Alright with everyone talking about this and me able to keep up this time new preliminary plan:

[ ] Plan The Green Line v2.2:
-[ ] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice +36 bonus) 80 Resources:
--[ ] Yellow Zone Fortress Towns (Phase 7) (Updated) 93/300 20 RpD, 2 Die = 40 R 33% DC 60
--[ ] Blue Zone Apartment Complexes (Phase 10) 87/160 10 RpD, 1 Die = 10 R 79% DC 22
--[ ] Urban Metros (Phase 4) 0/150 15 RpD, 2 Die = 30 R 81% ADC 32
-[ ] Heavy Industry (6/6 Dice +33 bonus) 85? Resources:
--[ ] Advanced Alloys Deployment 0/??? 15? RpD, 3 Dice = 45? R ???% ?DC ???
--[ ] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development (Tech) 0/120 20 RpD, 1 Die = 20 R 33% DC 72
--[ ] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 112/300 10 RpD, 2 Die = 20 R 45% ADC 54
-[ ] Light and Chemical Industry (5/5 Dice +28-5 = +23 bonus) 100 Resources:
--[ ] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 5) 20 RpD, 5 Dice = 100 R 5/17 Median ADC N/A
-[ ] Agriculture (6/6 Dice +28 bonus) 65 Resources:
--[ ] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 15 RpD, 3 Dice = 45 R 70% ADC 42
--[ ] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) 315/450 10 RpD, 2 Die = 20 R 86% ADC 27
--[ ] Security Review Agriculture 1 Die
-[ ] Tiberium (7/7 Dice + 2 Free Dice +38 bonus) 175 Resources:
--[ ] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2+3+4?) 5/195/385/570 20 RpD, 6 Dice = 120 R 100%/99%/40% ADC 1/23/54
--[ ] Intensification of Green Zone Harvesting (Stage 8) 4/100 15 RpD, 1 Die = 15 R 58% DC 43
--[ ] Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development (Tech) 0/160 20 RpD, 2 Die = 40 R 83% ADC 30
-[ ] Orbital (6/6+1 = 7 Dice + 3 Free Dice + Erewhon Die +33 bonus) 200 Resources:
--[ ] GDSS Columbia (Phase 1) 0/65/200/475/1030 20 RpD, 8 Dice + Erewhon Die = 180 R 100%/100%/100%/1% ADC 1/1/18/80
--[ ] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11) 32/85/170 10 RpD, 2 Die = 20 R 100%/81% ADC 1/36
-[ ] Services (4/4 Dice +31 bonus) 85 Resources:
--[ ] Gene Clinics 94/120 10 RpD, 1 Die = 10 R 100% DC 1
--[ ] Ocular Implant Deployment 0/200 25 RpD, 3 Dice = 75 R 88% ADC 31
-[ ] Military (8/8 Dice + 2 Free Dice +30 bonus) 170? Resources:
--[ ] Zrbite Sonic Weapons Development (Tech) 0/60 20 RpD, 1 Die = 20 R
--[ ] Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1) (Very High Priority) 142/200 10 RpD, 1 Die = 10 R 88% DC 13
--[ ] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) (Updated) (Very High Priority) 147/180/360 20 RpD, 2 Die = 40 R 100%/20% ADC 1/68
--[ ] Shark-Class Frigate Shipyards (High Priority) 0/300 20 RpD, 4 Dice = 80 R 73% ADC 42
--[ ] Modular Rapid Assembly System Prototypes (Tech) (High Priority) 56/125 20 RpD, 1 Die = 20 R 77% DC 24
--[ ]Security Reviews Military 1 Die
-[ ] Bureaucracy (4/4 Dice +28 bonus)
--[ ] Security Review Agriculture 2 Die
--[ ] Security Review Military 1 Die
--[ ] Focus Reallocation
---[ ] Heavy Industry
---[ ] Tiberium
---[ ] Orbital
-[ ] Total Cost: 80+85?+100+65+175+200+85+170? = 960?/1150

+5 to Genetically Engineered Plants < Must remember this until it is incorporated into the regular posts next turn.

