BoSPaladin
The Paladin
The interlude with her in a havoc mech that got its knee shot out?
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
The interlude with her in a havoc mech that got its knee shot out?
Not what I am hearing. I want the shuttles but am getting told they are too expensive. So pull another one.
Pull another one. You just got done saying last page we need more money so we can afford to pay for the shuttles.
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- The Underdark
No, Paris, her favorite restaurant got exploded.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Personally, I don't want to go crazy on all out meme plan mining now just so we're in a good position to distribute income out a little sooner. We've got a pretty intense set of Plan goals ourselves, so we could definitely use the Free dice in a lot of places. Personally, I'm willing to relax, put the Free dice elsewhere, and concentrate on vein mining, as my plan draft illustrates.
I'd say the time for doing that is "not yet." Right now, we're at 2475/3350 processing capacity. We're in no danger of running out of current capacity, or even getting so close to the cap that we can't refit. It's going to be fine. I think we should just take a few turns of relatively 'chill' seven-die tiberium mining plans, with maybe a little extra here and there, to pad out our income a bit further.
The situation is under control and we don't need to panic, assuming we don't have disastrous income problems from the natural one.
This is true, though it should be noted that the last time we used up such a stockpile, it was because of the immediate aftermath of Tib War III.
Personally, I would like to think about building up such an emergency reserve, but gradually- I don't see it as a crash priority unless we have a very good reason to expect an immediate, civilization-devastating disaster that we cannot avert and must instead "brace for."
Check my draft plan. Average Resource expenditure per die is about 18 R/die, and I've got a huge amount of wiggle room; I came in well under the budget I was using, which was itself deliberately 75 R below the budget we have a reasonable hope of getting.
I'm not saying we should just stop building more tiberium mines at all, or anything stupid like that. But we've bought ourselves the freedom to relax, take a breath, and work at a more moderate pace from now on, while putting Free dice in other areas (such as Orbital) where it is nearly certain we'll need them.
The situation is under control and we don't need more terms of frantically shoveling 200 RpT or more of extra funds into the budget by throwing all our Free dice at tiberium projects at once.
...That's not what I said, not that I recall. What I recall saying is that shuttles may be a bit "too rich for our blood" if we're talking about, say, a major five-die spending campaign on them.
But seriously, look at my plan draft on Page 1549, here.
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
What if it's a Chauchat derivative that works? Somehow! I'm not sure I want to commit to two Free dice every turn between now and then, but I do support doing it this turn, and I suspect I'll be supportive of doing it every turn in practice. Draft plan! So. Our budget will have increased...
forums.sufficientvelocity.com
The reason there aren't four shuttle dice is that Urban Metros Phase 4 narratively addresses a problem we've been told about in the text, so I want to do it pretty soon.
So honestly, the whole "pull the other one" thing is making you sound like you're angry and embittered about us telling you a hard "NO SHUTTLES ALLOWED," and I can't even find where I/we said that. Maybe it's the limits of word search because I'm not exhaustively rereading, but still.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
Ah. I probably wasn't around for that vote, since she doesn't seem familiar. Well. I'll just happily wait for the new recruiting options. Hopefully someone good with Tiberium or developing new technologies shows up.
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- MSC
For the record, if we get Tib specialist with just +1 dice and +X bonus, should we pick him?
Personally, unless Tib specialist gives us new tech or massive bonus (as you said), we're probably better off picking in other departments.
We should be capable of achieving Tib Plan goals without too much trouble with what we have, right?
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Dmol8
The Undead Unhinged Lunatic of the Web
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- Belgrade,Serbia
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- He/Him/His
To the people of the Treasury,
It looks like the everything is going great with the new plan. It looks like Isolinear computing is doing great and will hopefully help complete the rest of this plans objectives in record time. We might need stronger computers to calculate the (statistically large amount) of Tiberium that is coming in! As for the general luck this quarter, it is holding high at an average of 51.58.
Side note, would the new recruits/transfers to the Department of Randomness please check their emails? Director Green had a bit of an accident with an old Nod gun he had from his army days. They should have gotten a message explaining that the cleanup will take a few days and that alternate interview locations have been made available.
Shelly Newman, New Assistant to the DR Head Secretary
P.S. It looks like the Orbital Department has gotten everything it wished for this quarter
Quick question for the questers that read these. Would you like to see a full side-story about the Department of Randomness? I've been doing these snippets for awhile now and would like to do something more.
