If Tiberium can think, it can
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
"I can't believe my Tiberium is this cute!" coming this fall from TNK Productions? (TNK, for Totally Not Kane)
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How, doesn't that mean that the Tiberium has some manner of self preservation instincts inside them, therefore making them less likely to willingly detonate the planet they are occupying, due to the fact that said detonation would be harmful to themselves?
Eh. Who says being fragmented is lethal to the consciousness? Or it could be part of a life cycle. Consume planet, detonate it to spread shards across space, consume planet, detonate etc etc.
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Likely because for said intelligence to emerge, the Tiberium requires a very high density, as that is one of the major differences between Tiberium on Earth and that on Venus. Scattering the Tiberium is likely the opposite of what is required to have sapience emerge because the more spread out the Tiberium is, the less intelligent the resulting entity, which is likely why our Tiberium adaptation is so scattershot, it is only being done instinctually instead of with any thought or foresight.
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Closer to thousands of tonnes, actually.
You'd need to add 8,400-2,721= 5,679 tonnes to make this Crawler-Transporter approximation as dense as water--you could load two launchpad-ready Space Shuttles on top with a thousand tonnes of margin to spare, if you could find the deck space. Or, as it happens, thousands of tonnes of armor.
The surface area of this approximation is 2*(40 meters * 35 meters) + 2*(35 meters *6 meters) + 2*(40 meters*6 meters) = 3,700 square meters. We can multiply this by our armor thickness to get an approximate armor volume:
3,700 m^2 * T meters= 3,700*T m^3
Now, according to this memo from 1976, standard Rolled Homogonous Armor has a density of 7.84 * 10^3 kg/m^3, or 7.84 tonnes/m^3. From this we can calculate the weight per meter of thickness:
3,700*T
From that we can calculate the maximum thickness of the armor if we want to remain at or less than the density of water:
(29,008
Which is a little disappointing, but that's what armor schemes are for. And this is RHA, not the more performative composite armors--presumably we can do better.
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So what you're saying is that the C&C universe is where The Entities of Worm came from.
That's good to know. While northern India is very mountainous, they have been able to ship Gana pretty freely to other warlords, which suggests that this is not an insurmountable problem.
GDI asserting a zone of control would put pressure on Nod India's ability to send supplies to other Nod warlords. Those warlords would react predictably by sending massive support to Nod India. They would be in an excellent position to attack convoys heading around the Cape of Good Hope to Karachi or to attack the rail line connecting Karachi to the Himalayas. We would be choosing a war very close to Nod's centers of power and very far from our own, choosing to fight the enemy on terms favorable to them.
I think our main area of disagreement relates to the difficulty and cost of projecting power. Nod is naturally most capable of "flexing muscle" close to home, just as GDI is strongest when we are fighting close to our own industrial centers. Securing Karachi against the resistance of multiple Nod warlords who are effectively next door would be very difficult, while defending Northern Europe from an offensive would be relatively easy.
I don't advocate for suborbital flights as a meaningful substitute for rail or sea transportation. However, the Himalayas BZ has been isolated since the start of the quest. If it wasn't capable of surviving independent of a rail connection, it would already have fallen. The suborbital shuttles would allow us to move in more reinforcements on top of what the Himalayas are already producing domestically, which should be enough to prevent a Nod offensive from threatening the BZ. When we consider that this is some of the worst terrain in the world to launch an offensive campaign, I'm not too worried about the safety of the Himalayas.
The word "long" keeps recurring. It's a long way from South Africa to Karachi. It's a long way from Karachi to the Himalayas. Nod India would have a great many opportunities to attack the rail connection. Mehretu, Bintang, and India would all have opportunities to attack convoys heading to Karachi. Unless the Oman BZ is a major industrial and population center, our supplies and reinforcements would be coming from halfway around the world. Or they'd be heading straight through Bintang's territory.
Why are we planning to confront Nod close to their centers of power under circumstances that will tie down a very large portion of our Navy? Why aren't we focusing our efforts on the warlords who live in our backyard?
