With the completion of Philly 5, you will be at 4000 seats. Technically speaking you can support 5500+ but it won't reach that point due to a mix of nonvoters and the underaged.

Free Market Party: 4d100
Market Socialist Party: 8d100
Militarist Party: 11d100
Initiative First: 2d100
United Yellow List: 3d100
Starbound: 7d100
Socialist Party: 7d100
 
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I will also have to say Crucible has a Noble goal but one that will fail just too much Bad blood with anything remotely related to Kane(and his "faith") and well INOPS will be having a word about that. Still even if it's fictional I can respect taking the stand even if it will fail.
Yeah, INOPS will be giving them a lot of support.

This is a perfect way to subvert a large amount of Noddy support in the Blue/Green Zones. A way that wont blow up in thier faces as badly as all thier other attempts have in the past.

Hell, he has my vote.

What I am thinking right now is 1d10-4 or 1d10-6 for the Open Hand Party. It probably will get exactly nothing done, because other parties will hate them on principle, but it might well win some seats.
I'd make those negatives, positive myself. Or drop them entirely. The Open Hand should easily be able to get a few hundred thousand votes. Yes they should be a small party initially, but even 16 seats in GDI's parliament is really insignificant. It would take some serious parliamentary dead-lock for someone to remember they exist (beyond certain party's that is) for thier votes to ever matter.
 
The first one. I imagine the second would be pretty easy. Just program it to have no standards whatsoever.


Pretty sure InOps is using the party to trap actual noddies. Sure, it's a legit political party with admirable views and people who believe in the cause, but you set the trap where the game goes.

It's the old joke about the Communist Party meeting made up of nothing but alphabet agency infiltrators.
 
Yeah, INOPS will be giving them a lot of support.

This is a perfect way to subvert a large amount of Noddy support in the Blue/Green Zones. A way that wont blow up in their faces as badly as all their other attempts have in the past.

Hell, he has my vote.
Not what I meant when I said INOPS would be having a word with him but well it's a lot more positive interpretation then what I had.

I'd also say a lot of former Noddies have already been subverted by outreach that we have done as is to show how much the various confessors of NOD have lied about us we don't need a political party to subvert the rank and file, The actions we have done ever since we started playing is enough to "convert" or at least abandon NOD and join us. In the end OHP is a great ideal but will never be more then a fringe party with a few seats at best it's just not popular in the wider GDI.
 
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I suspect part of the reason for the negatives isn't just hostility for Nod in general but also because it sounds like this party is very much a last-minute idea. Like a lot of people who might theoretically vote for it might not even know it exists yet. It also probably doesn't have a lot of infrastructures, connections, or organization set up yet. If they manage to get that set up by the next election we might see some tangible results for them. Though I doubt they will ever be anything more than a minority party they might yet have a voice.
 
I suspect part of the reason for the negatives isn't just hostility for Nod in general but also because it sounds like this party is very much a last-minute idea. Like a lot of people who might theoretically vote for it might not even know it exists yet. It also probably doesn't have a lot of infrastructures, connections, or organization set up yet. If they manage to get that set up by the next election we might see some tangible results for them. Though I doubt they will ever be anything more than a minority party they might yet have a voice.

Crucible has been around before. He's been contemplating running for some time.

But yes, he's basically running this as a complete noob, and the way he is used to working is not how GDI does things, which doesn't help.
 
YellowZon3r
I might put my next vote towards developmentalists. Maybe maybe free market party. Yes, shocking I know. "YellowZon3r aren't you a UYL supporter?!" Well, yes. But broadly speaking a bunch of voters where I am are drifting towards the Developmentalists. Which, is fair, their manifesto is broadly similar, but frankly a bunch of the UYL are still getting stuck in the victim mindset. We don't need special exceptions or preferential treatment, just actual equality. It was great when we needed the help, and needed our own interest to counter initiative first fuckery. But some people are lazy and would rather just take handouts from the state welfare budget rather than work. "But that doesn't explain why free market party?" Well hang on, I'm getting there. See it doesn't seem to be a priority for developmentalists, but, there's a market and where there's a market the fmp seem willing to step in. Hear me out. AI Waifu's. With more advanced EVA's, developments in synthetic skin and organs. Well. Men are expendable, but soon so are women. There's a start-up, they've done the research. They have the Math. AI waifu's. Cheaper than getting married. Enjoy it while it lasts staceys. With iron wombs and Ai waifu's you'll soon be obsolete.

