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Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition

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Okay, if I'm reading this right then choosing all the Forgotten Commitments except for Initial Forgotten Integration comes to a total of 13 Leverage pts - Tiberium Research costs 4, Tiberium Work Crews costs 2, the Salvage Purchasing Agreement costs 2, Military Support costs 3 and the Human Terrain Initiative costs 2. Considering our starting Leverage is -8 that leaves a surplus of 5, which needs to be reduced to 1 in order for the Forgotten to accept it.

To bring the Leverage rating down to 1 we can take Deploy New Habitats to reduce the Leverage by 2, and as it only requires 50 pts we can probably get it completed with a single dice. We can also reduce the Leverage by 2 by taking Life Support Assistance to build Personal Water Purifiers, which at 150 pts isn't all that expensive but it does take up dice in Light & Chemical Industry, which we're going to need to complete Lithium Battery Plants and Experimental Carbon Nanotube Plants (which should alleviate the Capital Goods shortage a bit). On the other hand we could just drop the Salvage Purchasing Agreement, which would reduce the Leverage by 2 as well.

As far as Parliament goes, we automatically have the votes of the Strong Support of the Developmentalists and United Yellow List, which gives us 39 votes (32+7) . The Tiberium Work Crews option with the Forgotten gives us the Weak Support of the Developmentalists (18), and the Military Support gives us the Strong Support among the Hawks (3 seats). We're more than halfway completing Phase 1 of GDSS Enterprise, and finishing that will give us the Weak Support of the Independents (4 seats), while completing Phase 1 of one of the other space stations like GDSS Philadelphia will gain us the support of the Weak Opposition of the Independents (2 seats). To gain Weak Support of the United Yellow List we need to complete two Yellow Zone Infrastructure projects (2 seats). Finally completing two of the Navy projects, each of which is only 40 pts so should only require a single dice each, will net us the Weak Support of the Hawks (7 seats) for a total of 75 seats.

32+7+18+3+4+2+2+7 =75

[]Forgotten Commitments
-[] Tiberium Research (4 Leverage)
-[ ] Tiberium Work Crews (2 Leverage)
-[ ] Salvage Purchasing Agreement (2 Leverage)
-[ ] Military Support (3 Leverage)
-[ ] Human Terrain Initiatives (2 Leverage)
[]GDI Concessions
-[ ] Life Support Assistance (-2 Leverage) (Must construct Personal Water Purifier Plants before end of plan)
-[ ] Deploy New Habitats(-2 Leverage) (New project (Prefabricated Shelter Deployments)(Progress 0/50: 5 resources per die)

Total Leverage: 1

[]Parliament
-[]Developmentalists
--[]Strong Support (32) [automatic]
--[]Weak Support (18) [Tiberium Work Crews]
-[]United Yellow List
--[]Strong Support (7) [automatic]
--[]Weak Support (2) [two Yellow Zone Infrastructure projects]
-[]Hawks
--[]Strong Support (3) [Military Support]
--[]Weak Support (7) [two Navy projects]
-[]Independents
--[]Weak Support (4) [1 phase of space stations]
--[]Weak Opposition (2) [2 phases of space stations]

75 seats

@Ithillid Will the Forgotten automatically accept a plan with a Leverage of 1 or less, or is there only a chance of success which increases the further the plan is in the Forgotten's favour?

Will completing Phase 1 of the GDSS Enterprise, which we started last turn, be enough to get the Weak Support Independents on side?

The Weak Support for United Yellow List requires that we complete two Yellow Zone Infrastructure projects to gain their support. Do those projects have to be part of the Infrastructure section of our economy, or would the Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays we started this turn count towards this?

If we include Military Support in the Forgotten Commitments (which improves military results and the impact of military operations in the Red Zones) and we include Captured NOD Equipment and Initiative Communication Support as part of our concessions, with those further improve the impact of military operations in teh Red Zones, as the Forgotten are better armed and coordinated with GDI?
 
Derpmind said:
So, we can afford this. It's one Capital Goods factory's worth. It means we'll have to really focus on Capital Goods a bit harder the next few turns, though, and that will squeeze out some secondary concerns in favor of fulfilling our objectives and obligations. (Like that 95 mitigation target, or whatever we commit to in Parliament.)
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Its a hit to cap goods when we are behind on that and are running out of ones that do not need additional power to produce, I dont think we can afford that this time. But it sounds like we can call another conference so that goes up the list to take at the next conference say sometime next plan (and not at the end of the plan so we have to rush to fit every promise in)

Derpmind said:
Light and Chemical Industry +8
-[] Personal Water Purification Units 0/150 2 dice 20R 34%, 3 dice 30R 78%, 4 dice 40R 96%

Basically one turn's worth to do.
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Yeah but that means LCI is not doing lithium or cap goods or consumer goods for a turn so going with the previous option really hamstrining us. More so when there are better options right now. Like NOD equipment (we should be picking up +10 PS from options at the least before plan ends) or prefab (50 progress and 5 R a dice makes that an easy call)
 
