Nice! I've never played ME, but I've read a few fanfic about it. I wonder what the world building for the Citadel races be.

Aw man you are definitely missing out, I would definitely recommend looking into the series... well, at least for the first few installations. It's pretty expansive, some of the races don't even share a biological basis with Earthbound life. (The Turians)

Turian: Aggressive action to stop any new Relay openings.

Hah, the first thing they did was open the relay and invade/occupy a human colony. Oh those turians...
 
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Looking at the map, I can't help but feel like there are some opportunities we could take to rationalize our borders with the Yellow Zone. That is, we could greatly shorten the frontline against Nod by doing focused offensives into certain Yellow Zones up directly to the Red Zones. The most likely areas we could pull it off are Eastern Australia, the Iberian peninsula (Spain), western Europe (France, Germany, Poland), Nova Scotia, and North Africa.

Why these spots? Well, they all share some common features. 1. Relative lack of strategic depth to the Yellow Zone. 2. Natural features like large bodies of water or the Red Zone provide hard borders that are difficult to cross and provide passive defenses we can exploit, simplifying the defensive situation.

Trying to take any or all of these would be a massive undertaking and directly strike at Nod's industrial and manpower base (though some more than others, North Africa is mostly territory in the Sahara, and thus hardly populated). It wouldn't surprise me in the least if taking them is the catalyst for Tib War 4. It is sorely tempting though to both deal damage and improve our strategic situation.
 
Aw man you are definitely missing out, I would definitely recommend looking into the series... well, at least for the first few installations. It's pretty expansive, some of the races don't even share a biological basis with Earthbound life. (The Turians)
I never was that into video games, my parents wouldn't want us to have them and now I'm studying at university, so don't really have the time 😁 But I'll look into the lore.🙂
 
I think more often the result is death.
Pretty much.
It is still radioactive, if I remember correctly, with all expected consequences.
I think the only race with nearly universal adaptation to Eezo were the Asari, because they literally were genetically engineered to be from the beginning.
The rest adapted to it with medical procedures and cybernetic implants and it still resulted in a lot of deaths before being successful.
 
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It also implies that we'll never let the Forgotten off of Earth. That's a huge group of people that such policies would place under massive travel restrictions just because of what they were born as or even mutated into.
The Forgotten have 'deactivated' Tiberium inside them. (It doesn't eat them from the inside out, for one thing.) Unless there's some way to re-activate it, which there doesn't seem to be, then there shouldn't be any reason to restrict them from going outside the solar system.
 
The Forgotten have 'deactivated' Tiberium inside them. (It doesn't eat them from the inside out, for one thing.) Unless there's some way to re-activate it, which there doesn't seem to be, then there shouldn't be any reason to restrict them from going outside the solar system.
Admittedly, some stories do have it so there's various grades of Tiberium Mutant, with the 'higher' grade ones having more active tiberium. Others just have it so higher grade mutants need more exposure to Tiberium or it's radiation to stay healthy. If either of those apply in this (probably not the former going by what's been said so far) then some of the Forgotten might be unable to leave the Solar System and stay healthy/alive due to the absolutely certain restrictions on Tiberium. Unless it's to one of the other systems the Scrin have already seeded. Because yeah, there is no way in hell that the GDI are allowing Tiberium which hasn't been converted into a perfectly stable and inert version which can't be reverting to 'active' Tiberium off of either Earth or Venus.

Anyone who actually tries to do so will likely be shortly afterwards visited by InOps for interrogation as to when they became a Nod agent and who their contacts are, after being arrested by the nearest military or law enforcement personnel.
 
Cerberus: I'm doing this because I care. This is for your own good

GDI InOps wants to know your location.

You just gave me a horrifying vision of NOD slowly becoming this universe's version of Cerberus. Going underground and turning into a secret society of sorts as soon as they come to an accord with GDI or lose, working towards a better future for humanity involving Eezo and Tiberium.

Nod would be the better option. They have a better track record then Cerberus and that's saying something.

And Tiberium probably gets a lot easier to deal with if you are a united, galactic society that has very advanced gravity manipulation tech and can easily evacuate planets.

If Tiberium does get out? I would not be surprised to see multiple planets overrun immediately if th other races have not had access to it before. Because of this attitude. It is dangerous and mutates.

Turian: Aggressive action to stop any new Relay openings.

GDI: That was a dick move to attack us. We totally understand *nervously glances at Tib*

Canon

Turian: No unauthorized Relay openings.

Systems Alliance: No you can't just attack me for not knowing the law.

Thread

Chad Turian: No unauthorized Relay openings.

Chad GDI: No unauthorized rocks.
 