Well that's a take.

Like make a robot that can have babies. That is certainly one vision of the future.

Depends, are you asking how long until an AI starts dating a human? Or before one will date YellowZon3r? Because those are two very different questions.

Part of me is like never but also like there's no reason to assume an AI would think like us. I would hope our AI daughters would have better taste.
 
I suspect part of the reason for the negatives isn't just hostility for Nod in general but also because it sounds like this party is very much a last-minute idea. Like a lot of people who might theoretically vote for it might not even know it exists yet. It also probably doesn't have a lot of infrastructures, connections, or organization set up yet. If they manage to get that set up by the next election we might see some tangible results for them. Though I doubt they will ever be anything more than a minority party they might yet have a voice.
It is also that a lot of the GDI mediasphere and influence networks are unlikely at best to give them a fair shake. Because to a lot of people the Brotherhood of nod is Capital E Evil, and needs to be destroyed to the last willing member, and some go further than that. So having a party that calls itself a Reformist Brotherhood of Nod is not going to go over well.
Yes there is a fairly significant built in voting base, but when nearly everyone else is at most going to hold you up as an organization that gets purged when they take their rightful place (cough, Initiative First, cough) well, it is hard to get out the vote.
 
With the completion of Philly 5, you will be at 4000 seats. Technically speaking you can support 5500+ but it won't reach that point due to a mix of nonvoters and the underaged.

Free Market Party: 4d100
Market Socialist Party: 8d100
Militarist Party: 11d100
Initiative First: 2d100
United Yellow List: 3d100
Starbound: 7d100
Socialist Party: 7d100
Any Independent Parties or did those finally fold into the larger groups? More available seats might cause more parties to spawn, but I can understand not wanting to have to keep track of two dozen different minor parties.

I see the Militarists have proven themselves the better party in the 'we support the military' debate. Probably because Initiative First pivoted away from a focus on military matters after they lost the first fight when the Hawks split. They probably saw it was a losing battle and instead focused on gaining the guaranteed support of the Blue Zone supremacists rather than start another losing fight to try and win back the military vote.

Also NOD is really stepping up attacks so the Militarists are probably using that to boost their position a lot.
 
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Any Independent Parties or did those finally fold into the larger groups? More available seats might cause more parties to spawn, but I can understand not wanting to have to keep track of two dozen different minor parties.
I have not found that independent parties matter particularly much to be honest. Like, they exist and that is about it. So you will probably have a couple hundred in Parliament, but it is just a long list of nobodies for the most part.
 
Any Independent Parties or did those finally fold into the larger groups? More available seats might cause more parties to spawn, but I can understand not wanting to have to keep track of two dozen different minor parties.

I see the Militarists have proven themselves the better party in the 'we support the military' debate. Probably because Initiative First pivoted away from a focus on military matters after they lost the first fight when the Hawks split. They probably saw it was a losing battle and instead focused on gaining the guaranteed support of the Blue Zone supremacists rather than start another losing fight to try and win back the military vote.

Also NOD is really stepping up attacks so the Militarists are probably using that to boost their position a lot.

We get a short list of independents that seem interesting, but they generally have maybe a dozen between them.

Nice for a bit of flavouring, but not really important as such.
 
With the completion of Philly 5, you will be at 4000 seats. Technically speaking you can support 5500+ but it won't reach that point due to a mix of nonvoters and the underaged.

Free Market Party: 4d100
Market Socialist Party: 8d100
Militarist Party: 11d100
Initiative First: 2d100
United Yellow List: 3d100
Starbound: 7d100
Socialist Party: 7d100

A 4000 seat congress. That's...how do you have a useful debate? Ever?
I can see two choices:
Everything is done in committee, and the whole 4k only does final votes
or
Parties are wildly cohesive, and have designated reps to handle floor debates, on a bill by bill basis

Either way you slice it, the way the GDI congress is, by necessity, a brand new way to run a government. Wild.
 