Ithillid said:
[ ] Human Terrain Initiatives
By consenting to anthropological studies, the Forgotten can allow GDI to more easily read their social cues and signposts. While not particularly temporally distant from their prewar cultures, the Forgotten have undergone a substantial social upheaval in the last decades. With more expansive studies, GDI can hopefully avoid clashes, as occurred in the aftermath of the Second Tiberium War.
(2 Leverage) (Decreases Leverage costs in future conferences.)
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[ ] Initial Forgotten Integration
While the Forgotten are a separatist group, and do not particularly wish to join GDI on any form of systemic basis, creating programs to help integrate and support the individuals who do want to return to the Initiative as full citizens will help ensure closer integration of Forgotten and GDI interests. While they will be a tiny minority, GDI can and will be able to better engage with citizens than outsiders.
(12 Leverage)
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Do we try to go for the Integration right away or do we get the Terrain Initiatives and a bunch of other stuff now and push for integration in a future conference?

@Ithillid, how often are we going to have these conferences?
 
So trying in plan voting format

[]plan: All the Things
[]Forgotten Commitments
-[] Tiberium Research (4 Leverage) (Improved Tiberium medical research speed and results)
-[] Tiberium Work Crews (2 Leverage) (A pair of new projects for Tiberium extraction open up to use Forgotten labor to extract mass Tiberium)
-[] Military Support (3 Leverage) (Improves military results. Increases impact of military operations in Red Zones)
-[] Initial Forgotten Integration(12 Leverage)
[]GDI Concessions
-[] Liquid Assets (-2 Leverage) (-10 Resources per Turn)
-[] Initiative Communications Support (-4 Leverage) (-- Capital Goods, -- Consumer goods)
-[] Life Support Assistance (-2 Leverage) (Must construct Personal Water Purifier Plants before end of plan)
-[] Captured NOD Equipment (-2 Leverage) (-5 PS)
-[] Deploy New Habitats (-2 Leverage) (New project (Prefabricated Shelter Deployments)(Progress 0/50: 5 resources per die)
Total leverage:1
[]Parliament
-[] Hawks
--[] Strong Support +3 The treaty must include Military Support
-[] United Yellow List
--[] Strong Support +7 No Demands
-[X Independents
--[] Weak Support +4 Finish at least one phase of space stations by the end of plan
-[] Development
--[X] Strong Support +32 No Demands
--[] Weak Support +18 The Treaty must include Tiberium Work Crews
Total Support:72

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Void Stalker said:
You only have 64 from the current support and your concessions are going to hurt us pretty bad with everything that has to be done.
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oops fixing
 
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Giving offers that are feasible for us to finish by end of plan while also picking up a good amount from the Forgotten. The two things we are giving them are things that are easy to fit in (a -5 PS hit when we have at least 10 more PS gain this plan and a 0/50 5 R per dice project).

I do not consider any of the other offers for senate support viable without causing projects we need done before the new plan starts to have to be ignored- and there are several critical projects we need up and running before the new plan commences

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[X] Plan Cheap Price.
 
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[X] Plan Cheap Price.
-[X] Tiberium Research (4)
-[X] Tiberium Work Crews (2)
-[X] Salvage Purchasing Agreement (2)
-[X] Military Support (3)
-[X] Human Terrain Initiatives (2)
-[X] Captured NOD Equipment (-2)
-[X] Deploy New Habitats (-2)
-[X] Hawks
--[X] The treaty must include Military Support (+3)
--[X] GDI must complete at least two Naval Development Projects before end of plan. (+7)
-[X] United Yellow List
--[X] No Demands (+7)
-[X] Independents
--[X] Finish at least one phase of space stations by the end of plan. (+4)
--[X] Finish at least two phases of space stations by end of plan. (+2)
-[X] Development
--[X] No Demands (+32)
--[X] The Treaty must include Tiberium Work Crews (+18)

Gets us every Forgotten Commitment except Initial Forgotten Integration, and only costs us -5PS and an easy 1 or 2 dice LCI project. Parliment, meanwhile, asks us to do some more Orbital investment and do two easy Military research projects.

I really want to do Initial Forgotten Integration but it's, well, really expensive. And we'd only have 3 turns to do all of this stuff. So with this plan I'm basically just hoping we do that in the future sometime.