Yeah I'd read it and I would even like to see it as a side-quest.
Seo, realizing he's about to beat Granger's post first reallocation record:
Seo is a mad scientist, not a mob boss. I mean you can have characters that are both, but Seo isn't a mob boss.
. . . Clearly the first thing we need to do with all this revolutionary next gen computer hardware is to port Factorio onto it and see how long it takes for someone to build a base that will bog the whole system to single digit FPS.
We will probably get something like that in one of the GDIOnline posts.
We don't get a choice, a lot of our necessary abatement is also something that will bring in more income and we have a 1200 RpT goal to hit this FYP even if we did a quarter of it this turn.
On top of that if we can get up to or even just close to 5000 RpT from Tiberium mining by the end of the plan we can take the 20% or even the 15% options next plan which would be huge for GDI as a whole.
Mathpost with first preliminary plan for next turn incoming next post.
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- Wall Gazing
Preliminary 2062 Q2 Four Year Plan Required Dice
-All dice estimates are calculated based on the present respective die bonus.
-The total dice numbers at the bottom of each section are the dice requirements for the Required and Semi Required Projects combined.
-Required Projects are those that must be completed for the Plan.
-Semi Required Projects are those that should be completed, but are not technically mandatory for the completion of the Plan. These projects provide efficient methods to achieve the economic targets or otherwise reduce/mitigate the economic costs of the other required and semi required projects.
Any questions/comments are welcome
Bottom Line Up Front: The most stressed section remains Orbital by far, however the quick completion of the Station Bay, the Leopard II factory and the Orbtial AEVA have reduce the conservative estimate for the remaining Space Population by 4 dice. This remains something to watch closely and will likely need ~4-5 Free Dice a turn to complete it. Both Tiberium and Military are under less stress when compared to the start of the turn. Tiberium in particular no longer appears to require Free dice investment. However, they remain the sections under the most stress after Orbital. Heavy Industry remains where it was, with roughly half of its department's dice required. Infrastructure, LCI, Agriculture and Services are not as stressed. It is possible that Infrastructure will be more stressed then it appears given the Refugee situation and the housing needed for them. The same can be said for Agriculture as we still do not have the project details for Reforestation Preparation.
- Infrastructure Projects
- Heavy Industry Projects
- Light and Chemical Industry Projects
- Agricultural Projects
- Tiberium Projects
- Orbital Projects
- Services Projects
- Military Projects
- Economic Targets/Factors
- Dice Required Summary
-All dice estimates are calculated based on the present respective die bonus.
-The total dice numbers at the bottom of each section are the dice requirements for the Required and Semi Required Projects combined.
-Required Projects are those that must be completed for the Plan.
-Semi Required Projects are those that should be completed, but are not technically mandatory for the completion of the Plan. These projects provide efficient methods to achieve the economic targets or otherwise reduce/mitigate the economic costs of the other required and semi required projects.
Any questions/comments are welcome
Bottom Line Up Front: The most stressed section remains Orbital by far, however the quick completion of the Station Bay, the Leopard II factory and the Orbtial AEVA have reduce the conservative estimate for the remaining Space Population by 4 dice. This remains something to watch closely and will likely need ~4-5 Free Dice a turn to complete it. Both Tiberium and Military are under less stress when compared to the start of the turn. Tiberium in particular no longer appears to require Free dice investment. However, they remain the sections under the most stress after Orbital. Heavy Industry remains where it was, with roughly half of its department's dice required. Infrastructure, LCI, Agriculture and Services are not as stressed. It is possible that Infrastructure will be more stressed then it appears given the Refugee situation and the housing needed for them. The same can be said for Agriculture as we still do not have the project details for Reforestation Preparation.
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- MSC
HI technically doesn't need more dice, but Might be a good idea anyway, because who knows how much Energy we'll need on new projects.
If that's not a factor, then we can use it to push Nuuk, after we finish Plan goals.
If that's not a factor, then we can use it to push Nuuk, after we finish Plan goals.
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- Somewhere between the stars
The NOD commender sat down in his chair, a sigh of relief from reading the reports of the spies. With GDI once again squandring it's wealth to give to lesser departments so it's military couldn't keep growing, NOD would have a chance of catching up again.