I just want to have Kane with a badly glued on mustache as as Director of GDI's department.
For his utter confusion.
 
A 4000 seat congress. That's...how do you have a useful debate? Ever?
I can see two choices:
Everything is done in committee, and the whole 4k only does final votes
or
Parties are wildly cohesive, and have designated reps to handle floor debates, on a bill by bill basis

Either way you slice it, the way the GDI congress is, by necessity, a brand new way to run a government. Wild.
What you probably see happen is that there's a bunch of 'sub' parliaments which do most of the discussion before hand based on geographical regions/the local Blue Zone. You then end up with the most prominent members of each region from the various parties which have relevant points stand up in the 'big debate' which is basically theatre because everyone knows how it's going to go due to already being debated in those unofficial sub-parliaments. But there might be a last minute piece of information or point that comes to someone which is important or perhaps what their party members conveyed was the thought from that Blue Zone was actually slightly different in an important manner. So they still have the final debate in case that happens.

Usually doesn't and just has everyone repeat already reasoned out arguments, but just in case... Also the fact that by having that final big debate of the whole parliament you have a scene of global unity coming together to work together for the future.

Just because it's political theatre does not mean it lacks meaning.
 
I expect coffe when finally releases is going to have in intifal rapid demand because of how much its been hyped by people. Then rapidly drop off because by now theres no people dependent on it (since we havent had it). So the only people that would by it are those who genuinely enjoy the taste. Even then most of those will be disappointed because they remember it tasting so much better. (Since after 10 years you'll only really remember the taste of the best or worst things)
 
I wouldn't be surprised if we hit 2500 to 3000 members of Parliament, mind you. But we need better communication infrastructure for more, and probably improve public morale too, to get more buy in from the public.
We have maximal communication infrastructure, literally- we ran out of communications projects to build, and the last phase of Orbital Communications was in large part focused around building redundancy and capacity to function independent of the Philadelphia's hub systems.

As to public morale, well, the massive cataclysms society has gone through do seem to have promoted political involvement. Everyone has, if not something they feel a fire in the belly to vote for, something they feel a fire in the belly to vote against.

With the completion of Philly 5, you will be at 4000 seats. Technically speaking you can support 5500+ but it won't reach that point due to a mix of nonvoters and the underaged.

Free Market Party: 4d100
Market Socialist Party: 8d100
Militarist Party: 11d100
Initiative First: 2d100
United Yellow List: 3d100
Starbound: 7d100
Socialist Party: 7d100
Expected approximate vote-share. I label parties that are definitely part of the "opposition" as orange, parties that are definitely part of what in a parliamentary system is called the "government" as blue, and parties I'm not entirely sure about as yellow.

Party
Median Seats
Median Vote Share
Previous Vote Share
Initiative First
101​
2.5%​
9.9%​
Free Market
202​
5.0%​
6.9%​
Socialist
353​
8.75%​
2.8%​
Development
1889*​
47.25% *​
35.5%​
Starbound
353​
8.75%​
8.6%​
Market Socialist
404​
10.0%​
18.4%​
United Yellow List
151​
3.75%​
8.4%​
Militarist
555​
13.75%​
13.1%​

*(Development seats would predictably be decreased slightly to adjust for independents, but there are probably not many independents, on the order of 1% of the legislature or 40 seats based on past precedent)



Assuming that party sizes remain more or less as expected with median dice rolls (they won't, but they'll likely be close, especially for the bigger parties)... And that I'm reading the dice properly...

Well, the Starbound and Militarist Parties probably aren't going to see a lot of change barring exceptionally good or bad rolls.

Initiative First is likely to crumble up into an almost irrelevant minority party, which is perhaps unsurprising given their total inability to achieve their agenda and inability to even pretend to be anything but a party of haters. Ozawa's rebranding of the party in the wake of the Militarists' defection from the Hawks has done a lot of damage to its credibility. One may even speculate that in the 2056 election a lot of the people who voted Initiative First were old Hawk Party supporters who trusted Ozawa and have since left the party in disgust, so they won't be coming back to IF in 2060.