I'm not questioning whether we can do this. Once we build up our Navy to the point that they can actually support Eastern Paris without stripping our convoys to the bone, we can establish Karachi. We can establish a rail line to the Himalayas. If we are willing to make the investment, we can continue supporting Karachi and try to establish a "transport wall" that will impede India's shipments to the northwest.
We can fight a long, drawn-out conflict in Nod's backyard that will distract and inconvenience Nod India. Or we can devote those forces to securing Western Europe, dividing and crippling the Nod presence in North America, and maybe even moving on North Africa, which is close to Europe and looks pretty vulnerable. Not much Yellow Zone left there.
I prefer to start fights that can end with a significant warlord being crippled. I prefer not to start fights which involve an extended conflict on the territory of an untouched Nod powerhouse halfway around the world.
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The Himalayas have rail connections to the two nearest BZ's in Russia and Korea through thousands of miles of NOD/red zone territory already. They get cut off and isolated only when major wars kick off. Karachi is about making them harder to cut off and easier to supply in general, not getting supplies to them period.
I'm not sure how effective Karachi will be at cutting off the Indian Warlords' logistics, considering they're probably using the Falaks. That being said, establishing a base for the Navy and Air Force, which the project will do, would significantly aid our antisubmarine warfare in the region.
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It does however help secure the Middle East by giving another naval base for shorter range ships like hydrofoils to base out of- and a layover/maintenance point for bigger patrols as well as a new location for aerial interdiction. Think of Karachi as less a killing blow to a tough enemy so much as dealing a wound to one of the pack we are facing. Because really NOD is like facing a pack foe with poor coordination while GDI is a clustered group that works well together.
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I think there is a misconception here.
The GDI is a global organization. It is right there in the name. It is not a US or European state.
Specifically, BZ 4 is not half way around the world, it is 480 nm from the port of Muscat in Oman to Karachi. BZ 4 has several extensive port complexes located in the zone, Muscat and Duqm in Oman, Dubai and Abu Dhabi in the UAE, Manama in Bahrain, and Doha in Qatar. Plus, the investment they have had pour into them through the resource Mecca that is the Mecca, Jeddha, and Medina planned city is ridiculous.
Further afield but still relatively close by, there is BZ 10, 14, and 19 (South Africa, Madagascar, and Mozambique respectively). The first of which has the Johannesburg complex, and that couldn't exactly be called undeveloped or incapable of supporting an offensive. While we would have a logistical train, it is not something that is going to stretch from the North Atlantic to the Arabian Sea or through Bintang's haunting grounds in Indonesia.
GDI is a global organization. However, GDI's major centers of population and industry seem to be overwhelmingly concentrated in the global north and the global west. If BZ 4 was a military-industrial center comparable to the American Northeast or Northern Europe, then we should absolutely go for Karachi. Honestly, it would be surprising that we weren't launching regular offensives against Nod India already.
If BZ 4 is not a major center of GDI power, then we would be staging out of a relative backwater that would require constant reinforcement. Southern Africa is certainly one valuable source of support, but those convoys have to go past Mehretu, Bintang, and whatever Nod India can muster.
You raise a good point about not having to go from Boston all the way to Karachi. If there are sufficient resources in Southern Africa, this becomes more reasonable. But the main limiting factor is naval escorts, and Karachi would devour a great deal of the Navy's strength. Another round of naval buildilng would turn Karachi from a profoundly bad idea into something we can do.
I just don't see the rewards as being worth the cost, even if there aren't any unexpected setbacks. India can still ship supplies by submarine freighter or reroute their ground shipments. We'd be building a planned city to inconvenience Nod India, not to cripple them, and I don't think that's worth it.
However, GDI does need a jumping off point on the sub continent, and Karachi is a good choice for that. The Himalayas are hard to attack, but the same mountain passes that make it hard to attack also make it hard to attack from.
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It can be argued that BZ 4 is a relative backwater due to the nations therein mostly relying on oil for their economies which went the way of the dodo with the advent of Tiberium. I personally disagree due to the extensive port facilities inside those nations, but it can be argued. The same cannot be said of the Mecca-Jeddah-Medina complex. That thing single handedly supports ~15% of our economy, and that cannot be written off as a relative backwater. It is not unreasonable to argue that the facilities in BZ 4 have developed as a natural consequence of their proximity to the complex. Indeed, by sea Jeddah is is ~1900 nm to Muscat, while Karachi is only ~480 nm, so it is far less of a stretch of our logistics than Mecca was. Even the overland route to the complex from Muscat is ~2200 km, (1100nm).
