I don't mind the -10 to the market. But your above notes it as -5.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
Simon, it's right there. Under the bays for Columbia, there's Shala.I'm looking at the version linked in the threadmarked version, here
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
New, hopefully-up-to-date (as of Feb 26, 2023) Probability Array. (Newness not guaranteed in all regions. Void where prohibited, or in regions of nulled spacetime. Do not taunt Happy Fun Ball.) -[] Blue Zone Arcologies (Stage 4) 1/510 5 dice 75R 5%, 6 dice 90R 35%, 7 dice 105R 74%, 8 dice...forums.sufficientvelocity.com
And it's not there. I believe your numbers, but it's not in the threadmark.
This is reasonable, especially since my plan didn't involve a major income handover to any other department this turn.
Indeed, GDI does in fact operate with the understanding that it can't outsource educating tradesmen, and you need a lot of tradesmen to operate and maintain everything.
However, we do need to remember that there are limits to educating people, and further education to qualify people for work will eventually run into large parts of the population not being able to meet the required qualifications. These are things that GDI will have to deal with.
Luckily, the Treasury can just look at Services and go 'just tell us how big a check you need' for things like that. It's very much a Services problem.
That said, IIRC earlier in the quest there were implications that parts of the population fit for labour were moving out of the labour pool simply because they could not find a job for years. We may see a project or two pop up to get them involved again once the labour crunch starts hitting hard.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Oops. Overlooked it.
Good point, and there is budget for it, certainly. Switching three dice.
Note that my plan draft already included a promise to do that rail project, so it was definitely on my radar even before.
I overlooked that despite repeated accordion reads, due to it being appended at the bottom of a long list of something else. See here; Lightwhispers already documented and fixed the problem.
["Simon, it's right there"]
[sighs at doubtless accidental microaggression tone, keeps going]
Accounting error. I decided to be more generous/ambitious and give a -10 Capital Goods infusion, then forgot to update my tally at the top of the page. Thank you.
Editing.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
That was not my intention. I phrased it that way because this has come up before, and the only response I got amounted to throwing more education at the problem, which I don't think is the solution. I meant no offense.
There's more to mental suitably for a particular job then intelligence and education. There's interest, a person's ability to engage with more abstract concepts in a fulfilling way, ability to handle mental stress, things like that. Some people hate having to do math. Some people find coding a chore. Education will not help these people, because it's training them for jobs they don't want to do in the first place.
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
- Location
- Colorado, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
Well, education *might* help them. But it's going to be much harder. Teach someone that "Actually math can be kinda fun and isn't that bad at all, here's how you enjoy it" is much, much harder than just teaching them how to do it in the first place.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
GDI's employment fields are vast and diverse. Not everyone is coding. Not everyone is doing math. Education does not mean "everyone ends up in the same STEM program."
Unless someone is only suitable for picking fruit or pushing a broom, then in the long run, robot fruit-pickers or broom-pushers will not threaten their employability. And I do not believe that there are many people who fall into those categories.
Oh, thank God!
I am very pleased that there are some non-AEVA Services programs coming out.
And, again, education doesn't mean just "do more math better." Rising automation wipes out math-intensive jobs too; indeed, a huge swath of math-intensive jobs were among the first destroyed by computing, because "computer" used to be a word for "someone who does calculations by hand."
There's plenty of room for people who are good at various forms of abstract reasoning, thinking, planning, and so on, but who happen to be disinclined to calculate. "Learn to code" is not the true ascended form of all efforts to reskill a society.
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
- Location
- Colorado, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
Well yeah, I was just using math as an example. But the same principle applies for fiddly manual labor jobs, or for driving trucks around, or what have you. :/
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Right. But my point is that there's no one skill everyone is forced to learn to avoid having their job automated out of existence, such that lots of people are just objectively unsuited for that one skill and therefore will be sad forever if automation replaces whatever job they have now, because this one job was the only thing they could ever do and be happy.
Angle
Release Candidate Enby
- Location
- Colorado, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them/Theirs/Comrade
Oh! Okay, yeah, I agree... But, finding a new useful skill and developing it sufficiently to make money is no small thing. Especially if the second skill is also at risk of being automated...
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I mean, yes, but we're really doing our best to take care of everyone and make this possible. And frankly, if we can automate jobs, with the shrinking graying labor force that we have, it's very much for the best that we do. Even if some of the people never find another job, we can at least get the rest doing something more useful.
We can't afford to be infinitely picky on tiberian Earth.
AzrielIlluminare
Mothman Cultist
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Yeah, it's mostly for future generations honestly. The better educated they are, the better, and with automation slowly taking up the lower level jobs it's means they can aim for the higher level ones. Or well the jobs that can't be reliably replaced by current automation technology, and there's always the job of administrating/maintaining those automated systems, because not every automated factory or farm, etc. is going to be able to get an AI.
And the law enforcement and medical fields aren't likely to see 100% automation, nor is the various branches of the military. So it's not like all jobs are going to just suddenly disappear or anything. But yeah, as I said earlier this isn't really for our current working population, it's for future generations down the line. Because frankly, the less people we have working in those jobs is more people we can have doing things that help us save Earth (or leave Earth if that's more your thing) and defeat Nod.
