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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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F0lkL0re said:
I think Light and Chemical Industry, Orbital Industry and Services are the only areas left that have yet to have a security review so it might be a good idea to just do all three next turn.
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We did Orbital in Q3 2050. It was noted to be 'extremely clean'.
Argent Citadel did a post about Security Reviews like a week or two ago.

Argent Citadel said:
Update on the Security reviews for the latest turn.

Infrastructure department: last review Q2, 2050. Results: Clean
Heavy Industry department: never reviewed.
Light and Chemical Industry department: never reviewed
Tiberium department: last review Q2 2051. Results: Mostly Clean. Nod collaborators arrested.
Agriculture department: last review Q3 2050. Results: Dirty, Nod infiltration cleared out.
Orbital Industry department: last review Q3, 2050. Results: Clean
Services department: never reviewed
Military department: never reviewed
Bureaucracy department: last review Q3, 2051. Results: Clean
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Since then we have done:
Heavy Industry department: Q1, 2052. Results: Mostly Clean. Small amounts of Nod infiltration and under the table dealing.
Military: Q4 2051. Results: Military Logistics riddled with surveillance and hacking programs from multiple Nod sects to siphon off supplies.

The only ones we've never reviewed are now Light and Chemical Industry and Services.
 
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Ithillid said:
[ ] Yellow Zone Reconstruction (Phase 2)
The most important feature of continuing yellow zone reconstruction is the provision of massive new housing projects. While building the infrastructure to support them must come alongside construction of housing, the development of work can come later, a compromise to get people out of the overcrowded and degrading refugee camp system. (Progress 181/200: 15 Resources per die) (+++ Housing)
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I can't get over the fact on how often Yellow Zone Reconstruction got the low rolls.

Next time, we need to spend some dice on more guns because I don't like the look on that Hawks' profile. Might need to appease them for a bit.
 
Ithillid said:
Those projects completed. I am not sure what you were expecting. When the progress needed is below the progress obtained, the project completes. Excess either goes towards speeding background rollout in unphased cases, or if they are phased, it rolls over into the next project.
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I see thanks I thought that it wasn't updated or something, thank you for answering.
 
Ithillid said:
While there are currently over a hundred representatives, and in the near future hopefully thousands, they have tended to organize themselves into caucuses, and speak with a single voice. With the elections over, here are some of the more important members of the parliament whose requests may cross your desk. Please give their requests all due consideration.
-Liut Sandra Telfair.
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Translation: Expect them to chime in with requests that'll impact our plans next update. I'm looking forward to it, personally. Should be interesting. :smile:
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While some in GDI media have accused Dr. Granger of trying to use these to meddle in the election and win support for the Developmentalist Party, most have dismissed them as cranks and crackpots, especially with Dr. Granger's famous lack of political acumen.
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Well yes, but actually no. Dr. Granger wants Yellow Zone political support to keep his Yellow Zone projects going. (An important step for saving the planet and opposing NOD.)
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While somewhat lost in the clamour over the election results, many more messages of support than usual have been coming in.
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While OOC we did this for political reasons, IC this is actually kinda... hopeful? Sure, one interpretation is "elections are back, btw think of Dr. Granger" but the general response seems to be more like "elections are back, we are the GDI." It is rather symbolic timing.
Ithillid said:
While an orbital base was rejected time and again in military budgeting before the Third Tiberium War, it is now time to reconsider that, and begin preparing for a transition to an ASAT network that can protect itself from any danger. Human, or otherwise.
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I don't know how we'll afford it, especially since ASAT coverage isn't nearly as complete as it used to be. But we'll need to get this done sooner rather than later IMO. Leave ASAT vulnerable for too long could start prompting a response from NOD, and we can't let that happen.
 
Derpmind said:
I don't know how we'll afford it, especially since ASAT coverage isn't nearly as complete as it used to be. But we'll need to get this done sooner rather than later IMO. Leave ASAT vulnerable for too long could start prompting a response from NOD, and we can't let that happen.
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Maybe if glacier mining rolls max we can start putting a dice into orbital projects but as is right now I agree that I don't see how we can afford it with all the other fires we have to put out still.
 
Derpmind said:
Well yes, but actually no. Dr. Granger wants Yellow Zone political support to keep his Yellow Zone projects going. (An important step for saving the planet and opposing NOD.)
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Nobody expects the guy who has cultivated an image of a bumbling well meaning scientist to know how to play the game.

Derpmind said:
I don't know how we'll afford it, especially since ASAT coverage isn't nearly as complete as it used to be. But we'll need to get this done sooner rather than later IMO. Leave ASAT vulnerable for too long could start prompting a response from NOD, and we can't let that happen.
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NOD has shown time and time again in the last war that they have the capacity to strike anywhere on the Earth if they have the preparations. Orbit is actually the one place free of NOD influence.

But the last thing we want is for NOD to cripple our ASAT network. Again.
Or blow up our space stations. Again.
 
I think we need to dedicate some more effort to the Yellow Zones. As it is I feel we are half assing it, and it can leave us in a position where the Yellow Zones are radicalized to hell, leaning towards NOD in significant numbers, and we're forced to pour money into the military to try and contain it. And that's a catch up game.