In that second amother report popped up, as he clicked it, his eyebrow raising. "The treasury is almost back at the pre-rellocation income" which the commander could only say
"What the fuck"
In that second amother report popped up, as he clicked it, his eyebrow raising. "The treasury is almost back at the pre-rellocation income" which the commander could only say
"What the fuck"
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- Mid-Atlantic
We're probably close to maxed out on developing tech; what we really need (to reiterate) are boosts in Heavy Industry, Orbital, and to a lesser extent Tiberium and Military. The main reason I say 'Military' is because three of our eight Military dice (potentially three of our six if we create the spinoff departments) rely on specific individuals that Nod can assassinate. There's nothing really stopping them from killing General Jackson if they get a little luckier, and then suddenly BAM, we're down to six dice per turn for the Plan. Or four, if we've already taken the departments.
It's actually one of our biggest vulnerabilities.
People who give us +1 dice are actually among the better options available for recruitment picks, so if we get an option with +1 Tib dice attached I would at least very seriously consider him. But I'd take +1 Orbital or Heavy Industry dice first, and I might consider a flat bonus to Orbital as worth more than +1 Tiberium dice.
Well, Orbital's tricky because we can't actually math out how much stuff and capacity we need to hit the Plan target, because about 75% of the progress we'll be getting towards our goal comes from stuff that doesn't exist yet and won't be available until we've made a lot of progress (possibly full completion) on Columbia.
Aside from that I think we can pull it off, mind you.
Caveat:
That's because your conservative estimate is so conservative that it assumes the dice investment required to add +1000 Space Population will remain constant. Which is a really freaking conservative estimate, seeing as how if that's true, it means the "Orbital Evacuation" victory path was basically always an illusion. The whole point there was that after you build the first prototype space habitat town/stations, it becomes feasible to do more habitat space per die of invested population. Because building something you have a well understood working model for is easier than building the initial prototype.
With that said, as my draft plan illustrates, yes, I want to put serious Free dice into space.
Well, I'm pretty sure you originally predicted us needing seven or fewer Free dice, and we spent seven Free dice, so go figure.
Also, your Tiberium estimate assumes we'll do almost all our Karachi spending with Tiberium dice. We should bear in mind that (1) the dice bonuses aren't that far apart in the two fields, (2) we'll be rushing to spend as many dice as possible, incentivizing us to activate both, and (3) there are a lot more quasi-mandatory projects in Tiberium than in Infrastructure. It is therefore likely that the dice burden of Karachi will be roughly evenly split between the two categories, in my opinion.As for your Military estimates, the thing is, you designed them around the assumption that we'd immediately lose -2 dice to the Bureaus on the very first turn of the Plan. As long as your methodology remains consistent, we effectively reduce the required Military dice to complete our Plan goals by +2/turn every turn by just sitting there and not creating those bureaus. That is over and above any work we have those two dice doing towards our Plan goals.
I'm not saying your methodology is bad, but it has certain implications and will tend to overstate things in certain ways. Which can even be an advantage.
I'm pretty sure we can keep ahead of Housing fairly easily as long as we're not trying to commit to "all population in HQ Housing by end of Plan," which we didn't promise anyone anyway.
Worst case, we can build Lesser Arcologies.
As for Heavy Industry, bear in mind that your estimates leave out Advanced Alloys (which we may want because it takes strain off other projects and makes them easier to complete). And Nuuk Phase 4, which we may want because otherwise we're actually stretched for Capital Goods in the overall Plan. Sure, if we do nothing other than required projects we wind up at +42 by plan's end, but there's no realistic way that's all we'll do.
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Oops, sorry Simon, meant to say Tib Plan goals, not all of them.
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- USA
Oh boy. That's intimidating.
Thank God the other departments aren't as stressed.
We definitely need to focus on the mega projects where we can. We need the big infusions of stuff plus then we can have the freedom to pursue other things with the not required dice.
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Well, I'm pretty sure you originally predicted us needing seven or fewer Free dice, and we spent seven Free dice, so go figure.
As for your Military estimates, the thing is, you designed them around the assumption that we'd immediately lose -2 dice to the Bureaus on the very first turn of the Plan. As long as your methodology remains consistent, we effectively reduce the required Military dice to complete our Plan goals by +2/turn every turn by just sitting there and not creating those bureaus. That is over and above any work we have those two dice doing towards our Plan goals.
I'm not saying your methodology is bad, but it has certain implications and will tend to overstate things in certain ways. Which can even be an advantage.