I do not believe Karachi is viable next turn and don't think it will possibly be viable until Q2 of 2061. If at that point our navy is still under severe stress and the carrier conversions and the first round of frigates haven't lightened the load, I will concede that it is unreasonable to persue it. However, I don't think it is significantly more problematic then Mecca was, it's just that the current state of conflict necessitates a stronger navy to attempt it.
Further, unless we route shipping through Malacca and Indonesia, I don't see how Bintang will target the convoys to Karachi, she is on the other side of the Indian Ocean and, even if she could make 40 kts it would still take ~4 days to get to the area from her base of operations. And she would need to be stealthed the entire way or we would spot her from orbit and reroute the convoys. We would also try to raid her home base if she moves too far away and she knows that. Even if she could raid all the way across the Bay of Bengal and the Arabian Sea, we would know as soon as she hit a convoy. Then, knowing she was gone, we could scour the Indonesian Archipelago for her bases without worrying that she would pick off our search squadrons.
As for Mehretu, assuming he has the capability to extensively hit our shipping as his speciality is deep infiltration not boats, he is currently busy getting his face kicked in by the Caravanserai. Even if he wasn't and wanted to disrupt our naval operations, there are two points where he could realistically hit us. YZ 14 and 16. The former is neatly avoided by going around the east coast of Madagascar and thus being relatively out of range from quick reaction strike groups. The later is the Horn of Africa and if we are hit from there we have bigger problems as that covers the only sea route from Jeddah since the Suez is closed by Tib. However, we know that is at least relatively secure already thanks to the Mecca-Jeddah-Medina complex and the patrols between it and BZ 4.
You're right, restricting India alone wouldn't be as much of a priority, however there isn't just one reason to build Karachi there are several. Restricting India's operations and making them more expensive is one of them, but it is not the initial reason, nor is it the most important.
The main reasons to build Karachi are:
-Establish a secure logistics line to BZ 18. One that is not restricted to high priority transport and critical goods like the shuttles, or that covers over 9000 miles of NOD territory like the current system.
-Establish a base of operations in Southern Asia
-Restrict the flow of weapons and goods to and from India and Iran
-Provide temporary housing and later, if desired, transport away from the yellow zone for any refugees displaced by Tiberium and/or fleeing NOD
-Establish a landing site to deploy mining and mitigation efforts in the region
-Conduct intelligence gathering operations against India and Iran
-Establish a logistical hub for future operations in India
More speculatively, the Colombo Planned City in Sri Lanka was once an option and may now be gated behind Karachi.
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I don't want a waifu that, when you try to touch them, turns the contact surface into more of themself.
You know that thing where a kid licks a flagpole on a cold day on a dare and their tongue freezes to it?
Yeah.
I didn't state my point strongly enough.
The Crawler-Transporters are designed for a very specific purpose: to carry a very heavy tall object on a big flat bed and keep it level while doing so. They contain nothing that is not expressly integrated into that purpose. As such, they are, to a rough approximation, the chassis of a MARV.
If a MARV is a tank, then you might imagine a Crawler-Transporter as being what would be left if you stripped off all the armor plating, the gun, the ammunition racks, much of the communication, rangefinding, and other supporting equipment, and in short everything that makes a tank into a fighting vehicle. And any amount of engine power and transmission beefiness that moves the thing faster than two miles an hour- I don't know what a MARV's top speed is, granted.
That's a LOT of weight.
Of course, a MARV is more than just a tank, because it also gathers tiberium and has to contain machinery for storing it safely. That probably weighs no small number of tons.
When all is said and done, the Crawler-Transporters contain a lot of empty space and girderwork, because they're as big as they are for reasons that have nothing to do with "how big MUST we make them" and everything to do with "and they must be this physically large and mobile." MARVs are different, to the point where I find it highly unlikely that they would float as-designed.
