrator I still didn't communicate my point clearly to you. My apology. You made this post about "what to say, and why" for Hijiri. :
Then you made a different post regarding Oriko, and STATED YOUR GOAL. YAY! :
Try doing something like this for Hijiri? First principles FTW.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
So, I organized some thoughts while I aslept.
I was talking with SWB earlier, and he had a few things to point out:
This I made a note in my previous post before passing out, but we should talk alone with Homura first, before talking with the whole group about today, if we're to push for O&K to get some extra freedom.
Homura's objections are timesloop stuff, and she can't bring that up in a group, rather, the group would be applying social pressure on Homu, and she'd just stonewall, most likely?
I might have not understood entirely, but talk with Homu first. This gives us a perfect opportunity to finally give Homu another hug before we start talking about things that'd make her not-want-to-hug-us-and-rather-murder-us.
Another thing is that, since Homura seemed actually quite fine letting us take O&K away from the city, there's a chance she might actually be OK with O&K leaving the house, as long as they're restricted to areas of the city well away from anyplace Madoka frequents.
In this vein, we could use today's Enchantment Session to (help Mami) develop some sort of magical tripwire we could stablish around the parts of the city O&K and Anri aren't supposed to cross. This way Homura wouldn't have to trust O&K to not breach our terms, even if they (supposedly) haven't done so, to date.
(O&K aren't supposed to know about magical tripwires.)
Also, thought: There's a dearth of meguca with large scale information gathering powers (why are you so useless, Sayaka? So many powers yet still useless), but Taniguchi Emi (Yukariguca) would probably be able to do this 'magical tripwire' effect rather easy, since it would be, literally, a boundary. We could use her help in confining future prisoners.
And though nobody asked, the line about telling Kirika's parents about magic was mentioned by Redshirt at some point, and if I understood correctly, it's meant to make it not just a right, but a responsibility for Kirika to get out of her usual confinement zone and back to her parent's house. Having Kirika's parents involved should take away some of the onus of deciding her punishment from our group's hands.
Unrelated to the O&K issue, also from SWB, we should have asked Nadia about bleeding heart megucas who would actually jump at the chance to help us, just for the sake of helping. We can rectify that, soon.
I was talking with SWB earlier, and he had a few things to point out:
This I made a note in my previous post before passing out, but we should talk alone with Homura first, before talking with the whole group about today, if we're to push for O&K to get some extra freedom.
Homura's objections are timesloop stuff, and she can't bring that up in a group, rather, the group would be applying social pressure on Homu, and she'd just stonewall, most likely?
I might have not understood entirely, but talk with Homu first. This gives us a perfect opportunity to finally give Homu another hug before we start talking about things that'd make her not-want-to-hug-us-and-rather-murder-us.
Another thing is that, since Homura seemed actually quite fine letting us take O&K away from the city, there's a chance she might actually be OK with O&K leaving the house, as long as they're restricted to areas of the city well away from anyplace Madoka frequents.
In this vein, we could use today's Enchantment Session to (help Mami) develop some sort of magical tripwire we could stablish around the parts of the city O&K and Anri aren't supposed to cross. This way Homura wouldn't have to trust O&K to not breach our terms, even if they (supposedly) haven't done so, to date.
(O&K aren't supposed to know about magical tripwires.)
Also, thought: There's a dearth of meguca with large scale information gathering powers (why are you so useless, Sayaka? So many powers yet still useless), but Taniguchi Emi (Yukariguca) would probably be able to do this 'magical tripwire' effect rather easy, since it would be, literally, a boundary. We could use her help in confining future prisoners.
And though nobody asked, the line about telling Kirika's parents about magic was mentioned by Redshirt at some point, and if I understood correctly, it's meant to make it not just a right, but a responsibility for Kirika to get out of her usual confinement zone and back to her parent's house. Having Kirika's parents involved should take away some of the onus of deciding her punishment from our group's hands.