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Sure, if we do nothing other than required projects we wind up at +42 by plan's end, but there's no realistic way that's all we'll do.
You are correct with the description of my methodology. The reasoning behind it is to give a conservative, extremely so in some cases, estimate of what we need. Whole point is to figure out what we need to focus on in the worst case. It is true that if we delay the Munitions and Refit Departments that will naturally save us dice. Once we have better values on what is needed to achieve the Plan Goals I will update the analysis. For example, with Tiberium this turn, because we rolled high on our income, we now need only 18 instead of 20 phases of vein mines to achieve our income goals and that is shown in the analysis.
The intent behind these analyses is to say this is, conservatively, based on what hard information we have now, what we need to spend to complete the Plan. This is how much slack we have to do other things that we want.
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As @Simon_Jester and I note that is a highly conservative estimate based on the prototype station's progress efficiency. Not the mass production version. It is highly likely that the die cost will drop by something like 30-40 dice
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Strunkriidiisk
THE LEGEND
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- Canada
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- He/Him
I still think we might as well focus on Shala before Columbia. Shala should basically cover our food requirements for space habitat supply for the foreseeable future, so I'd like to get that done first just so we don't have to slow our roll to do it later. At least let's get Shala and Columbia to Phase 3 each (to use Columbia to work the kinks out of space habitats and leave that to cook) then whack out the rest of Shala to make sure we can get up the self-sufficiency infrastructure, then we can make the mad dash for maximum space habitation.
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- Mid-Atlantic
I just want to make it clear that I respect this approach and find it very reasonable.
My main goal is to detail exactly how and why your estimates are conservative, so that readers can understand why your estimates are valuable, but also why those same estimates are not necessarily cause for as much concern as they might seem. This can also be a useful way for us to foresee and explore possible paths for avoiding bottlenecks your estimates identify, such as "use a lot of Infrastructure dice on Karachi to take strain off the Tiberium category."
My own plan draft throws a bunch of Free dice at Orbital, probably completes Columbia up through Phase 3, and probably completes Shala up through Phase 2 in the same turn. I'd probably want to keep up at least a trickle of steady work on both stations at once.
Personally, I'm hoping to complete Columbia first, simply because it would really, REALLY help if we knew what the post-Columbia second generation habitat option(s) look like. If we had that information, it would tell us much more clearly and precisely how much work we need to do to hit our target, so I don't want to sit around cooling my heels leaving Columbia unfinished for longer than necessary.
At the same time, I want at least a few phases of Shala complete before I start seriously trying to push through Columbia Phase 5.
Infrastructure (5 dice +36 bonus) 95R
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 2)(Progress 22/250: 25 resources per die) (+5 Logistics) 2D
-[] Urban Metros (Phase 4)(Progress 0/150: 15 resources per die) (+3 Logistics, -2 Energy) 1D
-[] Lesser Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1) (New)(Progress 0/170: 15 resources per die) (+4 Housing, +1 Energy Reserve, +1 Food Reserve) 2D
Heavy Industry (4 dice +33 bonus) 60R
-[] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development (Tech)(Progress 0/120: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech)(Progress 0/120: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (Progress 0/300: 10 resources per die) (-2 Labor, -4 Energy, -2 Capital Goods, +8 Consumer goods, +4 Logistics) (+10 Political Support) 2D
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice +28 bonus) 90R
-[] Civilian Ultralight Factories (Progress 0/190: 15 resources per die) (+8 consumer goods) (-1 Energy) 2D
-[] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 4) (Updated)(Progress 65/760: 30 resources per die) (+4 Capital Goods, +8 Energy) (-2 Logistics) (+5 Political Support) 2D
Agriculture (4 dice +28 bonus) 35R
-[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2)(Progress 26/250: 15 resources per die) (+12 Food, -1 Energy, -1 Capital Goods) 1D
-[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3)(Progress 315/450: 10 resources per die) (+8 Consumer Goods) (+1 to all dice) 2D
-[] Security Reviews - Agri 1D+2BD
Tiberium (7 dice, 7FD +38 bonus) 300R
