That is where it's located, that's why it costs 10PS to even research and probably will have further political complications trying to actually deploy. As long as we don't break the glass we don't get yelled at, if we break the "in case of emergency" glass when there's not an emergency the politicians start yelling at us.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
- Pronouns
- He/Him
In the same way a Nuclear Salt Water Rocket is. I'll stick to fusion and gravy, thank you.
Nah, nothing with any Tiberium in it will be going into space for a very long time.
But yeah, currently it's an upgrade for smaller-scale power generation, but is rather risky.
As power source, not propulsion.
- Location
- his hidden lair
And then it takes a single accident to risk poisoning an entire world. How about we actually focus on making fusion power work before we wring our hands, sew a patch with a scorpion on our uniforms and start saying "Tiberium is the answer"
I am just trying to say with the culture of gdi why would it appear in every update like wouldn't it be blocked off until we have low energy and in a desperate time like having the option to go back to mushroom bar rationing like it feels like it would be impossible in general actually right now like the more I think about it it just very weird?
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
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- Any
You're still sending tiberium into space, which isn't so much a 'lose political support' bad idea so much as a 'get immediately removed from power and thrown in prison' level bad idea.
We are going to need to push out at minimum 1 Processing Center, I'd rather go for 2, but well, its iffy if we have the resources for it.
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- He/Him
Distinction without a difference.
It's nuclear-grade performative and lethally volatile. No thank you.
Ayep. And we need the power for it, too. 6 dice on fusion in every plan.
And it needs be fusion, too. We are dice limited on this quarter, and conventional power production is
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Actually, the well of fusion power is not drying up at all, and if anything the subsequent phases are turning out cheaper than the first one. Tiberium power is not an immediate solution to our immediate crisis, and is unlikely to be necessary if we just keep slamming out fusion phases as hard as we can.
If you're planning on us building literally every inhibitor, then you're planning for 10-20 years in the future at least.
So the answer to your problem is "we slam out eleven phases of fusion reactors, yawn." That's 55 heavy industry dice over the next 3-5 Four Year Plans. Easy.
It's still an option because it would provide a shitload of Energy, if we wanted to take the chance.
The fact that we keep seriously considering it is all the reason it needs to stay around as an option, though maybe if we leave it be for like another 5-10 years it'll go away as being "off the table."
The thing is that by the time we've done this MAX expansion of Energy-burning projects, we have also had ample time to build more than enough fusion reactors. The currently visible phases of fusion power aren't the only ones that exist; there is a clear intent to imply that we can build more.
That would involve flying hunks of tiberium around in space and visiting planets that are tiberium-free with what could potentially become a tiberium infestation if things go wrong.
CCF Power and Fission Power spam for now since our Tidal Plants probably all will need rather extreme repairs and refits.
Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
- Location
- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
Thank you for being here. Also your roll this turn are hilarious. So have a funny rating.
I was not thinking about powering interplanetary space ships, but rather Earth near weaponized satellites - like laser or new ion cannons, satellites that would fall back to earth if destroyed.
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Fusion power is nowhere near being tapped out or drying up, we're in the exact opposite situation in fact. We're moving from expensive fiddly prototypes to mass production, it gets cheaper and easier from here on out.
- Location
- USA
We have the resources- we dont have the energy next turn but we can drop 1 die on it.
Yeah 1 die on tiberium processing to get progress but not spend energy. I do think that we should do more on orbital until philly is done though because getting both stages down will speed everything else up quite a bit. But 2 on HI next turn for to put 6 dice into fusion power to try and get a phase out so we can start doing energy using projects again.
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
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- Any
Due to how orbital mechanics works, this could launch chunks of tiberium into the moon or out of Earth's gravity well, potentially infecting planets and smaller bodies across the solar system, and will definitely produce hazardous clouds of tiberium particles in Earth's orbitals that could destroy our stations and satellites. Also, the tiberium falling back to Earth could contaminate blue zones if it doesn't burn up on reentry.
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Alright, on Discord we have discussed this all ad Infinium, we decided to never used Tiberium Power sources, Tiberium Enhanced Weapons, or even allow Tiberium off of Earth or outside of Sol, for one reason, it is a World Destroyer, the fact of the matter is, having even one tiny little crystal of it escape Earth is very much guaranteed to possibly reach another possible planet, and destroy it, ergo no, it is never and will never be used or produced beyond a few prototypes on Earth alone.