So yeah, any plan that puts focus on the Yellow Zones has my vote. The degradation of GDI technology that we are trying to stop with those factories vs a possible freefall in yellow zone morale and GDI credibility.
 
>>John Henry Morgan
John Henry Morgan, a self described "Ultracapitalist" was born in the 1980s, and inherited his father's Tiberium mining concern in 2000. John Henry, and his adopted brother Nwabudike, turned the relatively small mine into a sprawling buisness empire throughout the first two decades of the 21st century. With interests ranging from consumer electronics to Becoming the richest man in the world in 2020, he lost his brother and his company in 2027, the former to NOD attacks, and the latter to GDI's nationalization program. He has spent the last twenty three years being a buzzing gadfly in the Initiative's political sphere, using his still grand fortune as leverage to attempt to bring back market solutions to the many problems facing the world.

Sabrina Godwinson
Sabrina Godwinson is the leading member of the Starbound Party in Parliament. The daughter of a pair of Astronauts, and conceived due to contraception failure on the Philadelphia, she has always been fascinated by space, and even an alien invasion has not dampened her enthusiasm. While now too old for orbital service, Godwinson has campaigned for orbital investment in political forums around the world, and has found herself with a seat in Parliament. <<

Hello Sid Meiers Alpha Centauri.
 
Tiberium research and school that should be our top priority. Ithillid has already said that we need this for the TCN. And we are extremely lagging behind with this. Otherwise we need Kane to solve this or we will escape into space now
 
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kellanved said:
I think we need to dedicate some more effort to the Yellow Zones. As it is I feel we are half assing it, and it can leave us in a position where the Yellow Zones are radicalized to hell, leaning towards NOD in significant numbers, and we're forced to pour money into the military to try and contain it. And that's a catch up game.

So yeah, any plan that puts focus on the Yellow Zones has my vote. The degradation of GDI technology that we are trying to stop with those factories vs a possible freefall in yellow zone morale and GDI credibility.
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We have dedicated effort into the yellow zones and are seeing some reduced radiclization thanks to that. I also do not anticipate stopping yellow zone investment but we need the chip and tool factories to be able to do stuff. That the tool factories also make it easier for us to pursue some of the other projects helps.
 
A problem with dealing with the Yellow Zone population is that the Yellow Zoners seem to have a strong crab bucket mentality. As we continue to aid some Yellow Zoners with housing and development, the other Yellow Zoners get more angry than usual about not getting aid right now. They are getting more angry at us, the Blue Zones, and the "lucky SOBs getting houses" more than if we had not started aiding the Yellow Zones in the first place. It is an understandable reaction as the Yellow Zones have been neglected for so long but it is not helpful for us. We must house the remaining Yellow Zoners and we cannot let them fester in their resentment for too long or they will radicalize and add fuel to the GDI right wing's image of the Yellow Zone populations as a bunch of perpetually ungrateful Nod sympathizers who keep taking GDI charity and then run off to join Nod.
 
Gorefink said:
Tiberium research and school that should be our top priority. Ithillid has already said that we need this for the TBC. And we are extremely lagging behind with this. Otherwise we need Kane to solve this or we will escape into space now
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The Tiberium Control Network is not something we in-character have the slightest inkling of even being possible much less worth pursuing, even if theoretically we can metagame it with knowledge of the future canon and spend 20 years trying to force the square peg into the round hole I don't have any interest in doing that tbh. Based on everything we know the Earth is doomed on a long enough timescale no matter what we do, there's too much Tiberium sunk too deep into the planetary crust to ever get it all out and eventually given enough time it WILL eat the entire planet, from the inside out even if we keep the surface and upper planetary crust spotless. The point of the abatement and rebuilding efforts is to hold together a functioning society for the decades necessary to do a proper slow and orderly evacuation of the planet as opposed to the evac plan's "just fuckin run as fast as we can right this second", not to live here for all eternity.

Tiberium research is still a worthy goal but I wouldn't expect the quest to get around to meaningfully implementing the TCN... ever, really, that shouldn't be the goal. Tiberium research is useful for getting better at fighting it and turning it towards our own ends outside the TCN still, but trying to metagame our way to a TCN isn't something I care about.
 
Crazycryodude said:
The Tiberium Control Network is not something we in-character have the slightest inkling of even being possible much less worth pursuing, even if theoretically we can metagame it with knowledge of the future canon and spend 20 years trying to force the square peg into the round hole I don't have any interest in doing that tbh. Based on everything we know the Earth is doomed on a long enough timescale no matter what we do, there's too much Tiberium sunk too deep into the planetary crust to ever get it all out and eventually given enough time it WILL eat the entire planet, from the inside out even if we keep the surface and upper planetary crust spotless. The point of the abatement and rebuilding efforts is to hold together a functioning society for the decades necessary to do a proper slow and orderly evacuation of the planet as opposed to the evac plan's "just fuckin run as fast as we can right this second", not to live here for all eternity.