Edit: @Void Stalker We have the same plan, don't we? -_-
 
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Derpmind said:
These are the only two projects available, and I don't think this turn's Yellow Zone Reconstruction counts. (@Ithillid ?) Rather more expensive to do than most options.
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Current turns YZ Reconstruction does not count towards this.
Chaeronea said:
@Ithillid Will the Forgotten automatically accept a plan with a Leverage of 1 or less, or is there only a chance of success which increases the further the plan is in the Forgotten's favour?
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They will automatically accept. Leverage is a representation of how far you can push them. Right now, you are a big kid on the block, and you can do a lot where the Forgotten won't push back.
Chaeronea said:
Will completing Phase 1 of the GDSS Enterprise, which we started last turn, be enough to get the Weak Support Independents on side?
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It will.
Chaeronea said:
The Weak Support for United Yellow List requires that we complete two Yellow Zone Infrastructure projects to gain their support. Do those projects have to be part of the Infrastructure section of our economy, or would the Yellow Zone Aquaponics Bays we started this turn count towards this?
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It has to be part of the Infrastructure section. There will be a few new projects for infra however.
Chaeronea said:
If we include Military Support in the Forgotten Commitments (which improves military results and the impact of military operations in the Red Zones) and we include Captured NOD Equipment and Initiative Communication Support as part of our concessions, with those further improve the impact of military operations in teh Red Zones, as the Forgotten are better armed and coordinated with GDI?
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Yes. Some of the concessions on the list are actually things that you want to do, but at least appear to be in the forgotten's favor.
Ashmaker said:
@Ithillid, how often are we going to have these conferences?
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Either as crises happen, or every two to three years, whichever is more common. For example, with the Kane's Wrath crisis which just happened, you would have been able to call a conference to get some immediate support. It would have cost you, but it is a way to quickly find some combat bonuses for example.
 
[X] Plan Support, not Weapons
-[X] Tiberium Research (4)
-[X] Tiberium Work Crews (2)
-[X] Salvage Purchasing Agreement (2)
-[X] Military Support (3)
-[X] Human Terrain Initiatives (2)
-[X] Life Support Assistance (-2)
-[X] Deploy New Habitats (-2)
-[X] Hawks
--[X] The treaty must include Military Support (+3)
--[X] GDI must complete at least two Naval Development Projects before end of plan. (+7)
-[X] United Yellow List
--[X] No Demands (+7)
-[X] Independents
--[X] Finish at least one phase of space stations by the end of plan. (+4)
--[X] Finish at least two phases of space stations by end of plan. (+2)
-[X] Development
--[X] No Demands (+32)
--[X] The Treaty must include Tiberium Work Crews (+18)

Different plan. This one doesn't supply weapons but instead asks us to finish the Personal Water Purifier project. It does cost us a (cheap-ish) project instead of 5 PS, but in exchange gives us ++ Health and means we're supplying much needed Life Support to the Forgotten. About 3 dice and 30R more expensive, but of more benefit to us and the Forgotten.
 
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[X] Plan Cheap Price.

Getting the water purifiers will stretch us even further when we are already stretched badly.

The PS cost is far superior right now.

Edit: Derpmind and Void Stalker having the exact same plan was amusing.
 
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So fixed plan


[X]plan All the Things
[X]Forgotten Commitments
-[X] Tiberium Research (4 Leverage) (Improved Tiberium medical research speed and results)
-[X] Tiberium Work Crews (2 Leverage) (A pair of new projects for Tiberium extraction open up to use Forgotten labor to extract mass Tiberium)
-[X] Military Support (3 Leverage) (Improves military results. Increases impact of military operations in Red Zones)
-[X] Initial Forgotten Integration(12 Leverage)
[X]GDI Concessions
-[X] Liquid Assets (-2 Leverage) (-10 Resources per Turn)
-[X] Initiative Communications Support (-4 Leverage) (-- Capital Goods, -- Consumer goods)
-[X] Life Support Assistance (-2 Leverage) (Must construct Personal Water Purifier Plants before end of plan)
-[X] Captured NOD Equipment (-2 Leverage) (-5 PS)
-[X] Deploy New Habitats (-2 Leverage) (New project (Prefabricated Shelter Deployments)(Progress 0/50: 5 resources per die)
Total leverage:1
[X]Parliament
-[X] Hawks
--[X] Strong Support +3 The treaty must include Military Support
--[X] Weak Support +7 GDI must complete at least two Naval Development Projects before end of plan.
-[X] United Yellow List
--[X] Strong Support +7 No Demands
-[X] Independents
--[X] Weak Support +4 Finish at least one phase of space stations by the end of plan
-[X] Development
--[X] Strong Support +32 No Demands
--[X] Weak Support +18 The Treaty must include Tiberium Work Crews
--[X] Weak Opposition +3 GDI must achieve net equality (=) on capital goods by end of plan
Total Support:74
 
[X] Plan Cheap Price.

Someone pointed out that my plans didn't need the Weak Support of the United Yellow List to reach the necessary votes so I was going to drop that, and replacing the Life Support / Personal Water Purifiers with Captured NOD Equipment takes the dice demand off LCI. So it was the same as Derpmind's original plan, which is why I'm voting for it.
 
There is no way we would ever pull that off, unless every dice roll we got is high numbers.

And even then it's probably impossible.

Sorry Snake, but no way.
 
liquidsnake4673 said:
--[X] Weak Opposition +3 GDI must achieve net equality (=) on capital goods by end of plan
-[X] Initiative Communications Support (-4 Leverage) (-- Capital Goods, -- Consumer goods)
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This combination might lead to problems as we run out of Capital Goods production options that can be done without producing more power and that will take even more HI dice.
 
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