I think the decisive moment may have been when IF presented that horrible slate of demands during reallocation and the compilation of the Third Four Year Plan. The rotten demands* were so obviously rotten, and there was so little there which actually benefited GDI as a whole unless you approached it from a viewpoint of anti-Yellow Zoner bigotry. I think that as a result, the IF leadership simultaneously:

1) Was humiliated by totally failing to get any promises to anything they wanted, even stuff we promised other parties like military projects, and
2) Was made to look super-bigoted by just the act of even having IF legislators standing up and demanding things like this.
_________________________

*("Spend No More than X die or Y resources (whichever is less) on Yellow Zone projects every quarter," "Build at least two phases of Blue Zone (Specialized) Arcologies," "Remove Yellow Zoners from Blue Zone Universities," "Deregulate Blue Zone Businesses," and hilariously "Nominate an Initiative First Deputy and Commit to stepping down after a single term.")

...

United Yellow List, IF's opposite, seems likely to crumble as well. This is probably because much of their population base has already moved into the Blue Zones. Also because much of what remains is beginning to identify as GDI citizens once again, to such an extent that after nearly a decade of GDI outreach to the 'shallow' Yellow Zones, they trust the normal GDI political parties to uphold their interests.

The Free Market Party is unlikely to grow and likely to shrink. Given that the prewar fully capitalist economy has been dead for over a decade and has largely revived in a new and less capitalist form, the FMP's core platform position that we need to bring back the markets to restore the prewar prosperity is seeming less and less plausible. They're probably going to gradually deflate over time, though they're already down to so few dice that their future is a bit high-variance.

...

The Socialist Party seems scheduled for a major expansion unless I'm miscalculating. The Market Socialists, meanwhile, seem likely to lose a lot of bulk, possibly much of it to the no-adjective Socialists and some of it to the Developmentalists.

Development itself seems to be slated to expand at the expense of some of the minor parties, growing from a party that is nowhere near large enough to govern by itself to something that can probably manage a majority in coalition with just about any single major party. If this does indeed happen, it's going to make Development relatively quite a lot more powerful and able to say "no" to coalition partners on issues that it doesn't value as much as they do.
 
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If anything, I kinda expect as the opposition seems less and less threatening that what ever big tent coalition the Developmentalists got going under the hood will start to break down and the party will splinter somewhat into narrower interests. Not split with acrimony necessarily, but it seems at this point there's very little need for the party to present a collective bargaining position to achieve its agenda.
 
I'd make those negatives, positive myself. Or drop them entirely. The Open Hand should easily be able to get a few hundred thousand votes. Yes they should be a small party initially, but even 16 seats in GDI's parliament is really insignificant. It would take some serious parliamentary dead-lock for someone to remember they exist (beyond certain party's that is) for thier votes to ever matter.
The way I figure it, if the Open Hand needs to roll a d10-X or d20-Y for number of seats, that's reflecting the X*10% or Y*5% chance that one of the following happens:

1) A GDI or Nod hardliner assassinates 'Crucible,' or at least puts them in the hospital, and their movement falls apart.
2) Some private or party-supported non-governmental operation discredits the party so massively that they can't get on the ballot.
3) InOps gets paranoid, drops the hammer, and shuts down the party entirely.
4) The Open Hand party slate does win seats, but the legislature activates some procedural rule and refuses to seat them. They probably have such a procedure, because Literally Kane could probably get 100,000 votes running on the Kane Lives Party just from meme-votes alone, and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to let him sit in the Big Dome.

It's not a percent chance that Open Hand would earn less than 100,000 votes in all of GDI given the chance, it's a percent chance reflecting all the shit that could go wrong for them to prevent that from happening.

Well that's a take.

Like make a robot that can have babies. That is certainly one vision of the future.
Minor nitpick:

Yell0wzon3r (or whatever) has, alas, fallen into a pretty straightforward technophile variant of real life incel/MRA mentality. He's not necessarily imagining a humanoid robot that can bear human children; the two 'functions' might be separate in his mind.