BZ-4 is what's left after GDI had to struggle to consolidate its position in the Middle East in the wake of the Temple Prime explosion. It has, I imagine, been rather fucking busy these past ten years.
Consider the timeline:
2050- at this point GDI is suffering industrial collapse and food shortages. Tiberium is growing at an incredible rate throughout the Middle East and BZ-4 is probably swamped with refugees, but also quite possibly including warlords who are at least tempted to try to shoot their way in in the hopes of getting onto the right side of the sonic fencing.
2055- BZ-4 has, like all of GDI, a stabilized economy. Operating out of this Blue Zone for two years, we do most of the heavy lifting to establish GDI's massive Mecca-Medina-Jeddah complex. Notably, BZ-4's supply lines backwards to the rest of GDI are the same as they would be for the Karachi operation- if Bintang could casually reach out and sever maritime supply lines in the western Indian Ocean without risking overextending herself, nothing would have stopped her from doing so then.
2060- present day. BZ-4 is a major hub for our light warship production (hydrofoils) and the primary GDI staging base for the Mecca-Medina-Jeddah industrial and abatement zone, which is in turn the hub for something like 20% of GDI's overall tiberium harvesting in the entire world. The maritime supply line into and out of BZ-4 is huge, it is a big fucking deal. This is not a backwater, this is a lifeline of GDI's economy. Decisively cutting that lifeline would deprive GDI of most if not all the products of the Mecca-Medina-Jeddah complex.
The supply line up through BZ-4, as far as that, at least, cannot be a lightly or tenuously held one for GDI. If it ever was, it isn't now. At a bare minimum that is our closest secure base of operations. So Dptullos? If you're surprised we aren't contemplating regular offensives against Nod India out of that base already? Karachi is the first such offensive. The other proposed alternative was Colombo, which would be if anything more vulnerable and was nonetheless seriously mooted as a possibility by GDI, with the clear implication that the military thought they could take and hold the place. If they subsequently changed their minds and raised the threat estimate of Bintang and the Indian warlord... Well, they sure seem not to have given up on Karachi for the same reason.
Those convoys already go past all those enemies loaded with whatever material goods we extract from the Mecca-Medina-Jeddah complex, and somehow we reap the economic benefits anyway.
We also get other major benefits, chief among them the transport corridor to BZ-18 (and access to its economy on a fuller basis).
Chicago didn't gut Gideon, and yet we don't consider it a waste of time.
It's environmentally sealed, heavily structurally reinforced, and runs on what must be like a naval nuclear reactor. MARVs probably don't float but I'd bet that driving on a river or lake or relatively shallow seabed isn't particularly different from driving across a Red Zone. Just driving across the ocean floor is probably possible in a MARV as long as you don't go too deep.
I feel like we've forgotten hydrofoils exist in the Navy.
We have hydrofoils with a combat radius of 450km (at max speed?). From bases in Madagascar and South Africa BZs, hydrofoils could easily sweep the YZ coastline and help escort convoys in those areas. By the time you start getting out of hydrofoil support range, the coastline is Red Zone. I'm fairly doubtful that we'll be having raiders charging out from RZ shores, so the main threat would be raiders that went north/south from YZs to attack convoys in the RZ coast stretch, subs, and longer range air strikes. Covering the Somalian YZ area with hydrofoils is a lot tougher, depending on where they base them (and if the radius is at max speed, how much more it is with a lower cruising speed), so raids ranging out from the Indian Ocean part of the Somalian coast is still a threat.
Suffice to say, I'm pretty sure the convoy escort issue is less of a problem for the "home stretch" of supplying Karachi than the Atlantic sides of the convoys. Though on both ends of the convoys, it's probably more an ASW issue facing escorts than anything else, and hydrofoils aren't really good at the sonar bit, AFAIK.
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As for attacking Karachi. I doubt Bintang or Krukov would do so, unless Kane ordered them to. Mainly for the simple fact that they'd be intruding into another Warlord's turf, and that could be taken as an insult on a number of levels, causing infighting rather than strikes on Karachi. Would you want the Shah of the Atom to send a couple nukes your way to redress the insult? Or the Indian Warlord to stop providing Gana to you? Especially since Krukov would have to go right past a BZ, which would probably take lots of shots at him as he passed. The distance thing for Bintang is also an issue.