-[] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2)(Progress 5/195: 20 resources per die) (Additional Income Trickle [20-35]) (+1 Yellow Zone Abatement) (-1 Capital Goods) 7D+3FD
-[] Tiberium Inhibitor Deployment
--[] Blue Zone 1 (Progress 0/100: 30 resources per die) (-3 Energy) (+2 Yellow Zone Abatement) (1 Political Support) 2FD
-[] Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development (Tech)(Progress 0/160: 20 resources per die) 2FD
Orbital (6 dice +33 bonus) 100R
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12)(Progress 32/170: 10 resources per die) (10-15 resources X 2) (Unlocks Orbital Power Stations) (+5 Political Support) (20 progress discount on earth orbit satellites) 2D
-[] Lunar Heavy Metals Mines (Phase 4)(Progress 25/345: 20 resources per die) (+20 Resources per turn) 4D
Services (5 dice +31 bonus) 95R
-[] Gene Clinics (New)(Progress 94/120: 10 resources per die) (-1 Labor) 1D
-[] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 1)(Progress 213/300: 25 resources per die) (+4 Health) (-1 Energy, -1 Capital Goods, -1 Labor) 1D
-[] Kamisuwa Optical Laboratories (New)(Progress 0/250: 20 resources per die) (-2 Labor, -2 Energy) 3D
Military (8 dice +30 bonus) 130R
-[] Modular Rapid Assembly System Prototypes (Tech) (High Priority)(Progress 0/125: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) (Updated) (Very High Priority) (Progress 0/180: 20 resources per die) 4D
-[] Guardian Mark 2 Development (Platform)(Progress 0/40: 10 resources per die) 1D
-[] Mammoth Block Four Development (Platform)(Progress 0/40: 10 resources per die) 1D
-[] Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1)(Progress 142/200: 10 resources per die) (-1 Labor, -1 Energy) (Very High Priority) 1D
Bureaucracy (4 dice +28 bonus)
-[] Predictive Modeling Management (-10 Capital Goods) (Changes dice to 2d50) 2D
-[] Security Reviews - Agri 2D
95 + 60 + 90 + 35 + 300 + 100 + 95 + 130
885/1000
Work in Progress... by a lot
-[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 2)(Progress 22/250: 25 resources per die) (+5 Logistics) 2D
-[] Urban Metros (Phase 4)(Progress 0/150: 15 resources per die) (+3 Logistics, -2 Energy) 1D
-[] Lesser Blue Zone Arcologies (Phase 1) (New)(Progress 0/170: 15 resources per die) (+4 Housing, +1 Energy Reserve, +1 Food Reserve) 2D
Heavy Industry (4 dice +33 bonus) 60R
-[] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development (Tech)(Progress 0/120: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development (Tech)(Progress 0/120: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants (Progress 0/300: 10 resources per die) (-2 Labor, -4 Energy, -2 Capital Goods, +8 Consumer goods, +4 Logistics) (+10 Political Support) 2D
Light and Chemical Industry (4 dice +28 bonus) 90R
-[] Civilian Ultralight Factories (Progress 0/190: 15 resources per die) (+8 consumer goods) (-1 Energy) 2D
-[] Bergen Superconductor Foundry (Phase 4) (Updated)(Progress 65/760: 30 resources per die) (+4 Capital Goods, +8 Energy) (-2 Logistics) (+5 Political Support) 2D
Agriculture (4 dice +28 bonus) 35R
-[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2)(Progress 26/250: 15 resources per die) (+12 Food, -1 Energy, -1 Capital Goods) 1D
-[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3)(Progress 315/450: 10 resources per die) (+8 Consumer Goods) (+1 to all dice) 2D
-[] Security Reviews - Agri 1D+2BD
Tiberium (7 dice, 7FD +38 bonus) 300R
-[] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2)(Progress 5/195: 20 resources per die) (Additional Income Trickle [20-35]) (+1 Yellow Zone Abatement) (-1 Capital Goods) 7D+3FD
-[] Tiberium Inhibitor Deployment
--[] Blue Zone 1 (Progress 0/100: 30 resources per die) (-3 Energy) (+2 Yellow Zone Abatement) (1 Political Support) 2FD
-[] Improved Hewlett Gardener Process Development (Tech)(Progress 0/160: 20 resources per die) 2FD
Orbital (6 dice +33 bonus) 100R
-[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11+12)(Progress 32/170: 10 resources per die) (10-15 resources X 2) (Unlocks Orbital Power Stations) (+5 Political Support) (20 progress discount on earth orbit satellites) 2D
-[] Lunar Heavy Metals Mines (Phase 4)(Progress 25/345: 20 resources per die) (+20 Resources per turn) 4D
Services (5 dice +31 bonus) 95R
-[] Gene Clinics (New)(Progress 94/120: 10 resources per die) (-1 Labor) 1D
-[] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 1)(Progress 213/300: 25 resources per die) (+4 Health) (-1 Energy, -1 Capital Goods, -1 Labor) 1D
-[] Kamisuwa Optical Laboratories (New)(Progress 0/250: 20 resources per die) (-2 Labor, -2 Energy) 3D
Military (8 dice +30 bonus) 130R
-[] Modular Rapid Assembly System Prototypes (Tech) (High Priority)(Progress 0/125: 20 resources per die) 1D
-[] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3) (Updated) (Very High Priority) (Progress 0/180: 20 resources per die) 4D
-[] Guardian Mark 2 Development (Platform)(Progress 0/40: 10 resources per die) 1D
-[] Mammoth Block Four Development (Platform)(Progress 0/40: 10 resources per die) 1D