And the law enforcement and medical fields aren't likely to see 100% automation, nor is the various branches of the military. So it's not like all jobs are going to just suddenly disappear or anything. But yeah, as I said earlier this isn't really for our current working population, it's for future generations down the line. Because frankly, the less people we have working in those jobs is more people we can have doing things that help us save Earth (or leave Earth if that's more your thing) and defeat Nod.
BoSPaladin
The Paladin
Anyway. Changing the subject. What luxury goods can we get from Yao? And what are we paying with/trading for that?
What do people think.
What do people think.
- Location
- USA
These two definitely seem like they should be priorities.
We've had a lot of warnings from various projects letting us know that the only jobs that are really in demand are higher skilled jobs.
Both of these look like they can help bump up the amount of higher skilled people we get. Even if it's only a little it still helps push that trend.
Not really as big a fan of the cosmetic biosculpting...
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
1) It'll make some people happy.
2) We have more Services dice than we really know what to do with.
3) We've probably got a lot of people who need varying amounts of cosmetic surgery, and the infrastructure to develop that is a good thing.
4) Developing the infrastructure to do that will probably chain into further advances in surgery and biological modification that we could definitely use.
- Location
- USA
True enough but in my mind the hospital expansions and auto doc are a higher priority than the cosmetic surgery one.
I don't really mind if we do it, it's just solidly in last place for me.
- Location
- Wall Gazing
It is in a similar position for me. Adding Library Enhancement Programs and University Program Updates are going to take time to show long term results. Education is a multi year process for stuff beyond trade skills, ie the stuff we want to teach. Therefore those are things we want in place sooner rather then later for the express purpose of getting them working. I do think we should finish up the Autodocs and the Hospital expansions as we are going to need health for the Karachi Push, but thats a die each leaving us with two dice for the Libraries and Universities.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
- Location
- USG Ishimura
I wouldn't put it that low. Auto Docs are top priority, but they'd pair well with Biosculpting I feel. Though that depends on costs, but if I remember right education programs don't cost much R or have huge progress bars.
- Location
- USA
Why do you think that?
Near as I can tell, biosculpting would probably be delicate custom surgery specifically planned for each individual that wants to pay for the cosmetic surgery.
Where the auto docs are brute force automatic surgery that could save or stabilize you in a emergency situation.
I see them as polar opposites not anything with strong synergy.
I mean there might be some synergy in that both are medical advancements so they might help our medical field overall, but that's about the most I would expect them to work together.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Okay, but at four dice a turn we're still going to be hacking through all these projects fairly quickly.
BoSPaladin
The Paladin
We're still on education. Okay. Well. I want libraries. But not for education, well for that too.
But mainly so children have books to read, E-readers, games even, even if they have to be 'educational'.
And, it's possibly not so much a problem in GDI particularly blue zones. But IRL, Libraries access to computers allows people to be able to access a computer and the asssistance it can provide. Not so much nowadays, since everyone has a mobile phone, that being a small portable computer with access to the web and similiar resources. But, depending, some deep yellow zone refugees could possibly still benefit from access to computers.
Beyond that, Libraries can also be centres of the community in small towns, or even just for local areas. There's benefits to having cheap/free/subsidised recreation for our citizens.
TLDR? I'm looking at the current turn with a view to what our population want. To a degree, that's accounted for with plan goals and the military and other figures leaning on us to nudge us towards certain projects. And admittedly, we have a lot of things people want, but, particularly with elections upcoming. I want to try and see just how much good we can do.
Because, a common recurring theme, is numbers go up, but to the average citizen of GDI, it often looks like we're struggling to keep up or just spinning in place.
But mainly so children have books to read, E-readers, games even, even if they have to be 'educational'.
And, it's possibly not so much a problem in GDI particularly blue zones. But IRL, Libraries access to computers allows people to be able to access a computer and the asssistance it can provide. Not so much nowadays, since everyone has a mobile phone, that being a small portable computer with access to the web and similiar resources. But, depending, some deep yellow zone refugees could possibly still benefit from access to computers.
Beyond that, Libraries can also be centres of the community in small towns, or even just for local areas. There's benefits to having cheap/free/subsidised recreation for our citizens.
TLDR? I'm looking at the current turn with a view to what our population want. To a degree, that's accounted for with plan goals and the military and other figures leaning on us to nudge us towards certain projects. And admittedly, we have a lot of things people want, but, particularly with elections upcoming. I want to try and see just how much good we can do.
Because, a common recurring theme, is numbers go up, but to the average citizen of GDI, it often looks like we're struggling to keep up or just spinning in place.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Given the way GDI society has been portrayed in the GDIOnline segments, the fact that we do universally electronicized elections, and so on, I strongly suspect that effectively everyone has personal computing and electronic devices, even relatively recent refugees.
If that's not the case, then the problem is most likely a supply side issue caused by us not completing North Boston or other major chip fabricators, something that would be hard to solve with any single program in another area.
If that's not the case, then the problem is most likely a supply side issue caused by us not completing North Boston or other major chip fabricators, something that would be hard to solve with any single program in another area.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Could we do this at some point? Making the big projects not be roll based would be really convenient.
It would also cut down on the narrative drawbacks of actions.