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Fusion. Gotta be fusion.
Illustrative Plan:
[]Plan Love me a Little Fission
-[]Infrastructure 5/5 75R
--[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 548/650 3 dice 45R (median 3/8)
--[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 2) 15/275 2 dice 30R (median 2/4)
-[]Heavy Industry 4/4 + 6 100R
--[] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Stage 3) 20/550 10 dice 100R 95%
-[]Light & Chemical Industry 4/4 80R
--[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 1) 1/160 4 dice 80R 96%
-[]Agriculture 3/3 40R
--[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 1) 0/150 2 dice 20R 49%
--[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development 0/40 1 die 20R 92%
-[]Tiberium 6/6 105R
--[] Tiberium Prospecting Expeditions (Repeating Stage) 3 dice 15R 78%
--[] Tiberium Processing Plants (Stage 1) 0/200 3 dice 90R 77%
-[]Orbital Industry 5/5 100R
--[] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4) 362/715 5 dice 100R (median 5/6)
-[]Services 4/4 35R
--[] Green Zone Teacher Colleges (New) 0/200 3 dice 15R 61%
--[] Tissue Replacement Therapy Development 0/60 1 die 20R 77%
-[]Military 6/6 90R
--[]Sonic Mobile Artillery Vehicle Deployment 0/160? 1 dice 15R ???
--[]Tube Artillery Deployment 0/200 1 dice 15R (median 1/3)
--[]Naval Defense Laser Refits 121/330 4 dice 60R 84%
-[]Bureaucracy 0/3
625/710R, 6/6 Free Dice
-[]Infrastructure 5/5 75R
--[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 2) 548/650 3 dice 45R (median 3/8)
--[] Rail Network Construction Campaigns (Phase 2) 15/275 2 dice 30R (median 2/4)
-[]Heavy Industry 4/4 + 6 100R
--[] Blue Zone Power Production Campaigns (Stage 3) 20/550 10 dice 100R 95%
-[]Light & Chemical Industry 4/4 80R
--[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 1) 1/160 4 dice 80R 96%
-[]Agriculture 3/3 40R
--[] Strategic Food Stockpile Construction (Phase 1) 0/150 2 dice 20R 49%
--[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Development 0/40 1 die 20R 92%
-[]Tiberium 6/6 105R
--[] Tiberium Prospecting Expeditions (Repeating Stage) 3 dice 15R 78%
--[] Tiberium Processing Plants (Stage 1) 0/200 3 dice 90R 77%
-[]Orbital Industry 5/5 100R
--[] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4) 362/715 5 dice 100R (median 5/6)
-[]Services 4/4 35R
--[] Green Zone Teacher Colleges (New) 0/200 3 dice 15R 61%
--[] Tissue Replacement Therapy Development 0/60 1 die 20R 77%
-[]Military 6/6 90R
--[]Sonic Mobile Artillery Vehicle Deployment 0/160? 1 dice 15R ???
--[]Tube Artillery Deployment 0/200 1 dice 15R (median 1/3)
--[]Naval Defense Laser Refits 121/330 4 dice 60R 84%
-[]Bureaucracy 0/3
625/710R, 6/6 Free Dice
That's not a Discord thing that's a GDI Parliament thing, at least in the current political environment it's absolutely a non-starter to even MENTION intentionally hauling Tib outside the atmosphere in earshot of a politician.
Well basically Discord and the Thread when we all start the very very NICE discussions, is GDI Parliament, so it works either way lol.
- Location
- canada
It IS a good option.
There are a lot of potential uses for it, ranging from powering high energy density and compact thing such as weapons, vehicles, and even power armor if the need for it was high enough. So things like man-portable particle beam weapons, floating and shielded MARVs, Impractically large Steel talon walkers that have Adaptive armor permanently on and doesn't need to reduce rate of fire for weapon systems, and flight-capable power armor like Ironman are probably possible by combining Liquid Tiberium Fuel Cells with other energy-intensive technology.
Going by the description, it should also be a Fast form of power, as in quickly providing lots of energy with even less dice than Fusion, and potentially not even that expensive given how Tiberium is literally everywhere, and most of the costs will probably go into shielding it from malfunctions and intentional sabotage.
In that way, it should also be useful for emergencies for when a specific project or plan needs LOTS of power in the fastest time possible that no other option will provide.