Unrelated to the O&K issue, also from SWB, we should have asked Nadia about bleeding heart megucas who would actually jump at the chance to help us, just for the sake of helping. We can rectify that, soon.
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- Location
- USA
A possible suggestion for @The Phoenixian @Onmur @Redshirt Army and all to consider, as far as talking down The Brain's idea with memory editing without making her feel too horrible.
Instead of a moral argument (how could you alter someones memories thats the core of her soul! A person is a dump of their memories and no more! ....oh wait, you mean you did that to yourself and Hijiri effectively? wish-rejection ho!) ,
how about from a practical perspective? Ask her what specifically she'd do (does she merely forget names/locations but know theres meguca she hates for killing her friend; does she alternately remember everything but gets distracted temporarily whenver she thinks of them, otherwise?) to effect her idea, and bring up the possibility that her feelings towards the Pleiades are such a large percentage of who Anri is and her behaviour right now, so twisted throughout her psyche , that suddenly cutting it away would cause lingering damage and possibly some sort of psychotic break?
The wish-rejection issue was brought up by others (Did Anri wish for vengeance) , but whether or not its accurate (she wished to be Yuuri) its a seperate matter from the mental-stability question. I'm thinking of other memory-editing series (some HP fanfiction, some WoD/Vampire) where people's minds seem to essentially bash against the door locking away the memory and get bruised up in the process. Fixated on whats missing, trying to fill the gaps with other scraps it conjures. Unpredictable even where its not damaging.
If Niko has a way around these issues (it just removes the names/address without the underlying memory being touched, or just distracts) I don't actually see any real moral issue to using it? Its temporary, we don't know any side effects, and it keeps her aware to be rehabilitated where the Freezer doesn't. If it would damage her in lingering ways however, Niko can see that herself and hopefully feel better about rejecting the idea than if we just went off on her two tries in a row.
Anyways, I don't want to make a thirty eighth attempt at diplomancying Hijiri in the span of an hour altogether, but I think a no-response-expected summary of Anri's actions and status tossed at her might be harmless? No offer to meet or anything just yet, merely an afterthought on the way to the rest of the plan.
So maybe
[X] The Phoenixian
for now. Assuming they're mostly copying Onmur and Redshirt besides that one line?
Instead of a moral argument (how could you alter someones memories thats the core of her soul! A person is a dump of their memories and no more! ....oh wait, you mean you did that to yourself and Hijiri effectively? wish-rejection ho!) ,
how about from a practical perspective? Ask her what specifically she'd do (does she merely forget names/locations but know theres meguca she hates for killing her friend; does she alternately remember everything but gets distracted temporarily whenver she thinks of them, otherwise?) to effect her idea, and bring up the possibility that her feelings towards the Pleiades are such a large percentage of who Anri is and her behaviour right now, so twisted throughout her psyche , that suddenly cutting it away would cause lingering damage and possibly some sort of psychotic break?
The wish-rejection issue was brought up by others (Did Anri wish for vengeance) , but whether or not its accurate (she wished to be Yuuri) its a seperate matter from the mental-stability question. I'm thinking of other memory-editing series (some HP fanfiction, some WoD/Vampire) where people's minds seem to essentially bash against the door locking away the memory and get bruised up in the process. Fixated on whats missing, trying to fill the gaps with other scraps it conjures. Unpredictable even where its not damaging.
If Niko has a way around these issues (it just removes the names/address without the underlying memory being touched, or just distracts) I don't actually see any real moral issue to using it? Its temporary, we don't know any side effects, and it keeps her aware to be rehabilitated where the Freezer doesn't. If it would damage her in lingering ways however, Niko can see that herself and hopefully feel better about rejecting the idea than if we just went off on her two tries in a row.
Anyways, I don't want to make a thirty eighth attempt at diplomancying Hijiri in the span of an hour altogether, but I think a no-response-expected summary of Anri's actions and status tossed at her might be harmless? No offer to meet or anything just yet, merely an afterthought on the way to the rest of the plan.