See... in his (misogynistic) perspective, women are only relevant because of two 'functions,' namely as sexual partners and as brood mares. If both functions can, separately or together, be replaced, women become (in his mind) irrelevant to society, at which point they would (he imagines) lose the (in his mind) excessive importance that (he believes) society has given them.

How he imagines this working out, I don't know, but it's entirely possible that he's imagining a robot girlfriend and a completely separate "iron womb" mechanism for bringing children to term, with the latter being fixed infrastructure in a hospital or something.

Guh, I feel bad even talking about this shit.

[spits]

I see the Militarists have proven themselves the better party in the 'we support the military' debate. Probably because Initiative First pivoted away from a focus on military matters after they lost the first fight when the Hawks split. They probably saw it was a losing battle and instead focused on gaining the guaranteed support of the Blue Zone supremacists rather than start another losing fight to try and win back the military vote.
As noted in my previous post, I think the IF kind of wrong-footed there, because it turned out that "Blue Zoners who desire military security against Nod" is a much more reliable voter support base than "Blue Zoners who hate and fear Yellow Zoners."

Among other things, a lot of the Blue Zone citizens we had at game start were probably, at one time, 'tiberium refugees' from some place that is now a Yellow or Red Zone. The median adult (probably born some time in the 2020s) remembers a time when the Zone boundaries were quite different, and probably has (or, grimly, had) family living in regions that are now, as noted, Yellow or Red Zones.

Defining the Blue Zones as a 'race' was always gonna be an uphill battle for IF.

Also NOD is really stepping up attacks so the Militarists are probably using that to boost their position a lot.
Although notably, the Militarists are not, as of right now, poised to gain much if any vote share unless they roll quite luckily. And the overall combined vote share of Initiative First and the Hawks put together is actually much thinner than the share the Hawk Party enjoyed in the early 2050s.

Speculatively, this is because despite the military situation heating up this year, the average GDI citizen's desire for military security is much closer to being satisfied now than it was in, say, 2052. Back then you could still see the bomb craters from the Third Tiberium War and it was barely five years ago that Nod had rampaged through the Blue Zones with the border fortifications largely down or bypassed. Now (or so it seems), Nod struggles to take even a single border fortress-city in the Green Zones, and generally fails!

I have not found that independent parties matter particularly much to be honest. Like, they exist and that is about it. So you will probably have a couple hundred in Parliament, but it is just a long list of nobodies for the most part.
One observed pattern is that independent parties tend not to matter much unless they're "cute," that is to say, unless the thread likes them and wants them to succeed.

However, it should be noted that in the 2054 reapportionment, you classified Starbound and the Socialists as independent minors, each with two representatives out of 120 then sitting in the legislature. Both have now risen from a 1.7% vote share in the legislature to the high single digits and have some actual clout. So having the tiny parties does help create ideas for how the legislature might continue to evolve, which is very much a good thing.

In the 2058 reapportionment, we had four independent minors, collectively holding twelve seats out of 1800: Biodiversity, Dominion, Reclamation, and Homeland.

The Dominion Party's demand for Salt Lake Planned City is just... amusing, the man's a meme to us (I'm guessing their singular representative is male).

But the Biodiversity Party comes across as people who actually have a point, and if they had anything to offer us they'd probably be getting what they wanted. Might happen anyway.

The Reclamation Party, likewise, might actually get what they want by accident; it's not as if we don't enjoy or desire building more tiberium mitigation. Though it'd be hard for us to hit their ambitious mitigation target on purpose alongside the ambitious RpT targets set by Development... which, of course, is an intentional game-mechanical thing on your end.

The Homeland Party is in the hilarious position of getting exactly what they wanted, completely by accident, despite being entirely ignored during reapportionment, because we made the Karachi promise to our new sub-director of infrastructure construction, who had a better carrot to offer us than they did. Metaphorically speaking, they're very likely to wake up one day and realize that the Treasury just did what they wanted, and it may well raise more hope and support for the prospect of reclamation of old lost homelands elsewhere in the world.