-[] Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1)(Progress 142/200: 10 resources per die) (-1 Labor, -1 Energy) (Very High Priority) 1D
Bureaucracy (4 dice +28 bonus)
-[] Predictive Modeling Management (-10 Capital Goods) (Changes dice to 2d50) 2D
-[] Security Reviews - Agri 2D
95 + 60 + 90 + 35 + 300 + 100 + 95 + 130
885/1000
Work in Progress... by a lot
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- USA
I personally want to see if the Improved Hewlett Gardener Process would improve the STU production ratio since some of our more advanced projects are expected to use STUs but we are currently very limited in how much we can produce. Since completing the development does not require us to deploy it immediately, and eventually deploying it is a plan goal, I do not see a significant down side in completing the development tech early.
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- Mid-Atlantic
While we're fortunate that Chicago Phase 5 appears to have zero listed -Logistics costs, unlike Phase 4... I still don't think this is the best investment. The things it gives us, we don't urgently need right this minute, whereas it would be very helpful to spend this turn working on other things in these categories. Like more Logistics projects, or a design for our improved fusion reactor, or finishing the half-completed electric car factories we started this turn.
There's not a lot of immediate incentive for us to do this kind of surge project on Chicago.
It may not be a good idea to plan on pursuing another turn of extremely intense Red Zone mining right after the first one. We don't know what consequences we'll get from the natural one we rolled on Super Glacier Mining. We're probably better off switching to vein mining for Q2.
In your case, even more so than for a plan like mine, because you're planning to surge us towards getting a big +12 Capital Goods project in the near future.
I don't think it's a good move to focus on the plasma cannons instead of power armor factories, and I think the LOSS constellation should probably just wait a few turns until we get Orbital Cleanup done. On which note, yeah, I'd put one Orbital die towards that. Shala's nice and all, but it's not the only thing in the world.
Remember, our Q4 power armor factory had delays starting production, and we didn't complete one at all in Q1. Putting only a single die on that program in Q2 means we're really starting to fall behind any reasonable schedule.
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- Wall Gazing
Budget: 920/1050 R
[] Draft Plan: Islands In The Void
-[] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, 110 R)
--[] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 10) 87/160 (1 die, 10 R) (79% chance)
--[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 2) 22/250 (4 dice, 100 R) (Phase 2, 18% chance Phase 3)
-[] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, 60 R)
--[] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 112/300 (2 dice, 20 R) (45% chance)
--[] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)
--[] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)
-[] Light Industry (4/4 Dice, 80 R)
--[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 5) 50/1280 (4 dice, 80 R) (4/16 median)
-[] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, 35 R)
--[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 (1 die, 15 R) (1/3 median)
--[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) 315/450 (2 dice, 20 R) (80% chance)
--[] Agriculture Security Review (1 die)
-[] Tiberium (7 Dice, 140 R)
--[] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2-4) 5/750? (7 dice, 140 R) (Stage 2, Stage 3, 81% Stage 4, 7.6% Stage 5)
-[] Orbital (6 + 7 Free Dice + E, 260 R)
--[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11-12) 32/170 (1 die + E, 20 R) (99% Stage 11, 61% Stage 12)
--[] GDSS Shala (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)
--[] GDSS Columbia (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)
-[] Services (5/5 Dice, 105 R)
--[] Gene Clinics 94/120 (1 die, 10 R) (100% chance)
--[] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 1) 213/300 (1 die, 25 R) (56% chance)
--[] Kamisuwa Optical Laboratories 0/250 (1 die, 20 R) (1/3 median)
--[] Ocular Implant Deployment 0/200 (2 dice, 50 R) (31% chance)
-[] Military (8/8 Dice, 130 R)
--[] Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1) 142/200 (1 die, 10 R) (88% chance)
--[] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3-4) 147/360 (2 dice, 40 R) (Phase 3, 20% chance Phase 4)
--[] Shark Class Frigate Shipyards (Seattle) 0/300 (3 Dice, 60 R) (20% chance)
--[] Modular Rapid Assembly System Prototypes 0/125 (1 die, 20 R) (77% chance)
--[] Military Security Review (1 die)
-[] Bureaucracy (4/4 Dice)
--[] Focus Reallocation: Services to Heavy Industry (1 die)
--[] Agriculture Security Review (1 die)
--[] Military Security Review (1 die)
--[] 1 die Floating. Might put it on a security review, might go for something else like legal.