But in the end, given the volatility and perceived dangers of any kind of Liquid-Tiberium technology, due to no small part of Director Boyle's detonation of the Liquid Tiberium in game canon history, most people, including the voters, would never go for it unless they ran out of other options first. Hell, they won't even try to develop it at least to see what potential it holds, and then properly judge whether or not it's worth using after seeing actual facts and solid data for the comparison against other forms of energy such as Fusion.
So yeah, I'd expect people to continue not voting for it due to the stigma it has alone, regardless of any potential benefits it had, simply because they just don't want to. It's not that hard to get it done, but until things are desperate enough to make people care to vote for it, it might as well not exist as a real option in my opinion.
I mean the irony is that I don't see people arguing against building more Tiberium processing facilities such as those that comes automatically with Tiberium mines and the planned cities with Tiberium processing, yet those are bound to be filled with Tiberium anyways, and probably partially in liquid form in far greater quantities than any Liquid Tiberium Fuel Cell will have for that matter while it's melting and processing raw Tiberium chunks. But that's simply life I suppose.
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Here's my draft idea.
[ ] Plan Draft
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[ ] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 3), 4 dice (60 Resources)
Heavy Industry (4 dice +1 Free)
-[ ] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 2), 5 dice (100 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice)
-[ ] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner, 3 dice (60 Resources)
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[ ] Perennial Aquaponics Bays (Stage 2), 3 dice (30 Resources)
Tiberium (6 dice)
-[ ] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 1), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[ ] Tiberium Processing Plants (Stage 1), 3 dice (90 Resources)
Orbital (5 dice +2 Free)
-[ ] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4), 7 dice (140 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[ ] Green Zone Teacher Colleges, 3 dice (15 Resources)
-[ ] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Development, 1 die (20 Resources)
Military (6 dice +3 Free)
-[ ] Orca Refit Deployment, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[ ] Laser Point Defense Refits, 4 dice (60 Resources)
-[ ] Tube Artillery Deployment, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[ ] Havoc Scout Mech Development, 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[ ] Something
Resources Available: 710
Resources Spent: 705
Resources Remaining: 5
Infra is all into Arcologies so people can see the Treasury continuing to make a heavy effort there, and to get more people into better quality housing before elections.
HI has all its dice into Fusion for more power generation, LCI goes for Reykjavik so we've got some source of Myomers even if Johannesburg gets sabotaged by NOD (could start up work on Phase 4 Johannesburg if people are willing to gamble on not having redundancy.) Agriculture is all 3 on Perennials since we need it done as a Plan Goal, and it gives greater benefits this Plan the earlier it's done.
Tiberium, 3 dice go onto Processing Plants. We have +1 Energy Surplus and 3 Reserves, and this costs -4 Energy. That means that even if it finishes and Fusion Plants doesn't, we're still okay for one turn, so long as we finish the Fusion Plants the turn after (and I've made sure not to take any other projects that have an Energy cost and could complete.) And 5 dice into Fusion I think was calculated as still an ~86% chance of completing, so even if we get unlucky and it doesn't complete, we can still slam it out next turn. But anyway, I really don't feel safe without more slack in our processing capacity. The other 3 dice go into Vein Mines, for continuing to up our Income without stressing ZOCOM, especially since the Red Sea mines are done.
Orbital throws 7 dice at Philadelphia to finish Stage 4 and get its bonuses. Especially important since we're lagging behind on Orbital stuff right now. If people feel very strongly about 6 dice on Fusion Plants, one Free die can be retasked.
Services is 3 dice into Litvinov's other project, and the last die into better EVA's.
Military is finishing the stuff we haven't gotten deployed yet. Orcas, Laser Refits, and new artillery. It's likely that Orcas and/or new artillery don't fully complete, but they'll get close enough that we can knock them out next turn without much trouble. And one last die on the Havoc Mech to show the Steel Talons that we're starting up work on their stuff.
Bureaucracy, if nothing new shows up, probably just a Security Review.
