We don't know yet because it's up to QM, but we're all assuming the double nat 1s have resulted in a catastrophe that makes further tidal plants un-viable, if not destroys our existing tidal plants outright.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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Tidal died
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This.
Hell, we'll be lucky if we walk away having not immediately gone into the negatives, Energy-wise. That would put us into Crisis as opposed to just crisis.
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Could have taken the prievious phases
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We had plenty good reasons to stop where we did. It was hitting diminishing returns and fusion was coming into its own. So we pivoted to fusion until we had enough energy and stopped.
We took it up again this turn because it was cheap power when we were starved for income. Nobody thought the dice were going to do this.
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Neat.
So if we have NOD's counter jammers, and we make countermeasures for them, I guess that would mean we countered their counter-measures with our counter-countermeasures. Which means they would have to develop counter-counter-countermeasures.
Truly the tech race is never ending.
We are not ever going near Tiberium power except as maybe knowledge for knowledge's sake.
Nod first demonstrated the use of Catalyst weapons, one version of which allows them to blow up refined Tiberium at a distance, during the Third Tiberium War to blow up Harvesters and Refineries and vehicles running on Tiberium power.
They did it to GDI, and they even did it to the Scrin, who understand Tib better than we do.
Attempting to implement any sort of mass deployment of Tib power and the infrastructure required to support it is basically handing Nod a loaded gun after putting the muzzle against our temple.
Less painful ways of committing suicide.
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building an 1980s encrypted protocol
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That is the nature of EWAR.
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We are supposed to get 1 free die for finishing Philly phase 4, which is doable this turn. Philly phase 5 provides an extra die per category. I believe the general gist of the plan is finish Philly now that our income has gone from 585 to 710 we have a lot more room to throw dice around.
But we will need to commit to some processing plants this turn, on top of the average 4.3 to military and (potentially) 8.5 to orbital. Not doing the average this starting this turn means that the average requirement goes up. Those averages go up every turn delayed until a turn gets here and it becomes mathematically impossible to achieve.
But I'm just warning people now. No sense letting people forget until it's too late.
Our current power options are rapidly drying up and our energy needs only grow with each expansion. Unless we get more energy producing options we might not have any choice but to bite that bullet. Its a very bad situation.
I believe they're the Marked of Kane cyborg particle beams. (On the Enlightened cyborgs.) So, how they are applicable beyond infantry-scale weapons is up in the air.
Possible applications of these results that I don't think have been raised:
Repulsorcraft+Harvesting Tendrils: as well as ZOCOM being very happy, we are likely to get a completely redesigned and more effective/efficient harvester.
Electrolasers: even more zappy, I think these are the weapons from Lightning Spikes, so... not sure what the possibilities are, but probably interesting.
Hallucinogen Grenade Formula: either countermeasures, or perhaps a watered-down formula for a nonlethal incapacitant.
Tick Entrenchment System: possibly useful for construction?
We are working on Fusion power plants, and there is no indication that they will be "drying up". Why do you believe that it will be?
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Also keep in mind Inhibitors, those are very thirsty for power, and Tib power cells could be a much cheaper way of powering them. As always, none of these options exist in a vacuum.
Fusion plants cost us an average of 5 HI dice and 100R for +16 Energy.
We're just fine.
I look at the total required energy on the board right now, and see that the fusion plants can get us a decent chunk in, but many of the projects, particularity the abatement projects are energy intensive. Each Blue zone inhibitor cost 3 energy each, a whole a 57. That's just the blue zones. We still need to cover the YELLOW and RED ZONE as well. With the Yellow being larger and the Red twice as large we can estimate that it will cost 171 energy at least.
And that's not even counting industry.
Railgun harvester factories have a total of 12 energy used
tiberium processing plants need 4 just to function
a number of the ancillary food production requires energy as well as the water for YELLOW zones.
NUUK requires 36 by itself
Tokyo eats at least 12
Boston will eat another 8
And not even touching the factories the military want.
We can produce around 70 energy from the current crop of power choices. Far below whats needed for the inhibitor project and our growing industrial complex. If I'm wrong, GREAT, I'd love to be wrong but from where I'm standing I'm not seeing much else.
Those are just my growing concerns on just the energy crisis.
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We have cracked the first holy grail of energy production - fusion.
Even if we are currently limited by helium 3, and I am not sure we are, given tiberium, we should be able to get helium helium fusion and with helium being one of the most abundant elements in universe we are good.
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The red and (probably) yellow zone inhibitors don't require energy, they're built in MARV hubs which supply their power.
Then why would they even ever be an option in the first place if we can just build fusion plants for all of are energy needs it doesn't make sense for it to exist in the first place at all then?!?
Is that so? I didn't see that clarification anywhere. If so thank you. Its still a lot of energy we don't have.
I am pretty sure this is wrong.
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There is another aspect: we only have two turns until the earliest that NOD commits to a full press.
So I don't think we can get away with less than 8 dice on military, and 6 dice on fusion. So 7 dice max on Orbital this turn.
...Oh! One more thing. We never got around to Tissue Replacement last couple of turns. We really need to get on that before we lose our Qatar bonus.
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Yeah, the Red ZOne inhibitor in RZ6 makes me think this incorrect.
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There's one red zone inhibitor available in the list in the turn document, you can see there's no energy cost. Since yellow zone inhibitors are also built in MARV hubs once we cover a continent, they presumably also come with their own power supply. Hopefully we'll be able to build some more MARV hubs later in the plan, once the militaries in good shape, and unlock some more inhibitors that don't have painful energy requirements. I very much doubt we'll do many blue zone inhibitors unless we go for liquid tib power, or some other tech that makes power cheap, since as you noted it's just too power intensive to get all of them.
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Do not quite understand what you are saying.
Do you mean the tidals? They were an older project, were cut by one phase precisely because the earlier available phase became obsolete due to fusion power, and we could build them with infra dice instead of HI dice.
But for the near future fusion plants will be our go to power solution.
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In the turn posts you can see that the red zone (and presumably yellow once we unlock them) inhibitors do not cost energy.
Yeah, I know. This is the lore blurb on them from the wiki:
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So they're ionized particle guns, AKA an ion cannon. But they rely on a breed of tiberium to function instead of... whatever it is we're ionizing.
If they include novel ionizing processes and/or firing mechanisms, maybe It's applicable to our own ion tech and can be hybridized. Then miniaturizing our existing ion tech might be more than a pipe dream, a curiosity, and a money sink, as it stands currently.
On the other hand, if it's a kludged together mess that only works because of the tiberium, it's useless to us because: Tiberium Bad.
Could go either way, so I'm asking.
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