Main idea behind this plan is to rush out the first three phases of both Columbia and Shala to get access to their Bays and see what is on the table, also to clear out the orbits, finally. AKA: SPAAAAAAAACE!!!!!
[] Draft Plan: Islands In The Void
-[] Infrastructure (5/5 Dice, 110 R)
--[] Blue Zone Apartments (Phase 10) 87/160 (1 die, 10 R) (79% chance)
--[] Suborbital Shuttle Service (Phase 2) 22/250 (4 dice, 100 R) (Phase 2, 18% chance Phase 3)
-[] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, 60 R)
--[] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 112/300 (2 dice, 20 R) (45% chance)
--[] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)
--[] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)
-[] Light Industry (4/4 Dice, 80 R)
--[] Reykjavik Myomer Macrospinner (Phase 5) 50/1280 (4 dice, 80 R) (4/16 median)
-[] Agriculture (4/4 Dice, 35 R)
--[] Agriculture Mechanization Projects (Phase 2) 26/250 (1 die, 15 R) (1/3 median)
--[] Wadmalaw Kudzu Plantations (Phase 3) 315/450 (2 dice, 20 R) (80% chance)
--[] Agriculture Security Review (1 die)
-[] Tiberium (7 Dice, 140 R)
--[] Tiberium Vein Mines (Stage 2-4) 5/750? (7 dice, 140 R) (Stage 2, Stage 3, 81% Stage 4, 7.6% Stage 5)
-[] Orbital (6 + 7 Free Dice + E, 260 R)
--[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11-12) 32/170 (1 die + E, 20 R) (99% Stage 11, 61% Stage 12)
--[] GDSS Shala (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)
--[] GDSS Columbia (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)
-[] Services (5/5 Dice, 105 R)
--[] Gene Clinics 94/120 (1 die, 10 R) (100% chance)
--[] Regional Hospital Expansions (Phase 1) 213/300 (1 die, 25 R) (56% chance)
--[] Kamisuwa Optical Laboratories 0/250 (1 die, 20 R) (1/3 median)
--[] Ocular Implant Deployment 0/200 (2 dice, 50 R) (31% chance)
-[] Military (8/8 Dice, 130 R)
--[] Railgun Munitions Factories (Phase 1) 142/200 (1 die, 10 R) (88% chance)
--[] Ground Forces Zone Armor (Set 1) (Phase 3-4) 147/360 (2 dice, 40 R) (Phase 3, 20% chance Phase 4)
--[] Shark Class Frigate Shipyards (Seattle) 0/300 (3 Dice, 60 R) (20% chance)
--[] Modular Rapid Assembly System Prototypes 0/125 (1 die, 20 R) (77% chance)
--[] Military Security Review (1 die)
-[] Bureaucracy (4/4 Dice)
--[] Focus Reallocation: Services to Heavy Industry (1 die)
--[] Agriculture Security Review (1 die)
--[] Military Security Review (1 die)
--[] 1 die Floating. Might put it on a security review, might go for something else like legal.
Main idea behind this plan is to rush out the first three phases of both Columbia and Shala to get access to their Bays and see what is on the table, also to clear out the orbits, finally. AKA: SPAAAAAAAACE!!!!!
Are you husbanding Energy for something? Because we need to finish 3 BZ Inhibitors for the plan goals. Or is YZ-11 so bad for underground Tyberium?