- In Infrastructure I put the Dice onto Urban Metros Phase 4 and Blue Zone Apartment Complexes to get the new general city sectors over and done with in Infrastructure. Also 2 Die onto Yellow Zone Fortresses because there are only two Phases left. The plan is called The Green Line people I want the border between GDI and NOD fully fortified and the Fortresses get us +4 Housing so we can take in more refugees.

- In Heavy Industry I'm going to start deploying Advanced Alloys while trying to finish off Personal Electrical Vehicle Plants. Also preparing to do DAE by first researching Improved Fusion Power Plants with one Die because more would be overkill.

- In L&C Industry I'm just going after the Reykjavik capstone. Should be done by the end of the year.

- Because of @Derpmind's arguments Agriculture is completing Mechanization with 3 Dice because having enough food and the bonus from mechanisation is enough to add a Die and go from around 10% to 70%, completing Wadmalaw Kudzu and of course that Security Review which is overdue.

- Tiberium is about doing Vein Mines, Green Zone Intensification, again the plan is called The Green Line, and researching the improved Hewlett Gardener Process for more STU gain.

- Orbital is about surging into existence of Colombia. Since we are waiting for Advanced Alloys to do Shala we can surge this one further than before and at the same time finish off Orbital Cleanup because those 2 Die make no difference for completing Phase 4 of Columbia this turn.

- Services just finshes off the Gene Clinics and then does the Occular Implant Deployment with 3 Dice because after reading all the arguments about having sight vs heavy headgear I've come down on the side of give them the choice as flawed as it is and give it as soon as possible.

- Military is about starting to get ZOCOM some relief, while at the same time preparing for Karachi, which isn't going to last only one turn so having those extra frigates as soon as possible will be useful and doing our plan goals alongside a security review.

- Security Reviews in Agriculture, which I'm uneasy about using a single Die on since we have an allegedly ex-NOD mad scientist now in there, and Military and switching a Die from Services to Heavy Industry.
 
Rule 4: Don’t Be Disruptive, or, "Getting overly incensed and accusing others of strawmanning, as well as just outright refusing to debate with others legitimately is inherently discruptive. Please refrain from doing so in the future."
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I have a couple of questions about this action

[ ] GD-3 Rifle Development (Platform)
The GD-2 has served well for almost thirty years. However, in the modern day it is no longer serving GDI's overall needs as well as it once did. Between the need to counter the ever more common biomechanical creatures, the hoped for switch to Zone Armor, and the potential of laser and particle beam weapons a new system is required to serve in a set of very different roles than the GD-2.
(Progress 0/30: 10 resources per die)

Firstly, how 'broad' is it? Would it be just a new rifle for the remaining PBI, or would it also encompass the LMGs used by the Defender-armoured troops etc?

Secondly, how 'radical' is it? Are we talking 'better cartridge' or are directed-energy-weapons on the table?
 
WooooooooooW. Holy Armies of scarecrows Batman!

Nice strawman bro!

At no point did I say we'd take all of india or even try.

The suggestion was literally. "Karachi +1 marv hub nearby. Destroy bases that try to stop us."

Considering that your implication was clearly that the goal would be to avoid having to share our agri research, and the only way to do that would be to take all of India, I don't see how it's a strawman.

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@Kyr'am Do you have an apology for me for lying about what I said?

Considering that it was in no way a lie? No, not particularly.
 
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As such, the Bannerjees will be getting our various agricultural research -- but, again, that doesn't hugely matter to us, since it's mainly civilian uses, and even stuff like tarberries which do have military uses aren't nearly useful enough to be worth not getting his bonus.

I would rather not understate the military and economic benefits of the specialty plants. There is a reason they are enticing and that reason is their relative Resource cost effectiveness for what they do. Admittedly they are mostly outstripped in effectiveness by more industrial methods, but they have their niche especially for NOD warlords with their smaller economies.

Spider Cotton is a low cost Cap Goods producer with similar Cap Good/Die efficiencies to Reykjavik and Bergen with better Cap Good/R efficiencies then both.

Kudzu is about to get us a +1 to all dice all most a whole die of progress spread out over our dice each turn, plus the Con Goods benefits.

While we can't speak of how cheap and effective Tarberries and Poluticeplants will be, but it is likely they will be similar to Spider Cotton and Kudzu in being R cheap projects that provide a not insignificant benefit. What is important to keep in mind is NOD warlords don't have the same R income that the GDI as a whole, or us as the Treasury do. As such they would find R cheap projects with small phase sizes to be very enticing.