Indeed, I could easily imagine the Homeland Party, Reclamation Party, and fragments of the United Yellow List forming into a new party that has a "hawkish" political bent, but with the specific goal of promoting GDI's advance into, and clearance of, territories once lost to Nod, tiberium, or both. This would in some ways be a very realistic expression of the muscular and confident sentiments beginning to brew within GDI. I could see these parties thriving in the 2060 election or the 2064 election, depending on how events go; I could even see a realignment of parties outside of the election year as legislators shift, rearrange, or "cross the aisle" to form a new party.

We might call the thing I'm talking about... the 'Global Reclamation Party' or some such? Something harkening back to that slogan we keep hearing about how it's the Global Defense Initiative, not the Blue Zone Defense Initiative... :)

Now I'm thinking omakes. I don't think I've omake'd for this quest before... :)

A 4000 seat congress. That's...how do you have a useful debate? Ever?
How do you have a useful debate in a 435-seat congress, like the US's House of Representatives? Or a 650-seat legislature, like the UK's House of Commons? Realistically, the average member of either body does not get a chance to speak meaningfully on every issue, or even most issues.

I don't think the level of party cohesion you talk about is "wild" or all that novel compared to what already exists in real life in many democracies. It's just that as a practical matter, if you want to get to speak during a floor debate, you probably need a certain amount of clout, a formally defined position, or the support of numerous other legislators who all want to hear you speak.

If anything, I kinda expect as the opposition seems less and less threatening that what ever big tent coalition the Developmentalists got going under the hood will start to break down and the party will splinter somewhat into narrower interests. Not split with acrimony necessarily, but it seems at this point there's very little need for the party to present a collective bargaining position to achieve its agenda.
Arguably. What it seems to come down to is that there's a supermajority policy consensus on more or less what GDI is and what it should be doing... There's a certain amount of wobble between factions that try to stay inside the Developmentalist 'big tent' in hopes of having more leverage with the dominant political party, versus factions that step outside to form their own party in hopes of having more leverage by acting as an independent voter bloc.

I expect coffe when finally releases is going to have in intifal rapid demand because of how much its been hyped by people. Then rapidly drop off because by now theres no people dependent on it (since we havent had it). So the only people that would by it are those who genuinely enjoy the taste. Even then most of those will be disappointed because they remember it tasting so much better. (Since after 10 years you'll only really remember the taste of the best or worst things)
When caffeine becomes more widely available, I predict that people will start becoming dependent on it again in short order.

I just want to have Kane with a badly glued on mustache as as Director of GDI's department.
For his utter confusion.
But... Kane already has a mustache...

TWO mustaches!?

MADNESS!
 
Indeed, I could easily imagine the Homeland Party, Reclamation Party, and fragments of the United Yellow List forming into a new party that has a "hawkish" political bent, but with the specific goal of promoting GDI's advance into, and clearance of, territories once lost to Nod, tiberium, or both. This would in some ways be a very realistic expression of the muscular and confident sentiments beginning to brew within GDI. I could see these parties thriving in the 2060 election or the 2064 election, depending on how events go; I could even see a realignment of parties outside of the election year as legislators shift, rearrange, or "cross the aisle" to form a new party.

We might call the thing I'm talking about... the 'Global Reclamation Party' or some such? Something harkening back to that slogan we keep hearing about how it's the Global Defense Initiative, not the Blue Zone Defense Initiative.

This is actually something that would be interesting to see. And its reasonable growth from UYL, as their primary raison d'etre is making sure the green/yellow zones aren't forgotten about, as that becomes less of a priority it is reasonable for them to turn into a more expansionist party. To secure more of the yellow zones. We've already seen some of that with the Homeland Party. Their descriptive blub says "These guys are basically a splinter of the existing United Yellow List, and what they want is simple. To go home." Its reasonable for them to ally with Reclamation as their goals are aligned, both want the tib to be pushed back hard. I could see them coalescing into a more expansionist party, bolstered by connections to UYL.
 
I've never played Command & Conquer, but I now imagine Kane as a silly mad scientist that just looks intimidating. He looks badass when he making a speech or an announcement, but in private he has a room full of super weapons like the super explosion ray or exploding temple of doom. He also wears several different disguises and talks to people in internet chat rooms.
 
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