We might need to get the Columbia bays done first before the next station will be open. The dedicated shipyard space station is gated behind the shipyard bays if I'm not wrong.
With the bays we will most likely decide how the next station will be designed and how much it will cost progress wise.
- Pronouns
- He/It/Argh!
I think that that might be wrong. Because of our choices, Enterprise will be the Shipyard station. We won't need to build an additional station for shipyards.
I meant that because we decided to focus on Shipyards we will get a Shipyard station earlier. Basically gaining experience from small scale construction projects in the Enterprise Bays will open a larger purpose designed shipyard for our space navy. The Enterprise Bays will most likely be able to produce a limited number of ships at a time. Due to limited construction slip size. What most of the bay will be dedicated will be development labs and factories for specialized parts that would be better made in orbit instead of shipped from Earth.
Enterprise won't be a dedicated shipyard station after the bays complete. It will be something like an emergency measure to just get some ships out.
As to the Columbia bays. We will decide using those bays how space habitation will be handled at least in the near future. Basically if those will be commie blocks to apartments in space. So the next station will be built using the experience from the bays.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Hm. I favor Metros Phase 4 alongside shuttles for narrative reasons, but I can get behind this I guess.
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-[] Heavy Industry (4/4 Dice, 60 R)
--[] Personal Electric Vehicle Plants 112/300 (2 dice, 20 R) (45% chance)
--[] Low Velocity Particle Applicator Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)
--[] Improved Continuous Cycle Fusion Development 0/120 (1 die, 20 R) (34% chance)Note that the reason I had Erewhon on this and not elsewhere was because (1) it seems likely that Erewhon can contribute significantly to modeling and design of a fusion reactor, and (2) because I actually kind of want that project done literally this turn, so that we could, for instance, build a tranche of reactors to the new specifications in Q3 and Q4 at a reasonable pace. If I were going to take Erewhon off the project, I'd cancel LVPAD to focus more dice on the fusion project.
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-[] Orbital (6 + 7 Free Dice + E, 260 R)
--[] Orbital Cleanup (Stage 11-12) 32/170 (1 die + E, 20 R) (99% Stage 11, 61% Stage 12)
--[] GDSS Shala (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)
--[] GDSS Columbia (Phase 1-3) 0/455 (6 dice, 120 R) (Phase 1, Phase 2, 90% chance Phase 3)Certainly, I'd put Erewhon on the fusion plants over the orbital cleanup project, since the latter simply has no true urgency in my assessment.
I can respect what you're doing with the Free dice. Me, I'm trying to make up for disappointing results on the Ground Force power armor factories by pushing ahead and hopefully getting two factories in one turn, while also hitting other goals I consider important, and also having a Free die to spare for the YZ-11 inhibitor now that we've concluded that's actually a key one to use in Operation No Tiberium Touching Lava.
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-[] Bureaucracy (4/4 Dice)
--[] Focus Reallocation: Services to Heavy Industry (1 die)
--[] Agriculture Security Review (1 die)
--[] Military Security Review (1 die)
--[] 1 die Floating. Might put it on a security review, might go for something else like legal.I definitely wanted to put two dice on the military review, because that's a category where I want the absolute minimum chance of any kind of fuckup now that we've finally gotten around to doing it.
YZ-11 in particular is one of several Zones around the world that happens to sit on the Pacific Rim, in an area known for relatively high levels of vulcanism and, if I recall correctly, a subduction zone under the ocean nearby.
All things considered, yes, it is particularly bad as a potential place for underground tiberium to live. Not necessarily the worst thing in the world, but very much On The List of zones I want an inhibitor in. And yes, most of the other available contenders (such as BZ-6, the Japanese Blue Zone, or Iceland) are not being taken this turn because I'm conserving Energy until such time as we know we can get second-generation fusion power to top off our supplies.
At a bare minimum, we need Columbia up through Phase 3-4 before we can start planning ahead to the next generation habitat options. Exactly what the requirements are remains to be seen, but we know what we need to do in order to be able to even start looking, and Columbia is probably more critical to that process than Shala even if both are important.
Well, it'll be a shipyard. It's just that it'll be a small scale bespoke shipyard compared to The State of Shipyards to Come.
- Location
- USA
I believe we were told that because of the bay choices, a mega project in orbital after finishing the stations would be a rather impressive shipyard station.