[ ] Plan Draft
Infrastructure (5 dice)
-[ ] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 3), 4 dice (60 Resources)
Heavy Industry (4 dice +1 Free)
-[ ] Continuous Cycle Fusion Plants (Phase 2), 5 dice (100 Resources)
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice)
-[ ] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner, 3 dice (60 Resources)
Agriculture (3 dice)
-[ ] Perennial Aquaponics Bays (Stage 2), 3 dice (30 Resources)
Tiberium (6 dice)
-[ ] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 1), 3 dice (60 Resources)
-[ ] Tiberium Processing Plants (Stage 1), 3 dice (90 Resources)
Orbital (5 dice +2 Free)
-[ ] GDSS Philadelphia II (Phase 4), 7 dice (140 Resources)
Services (4 dice)
-[ ] Green Zone Teacher Colleges, 3 dice (15 Resources)
-[ ] Advanced Electronic Video Assistant Development, 1 die (20 Resources)
Military (6 dice +3 Free)
-[ ] Orca Refit Deployment, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[ ] Laser Point Defense Refits, 4 dice (60 Resources)
-[ ] Tube Artillery Deployment, 2 dice (30 Resources)
-[ ] Havoc Scout Mech Development, 1 die (10 Resources)
Bureaucracy (3 dice)
-[ ] Something
Resources Available: 710
Resources Spent: 705
Resources Remaining: 5
Infra is all into Arcologies so people can see the Treasury continuing to make a heavy effort there, and to get more people into better quality housing before elections.
HI has all its dice into Fusion for more power generation, LCI goes for Reykjavik so we've got some source of Myomers even if Johannesburg gets sabotaged by NOD (could start up work on Phase 4 Johannesburg if people are willing to gamble on not having redundancy.) Agriculture is all 3 on Perennials since we need it done as a Plan Goal, and it gives greater benefits this Plan the earlier it's done.
Tiberium, 3 dice go onto Processing Plants. We have +1 Energy Surplus and 3 Reserves, and this costs -4 Energy. That means that even if it finishes and Fusion Plants doesn't, we're still okay for one turn, so long as we finish the Fusion Plants the turn after (and I've made sure not to take any other projects that have an Energy cost and could complete.) And 5 dice into Fusion I think was calculated as still an ~86% chance of completing, so even if we get unlucky and it doesn't complete, we can still slam it out next turn. But anyway, I really don't feel safe without more slack in our processing capacity. The other 3 dice go into Vein Mines, for continuing to up our Income without stressing ZOCOM, especially since the Red Sea mines are done.
Orbital throws 7 dice at Philadelphia to finish Stage 4 and get its bonuses. Especially important since we're lagging behind on Orbital stuff right now. If people feel very strongly about 6 dice on Fusion Plants, one Free die can be retasked.
Services is 3 dice into Litvinov's other project, and the last die into better EVA's.
Military is finishing the stuff we haven't gotten deployed yet. Orcas, Laser Refits, and new artillery. It's likely that Orcas and/or new artillery don't fully complete, but they'll get close enough that we can knock them out next turn without much trouble. And one last die on the Havoc Mech to show the Steel Talons that we're starting up work on their stuff.
Bureaucracy, if nothing new shows up, probably just a Security Review.
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- Location
- Ekaterinburg, Russia
So about that double natural 1
The closest the quest came to this situation is in Q3 2054, when we rolled a Nat1 on our Red Zone Harvesting, and a Nat1 on our Tiberium Security Reviews.
It gave us a raid on our mining convoys, and the Military gave the Treasury an ultimatum - no more RZ mining projects until you give us lots of advancements.
The closest the quest came to this situation is in Q3 2054, when we rolled a Nat1 on our Red Zone Harvesting, and a Nat1 on our Tiberium Security Reviews.
It gave us a raid on our mining convoys, and the Military gave the Treasury an ultimatum - no more RZ mining projects until you give us lots of advancements.
cryptoam
building an 1980s encrypted protocol
- Location
- in lockdown waiting and bored...
The key difference is on two fronts:
1-We really don't have any and I repeat ANY other thing we can do on that front for more resources(which we and GDI need) once we run out on the processing cap. At the same time, having more means that the severity of sudden NOD catalyst interrupt on Chicago will be less destructive(on our plans and in terms of tib in the explosion).
2-It also is directly linked to our abatement efforts(the only practical way to mass delete tib that has been removed from the environment is to refine it)
Also, if a sudden TCN alternative that works popped up for us and it was in reach and handled the resource problem as well, we would be grabbing that as much as possible over more refining in general.
staplesdex2
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We chose the Science Guy as our successor and he has a Science Meter as a new mechanic. Might as well fulfill that meter and go for some MAD SCIENCE. The Liquid T Batteries are it.