So maybe
[X] The Phoenixian
for now. Assuming they're mostly copying Onmur and Redshirt besides that one line?
The Narrator
Disembodied Voice
- Location
- Somewhere Offscreen
Wasn't really stating a goal regarding Oriko, just pointing out why the course of action that people were advocating was a lot more complex than they were making it out to be.
Frankly, I'm still not entirely clear on what you're asking. If you're asking what my ultimate goal is for trying to talk to Hijiri, I assumed that was self-evident: to convince her to turn away from her current path. A path that is leading her into evil and insanity which, in canon, resulted in her becoming a super-villain and trying to destroy the entire city. To make her amenable to having an actual honest dialogue wherein we can correct the misconceptions that she's using to justify this bullshit so some sort of peace and reconciliation can be achieved.
Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
Ohhhh, right. I keep forgetting about that.
- Location
- Illinois
I know, right!?!? Same here. But... Yeah, so, we should now have a teleport-capable cloner. It's not clear what limitations might be on the teleport. So... I mean...
The thing is, the clones are disposable. There's zero reason to not have Sayaka train by sending clones into barriers (does that work? Does the barrier disconnect the clone?).
But... Perhaps most interestingly, there is the thought of keeping the original with us and strapping a multitasking booster to her. Which is the basic premise (if I failed to convey it thoroughly, which I think I did) behind Pax Sayaka.
All she would really need would be the ability to manage two clones at once. One in school, one fighting. Teleport back and forth to offer cleanses via clear seed while keeping the clear seed in mitakihara. Three clones would let her do that and start killing off witches, if she can have them enter barriers. We could impose the Blueberry's peace on half of Japan in a week if we don't count Tokyo. And we wouldn't even leave Mitakihara unless someone stole the clear seed, at which point we'd drop an annoyed Sabrina on them for a couple seconds and then teleport back.
There are a lot of failure points to this, but they're all in the initial execution -- the booster might not work on clones outside our range or whatever. If we get the setup, the only thing that could stop Sayaka would be a mindwhammy -- if you kill the clone she just teleports a new one right in, and she has infinite magic because she's sitting next to us. But we can strap a grief device to her for that, too, if it becomes an issue. The big hangup, I guess, is what happens if she can't have clones enter barriers. Because then offering free cleansing removes the reward for killing witches and lots of people start dying.
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Onmur
Archangel of Nutella.
I don't think Sayaka/Saki can bring passengers when teleporting, but giving Sayaka the task to attempt to kill all the Witches in the world sounds like a nice lvl2 quest.
It's not an absolute no on the memory device, I think, depending on what it can do.
What if it could just impose a… distance upon memories of and ideas of vengeance upon the Pleiades? She can still think those thoughts, but it's not intrusive to the point of occupying the whole of her mind.
Now that I say all that I wonder if this is actually worse.
- Location
- Illinois
Hm. So, if she fumbled the clear seed there would be issues, but otherwise not really. Just killing the witches would be bad (not taking the grief seeds to avoid starving the locals), I wrote up a thought line on that, it goes "free seeds per territory means high territory value and lots of free magic to fight over territory with." So, she does need to engage with the meguca.
But I mean... She's naturally powerful. If she does this she'll start to rapidly pick up combat skill, "life/death" scenarios tend to do that. She'll outscale people really, really fast, and she'll be picking up new powers at a disgusting rate. This is... It's "go prevent meguca from killing each other." This isn't a temporary measure or something, this is seriously a potential route to basically imposing a peace on Japan inside quest scope. We can do this. It's more a question of whether the people involved want to...
I'm not saying we should say that we're going to do this. But I think we should raise the idea to Sayaka and Mami. The primary objection to imposing a peace on Japan was always that we should remain in Mitakihara where reasonable, which still holds. But we no longer need to leave Mitakihara to do this.
(And Firn can not be forced to write 5x as much material by glossing over what Sayaka is doing where possible.)
Give me liberty or give me death. This is not a dissimilar issue.