Because as we all know, no parent ever talks online about their children. Especially if they post in some sort of parenting thread which GDIOnline probably has.
Just because many people do it, doesn't mean it's right or healthy to expose your children at such a young age to social media. Especially later in school your children could end up bullied for that. Just don't do that. It's a stupid idea done by stupid people. Keep private things private.
Finally, have you ever heard of Facebook? Instagram? People post this shit all the time and quite often they forget to change their privacy settings.
And they all deserve the same Darwin award.
 
The GDI is an all-consuming security state with total penetration of society that makes the Stasi look like hilariously incompetent amateurs. Yeah we recently resurrected the trappings of democracy, and even respect them (as long as they don't try and get in the bureaucrats' way too much), but we started the game as a military dictatorship and the InOps panopticon is practically a cultural institution after generations under it. Stuff like "tracking the real-time location of every sapient being in the solar system" isn't weird fantasy dystopia that our people would rebel against it's been standing policy for decades.

Keeping Tiberium locked down in the heart of the panopticon with only one way in or out wouldn't be that hard. Could the STG steal a research sample eventually if they really really wanted to? Yeah, technically possibly they might eventually be able to come up with the right combination of trickery and bribery and extortion to smuggle out a crystal in a suitcase. But it wouldn't be quick or easy and it probably results in them losing containment and ZOCOM having to go rescue Sur'Kesh rather than our monopoly on infinite rare metals being broken or whatever.
 
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Let's do it and basically fuck Krukov's dreams in the arse before he even gets them off the ground. Negate all his expenditure that way.
It's a big project and we have a lot else on our plates.

If we want a direct counter to the flying battleship, our best bet is to develop those plasma-warhead missiles. Those would hit harder than our existing air-to-air missiles, which are largely designed around fragmentation to kill small, very lightly armored targets.

Honestly, the Krukov's secret project being just a supership, calms me down a lot.
It will inevitably run into problems that all similar things face: square-cube law, being biggest thing to shoot at, being propaganda target, maintainance demands...
True. On the other hand, we know flying hover battleships are a viable weapon platform in this technological era, so it's probable that it'll be good for something, even if we can figure out ways to mob it.

Not really, it also probably changed the political priorities of the Welfare Department because there is another leader in charge. For all we know they might be more focused on hardening our medical sector for the next war on Nod than on educating refugees in the future. As a totally random example.
The new secretary is likely to be appointed by Litvinov, or by the legislative majority that backs Litvinov up, if I recall how GDI's government works. So she'll probably continue to make a push on whichever projects Litvinov considers important. There'll be differences, but it'll be like the differences we'd see if we'd picked Sarang Mikoyan to run the Treasury instead of Seo. We'd still be doing a lot of the same things, just not all the same things.
 
I'm firmly in the camp that we need to be using our dice to recheck the departments before our negligence leaves the door open for a master stroke.
 
Humans are way too valuable to go around casually exposing to highly toxic substances. Even if we start dealing in large quantities of eezo, GDI hazmat protocol starts at "paranoid" and scales up from there. "How to put on a sealed environmental suit in 45 seconds when the alarms go off" is probably something every kid gets taught like stop-drop-and-roll, our building codes just assume that all human spaces need to be capable of functioning as sealed environments in an emergency, and we do as much remotely dangerous industrial work possible with robots safely far away from any meatbags wherever possible. Even if we get the traditional industrial accident (or "accident") that scatters a cloud of eezo over a major city, that probably results in emergency lockdowns and cleanup crews swarming the site to sweep up every last microgram while giving any exposure cases top priority medical treatment, not just lol'ing while pregnant women get exposed to the highly toxic magic space rock - we know how that went last time. Human biotics could pretty easily just never become a thing, at least until humans get out into the wider galaxy outside of GDI control.
 
I'm firmly in the camp that we need to be using our dice to recheck the departments before our negligence leaves the door open for a master stroke.
We haven't really ever been negligent when it comes to security reviews? We are expected to do them at least once per plan (16 turns), and we typically try to get them done within 12 turns. And now that we have 4 bureau dice, we are probably going to be checking them even more often.

We might accelerate our review of services due to the combination of the secretary of welfare being assassinated and the GDIOnline update though.
 
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There must be some way to do it w
In a humane way.
Super soldiers are, as far as I remember, more something that the Brotherhood of Nod creates and that too neither ethically nor humanly.
The GDI is more interested in improving its soldiers through equipment and training.
A commando soldier is ultimately an exceptional soldier who is equipped with the best the GDI can produce.
I think this trend will continue.
 
Newsflash- we're not bringing Tiberium fuel cells into space. The public is upset we're building some on Earth. We will flat out lose our job if we put a single Tiberium fuel cell into space.

How many Somalian pirates do we see hijacking shipments of nuclear weapons material? How many people are offended at the idea of governments responding to attempts to steal nuclear material with lethal force?