Low tech, low maintenance, low start up cost, I can see how these projects would be very appealing for a NOD warlord without access to the industrial output of the GDI.
 
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Considering that your implication was clearly that the goal would be to avoid having to share our agri research, and the only way to do that would be to take all of India, I don't see how it's a strawman.

wrong again! I specifically said we could drop the data in the rubble of nod bases.

Also of note Is that I've also previous suggested giving the data to Yao or the qatarists.
 
I would rather not understate the military and economic benefits of the specialty plants. There is a reason they are enticing and that reason is their relative Resource cost effectiveness for what they do. Admittedly they are far mostly outstripped in effectiveness by more industrial methods, but they have their niche.

Fair; I suppose it would be more accurate to say that the value of those plants to them is less than the value of Dr. Bora's aid to us.

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wrong again! I specifically said we could drop the data in the rubble of nod bases.

With all due respect, I'm not sure if you're missing the point or being deliberately obtuse; either way, the fact remains is that sharing our agri research with the Bannerjees is unavoidable, and "dropping the data in the rubble of Nod bases" is very clearly not doing that -- we're dealing with human beings and not overly literal AI, after all (both IC with Dr. Bora and the Bannerjees, and OOC with the great and glorious squiddy QM).
 
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Fair; I suppose it would be more accurate to say that the value of those plants to them is less than the value of Dr. Bora's aid to us.
Also.... if NOD factions start plowing their resources into ag domes and farms that's not really a bad result from our point of view.

Edit: Seriously, if someone figured out how to make NOD focus on agriculture and all it took was convincing them that this is stolen Institute technology you cut it out right now that's our intellectual property, then I'm going to find our PsyOps director and give him a medal. Whether he officially exists or not.
 
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With all due respect, I'm not sure if you're missing the point or being deliberately obtuse;

Are you?! I said we could do two specific projects. Karachi and YZ1 marv hub. With a secondary possible benefit/necessity being destroying any nod bases in the way that try to stop us.

for you to take two/three very clear and discrete goals and strawmanning it to mean I want to attack all of India is missing the point of what I've said.
 
Anyone got any ideas about what other developments might start a refit project? May as well go for them now and start the refits department.
Microfusion Cells?
AECCM?
Stealth Disruptor?
Zrbite Sonic Weapons?
Combat Lasers?
Buckler Shields?
 
I don't know where this "give data" idea came from but that's a bit too far. All it says is that "his creations be made Freely available ". Which could just mean that the supply drops of food aid we give Nod already has some new swick plants
 

Caravanserai/ some lesser warlords who let us harvest tib from 'their territory'

It's one thing to supply food. Medication and humanitarian aid to warlords that are no longer fighting. It's quite another to give anything at all we don't physically have to to warlords who are still attacking us.

I've said it before I'll say it again.

If nod wants to get out the hole they need to put down the shovel and stop digging first.
 
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Not to antagonise you when you're already clearly nettled BoS but I think we rather have by picking the specialist.

Cool. Cool. Fine. Giving the data to the caravanserai should apply then?

Thing is. It's a little hard to deliver a post card to india when crocbots are attacking the mailmen and trying to kill their neighbours.
 
Not to antagonise you when you're already clearly nettled BoS but I think we rather have by picking the specialist.
Not really. Again. Something "being made available" and "handing over all data" are two separate things. It's just as likely that we sell it to NOD via the Caravanserei or we just do food drops.

Edit: Also Paladin is more pissed about the accusations of wanting to destroy India which he doesn't and it was an unfair accusation.
 
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I'm perfectly Okay with giving NOD full data on tar-berries and other crops-and you know why?

It's because of the hyper-specific growing conditions we engineer our crops for that makes them a bitch and a half to cultiate
 
Not really. Again. Something "being made available" and "handing over all data" are two separate things. It's just as likely that we sell it to NOD via the Caravanserei or we just do food drops.

Edit: Also Paladin is more pissed about the accusations of wanting to destroy India which he doesn't and it was an unfair accusation.

"Freely available" is the wording actually. It's the rather clear trade-off for getting such a potent specialist, there's no sense trying to get out of it.
 
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