Tiberium research is still a worthy goal but I wouldn't expect the quest to get around to meaningfully implementing the TCN... ever, really, that shouldn't be the goal. Tiberium research is useful for getting better at fighting it and turning it towards our own ends outside the TCN still, but trying to metagame our way to a TCN isn't something I care about.
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>we choose the ''saving earth goal''

kinda late for the evacuation focus when we specifically choose the focus on recovering earth

[x] Reclamation
-[x] Doctor James Granger
-[x] Tiberium Abatement
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No we didn't, we chose the "buy a century of habitable surface" plan and Granger of all people would know it better than pretty much anyone. I don't care what the politicians say, we aren't a politician, we're a Tiberium scientist. And the science says that as long as there's a single particle of the magic death rock hiding somewhere deep in the planetary core that the planet is toast on a long enough timescale.
 
My plan for the coming turn with a focus on capital goods in the forms of chips, steel tools, and chemicals.
I am thinking of going with one less dice on the reclamation hub and one more on Chemical Precursor Plants and Expand Orbital Communications Network

Infra 1/6 15 R +6
-[] Yellow Zone Reconstruction (Phase 2) 181/200 1 dice 15 R
HI 3/3+4 free 105 R +6
-[] North Boston Chip Fabrication (Phase 1) 0/150 4 dice 60 R
-[] Christchurch Tool Plant 201/300 3 dice 45 R
LC Ind 2/3 30 R +6
-[] Chemical Precursor Plants 0/200 2 dice 30R
Agri 0/3 10 R +6
Tiberium 3/6 80 R +26
-[] Tiberium Glacier Mining (Phase 3) 136/200 2 dice 60 R
-[] Experimental Tiberium Treatment Labs 0/100 1 dice 20 R
Orb 0/3 0 R +4
Services ?/3 15 R +21
-[] Primary Schooling 194/300 2 dice 10 R
-[] Craft Shops and Maker facilities 0/200 1 dice 5R
Military 2/3 50 R +1
-[] Reclaimator Hub Blue Zone 1 39/125 3 dice 75R
Bureau 2/3 Free 0 R +6
-[] Security Review (???) 2+1 free dice 60 DC

Free 5/5

320/325
 
Why did we choose to save the planet? If now, as you say, it's hopeless. Then we don't need to build so much on earth now. Use what we have now and put the rest in space. We certainly don't need 10 years for this either.
 
Gorefink said:
Why did we choose to save the planet? If now, as you say, it's hopeless. Then we don't need to build so much on earth now. Use what we have now and put the rest in space. We certainly don't need 10 years for this either.
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Buying time for and making sure we have the resources to ether GTFO into space or adapt humanity to tiberium.
 
We chose to save the humans currently living on the surface of the planet because it's the morally correct thing to do, that has absolutely zero bearing on the long-term prognosis for the geology. The explicit evacuation plan would involve a lot of compromises and abandonment and shoving people into lifeless tin cans just to get them technically in space. The long term century-scale effort is saving as many people as possible by doing it slow and steady and correctly instead of dropping everything for maximum numbers of people offworld right this second.
 
The evacuation plan would require us to get as much infrastructure and people as possible into space in an incredibly short amount if time. The current plan gets us decades if not centuries to build up space and ideally evacuate everyone. Ding "Evacuation now" we would have inevitably left people behind, we are talking about hundreds of million to billions of people here.
 
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Crazycryodude said:
No we didn't, we chose the "buy a century of habitable surface" plan and Granger of all people would know it better than pretty much anyone. I don't care what the politicians say, we aren't a politician, we're a Tiberium scientist. And the science says that as long as there's a single particle of the magic death rock hiding somewhere deep in the planetary core that the planet is toast on a long enough timescale.
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A century is a long time. Long enough for future scientists to devise new methods of manipulating and removing Tiberium. I agree that we shouldn't metagame and try to rush a Tiberium Control Network, but reclaiming Earth's surface is very much a victory condition for this quest and the one we're committed to - not a multi-decades away plan to relocate into space.
 
Oh yeah sure, for the purposes of this quest that's probably not going to last more than a few decades getting the human race into something resembling a safe and secure society with large parts of the surface reclaimed is definitely the victory condition. Just in-universe based on what we know right now it can't last forever and our great-grandkids are still going to have to move to the Moon. The best way for us to enable them doing that is to fix society on the surface right now though.
 
The above post.
At the same time, if we do get greater than 50 mitigation in all categories and hold, our timeline expands so much that we have a good chance of discovering TCN and implementing which basically solves the entire death rock issue
 
[ ] Tiberium Abatement
By focusing efforts on expanding sonic fencing and deploying additional harvesting and reclamation units, GDI can begin the slow push back of the green menace. While it is a long and hard path, the overall plan remains the same.
  • Tiberium must be purged and Earth Reclaimed
  • Return to prewar policies.
  • Extensive project requirements
  • The conservative option


That is our mandate. To completely destroy Tiberium not only on the surface. I know not everyone wanted that but it came out. Not something half-hearted with which we gain a century of time and then have to flee anyway. Don't say we shouldn't make a space. But our top priority is to destroy Tiberium.
 
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