The idea you think it takes micromanaging every single human when the government has a monopoly on the use of, refining of, and harvesting of tiberium is the real baffling part.

You and I are talking past one another. You can't concieve of the government being so overbearing about Tiberium, I'm saying it already is- that we have received warning shots across the bow for our actions, and that we are laughably far from seeing LT-power plants spread. There's a decent chance the literal 1st phase is the last we ever do, and it's possible that doesn't even finish.


Why on Earth would GDI not check every single ship going through the relay as a matter of course? Or stopping at Earth? Or Venus? You seem to be under the impression there's going to be a bunch of commercial traffic to hide among? There's going to be a major tariff barrier with Citadel space, the relatively specialized cooperatives, and then there's going to be state-owned corporation efforts- which by their very nature are going to allow a lot of government oversight.

Moreover where are they going to get in contact with the very few corrupt humans that are in a position to a) be contacted, b) get the material, and c) have the resources to deliver this, d) can hide all this super incriminating evidence from InOps. This is not an instance of someone stealing a bit of gold out of the mines, GDI is going to vet every single person involved with gathering Tib. And with EVA and AI, it's going to be increasingly hard to find these humans with government background checks who are hilariously corrupt and amoral enough to proliferate the thing that's universally blamed for the death of billions.

There are several worlds of distance from material 'randomly' falling off backs of trucks and stealing Tiberium when we're at the point of being in contact with ME.
You are treating tab power as if it was a tarp option I adamantly disagree that we would get given a trap auction.
 
Super soldiers are, as far as I remember, more something that the Brotherhood of Nod creates and that too neither ethically nor humanly.
The GDI is more interested in improving its soldiers through equipment and training.
A commando soldier is ultimately an exceptional soldier who is equipped with the best the GDI can produce.
I think this trend will continue.

Dont worry science will find a way.
 
Super soldiers are, as far as I remember, more something that the Brotherhood of Nod creates and that too neither ethically nor humanly.
The GDI is more interested in improving its soldiers through equipment and training.
A commando soldier is ultimately an exceptional soldier who is equipped with the best the GDI can produce.
I think this trend will continue.

Right. GDI has seen peak Commando performance and it's Havoc. Expect more people firing left handed.
 
You are treating tab power as if it was a tarp option I adamantly disagree that we would get given a trap auction.

It's explicitly political suicide to so much as suggest putting Tiberium in any form in space right now. Small-scale deployment of a few test bunkers in the middle of nowhere on Earth is already causing mass public opposition to the concept of Tib power, and it's not going to be politically feasible to do more than a few phases of LT power planetside if the cost keeps increasing like the flavor text suggests. The military wants absolutely nothing to do with LT power in their vehicles, they're content to keep running on combustion or fission by all indications so far.

It's not a trap option, because trap implies a hidden downside that we couldn't see beforehand. The downsides of LT power are very clear, primary among them being "everyone fucking hates the very concept of Tib power and the only reason you can suggest this at all is the Director owes you a favor."
 
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Super soldiers are, as far as I remember, more something that the Brotherhood of Nod creates and that too neither ethically nor humanly.
The GDI is more interested in improving its soldiers through equipment and training.
A commando soldier is ultimately an exceptional soldier who is equipped with the best the GDI can produce.
I think this trend will continue.
The Humane way would be researching and designing the hell out of cybernetic micro-nodules that contain a heavily isolated Eezo chamber joined with a Neural interface VI. Then implant it into the entire population through health clinics. Giving everyone Telekinesis.

Furthermore, free of charge and covered by GDI's Treasury like the rest of healthcare!


Making Super Soldiers is supremacist. The inherent core of the idea of it is making more powerful individuals than the average, to create an imbalance and hierarchy. Yes, I am quoting MCU's Zemo here.
I am of the Syndrome (The Incredibles) school of thought regarding Supers: "Everyone can become a super! And when everyone's super. No one will be."
So what? Some people will enter the military and become Biotic soldiers, others may decide to do extreme Eezo enabled sports or do some crazy moving aerial art performances.
Like people around here only think of Biotics as a weapon and not an industrial, infrastructural and economic multiplier.
Imagine someone carrying around ten tons of cargo without needing a power armor or a lift fork! Now that is a use for Biotics I find as spectacular or more than Combat Biotics.
 
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Any thoughts on putting off tib power until after the elections? It would mean probably postponing to Q3 of next year.

I'm fine putting it off forever, or at least until we back ourselves into a situation where we NEED +8 power and can't get it out of HI for whatever reason. It's not necessary to keep ourselves afloat next turn and fusion power should be able to keep us going through the rest of the FYP as long as we give HI free dice (which we were going to have to do to keep up with our targets anyways).

I was fine chucking a die at it to see what happened last turn, but facing mass public opposition the turn before the election is not a good time to push politically controversial projects.
 
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