Mehretu kinda "over specced" into infiltration and assassination, which might be why he's assimilating the Ten Rings, to provide a more balanced force. Which means naval issues from him might be a bit lower for a while... especially since he apparently pissed in the Caravanserai's cheerios.
Of course, all of this is just theory, because we've yet to find out how the second quarter of the Regency War's gone.
We have hydrofoils with a combat radius of 450km (at max speed?). From bases in Madagascar and South Africa BZs, hydrofoils could easily sweep the YZ coastline and help escort convoys in those areas. By the time you start getting out of hydrofoil support range, the coastline is Red Zone. I'm fairly doubtful that we'll be having raiders charging out from RZ shores, so the main threat would be raiders that went north/south from YZs to attack convoys in the RZ coast stretch, subs, and longer range air strikes. Covering the Somalian YZ area with hydrofoils is a lot tougher, depending on where they base them (and if the radius is at max speed, how much more it is with a lower cruising speed), so raids ranging out from the Indian Ocean part of the Somalian coast is still a threat.
But? If we have hydrofoils based out of Muscat, Oman, at 450km radius, they reach about halfway to Karachi. If we instead have them based out of Al Hadd on Oman's tip? Karachi would be 327km outside of the hydrofoil's combat radius. And we've been pumping out hydrofoils for, what? nearly a decade now? And I'd hope a hydrofoil basing area would be included early in Karachi's construction (if just for refueling/resupply), which would either allow hydrofoils to patrol out from Karachi or to do one-way runs from Oman to Karachi before refueling to do the run back. Whenever Karachi kicks off, I'd expect the GDI convoys to soon be tripping over hydrofoils all over the Oman > Karachi route. Surface raiders will not be having a fun time, air threats might not either, and depending on what can be loaded into their launcher boxes, the Rapiers might get to launch ASW torps at subs they're pointed at by others. 
I'd expect convoys would go South Africa > Oman > Karachi in order to take advantage of hydrofoil / maritime patrol aircraft as much as possible, rather than cut directly across the Indian Ocean and Arabian Sea to Karachi. Especially if the convoys have ships making stops at Oman while the rest of the convoy continues to Karachi. Going up the east coast of Madagascar might make them safer from south African YZ raiders, but might make them more vulnerable to subs coming from the east coverage-wise. Oh, and there's a larger than intended hydrofoil shipyard at Duqm, Oman. If the Seychelles are BZ, it's possible they have a hydrofoil base and thus convoys might arc nearer them to get some additional patrol support while in range.
I'd expect convoys would go South Africa > Oman > Karachi in order to take advantage of hydrofoil / maritime patrol aircraft as much as possible, rather than cut directly across the Indian Ocean and Arabian Sea to Karachi. Especially if the convoys have ships making stops at Oman while the rest of the convoy continues to Karachi. Going up the east coast of Madagascar might make them safer from south African YZ raiders, but might make them more vulnerable to subs coming from the east coverage-wise. Oh, and there's a larger than intended hydrofoil shipyard at Duqm, Oman. If the Seychelles are BZ, it's possible they have a hydrofoil base and thus convoys might arc nearer them to get some additional patrol support while in range.
Suffice to say, I'm pretty sure the convoy escort issue is less of a problem for the "home stretch" of supplying Karachi than the Atlantic sides of the convoys. Though on both ends of the convoys, it's probably more an ASW issue facing escorts than anything else, and hydrofoils aren't really good at the sonar bit, AFAIK.
Which is part of why I floated the idea of a Gibraltar > Port Said > Suez > Oman route that would be largely with RZ shores to minimize surface/sub contact, and make air strikes riskier. Hydrofoils out of Suez wouldn't even clear the RZ, best I can tell. Jeddah as a hydrofoil base would cover a lot of the Red Sea YZ shores at 450km, and a base at Al Mukalla would cover most of the Gulf of Aden YZ coast of Somalia (If we had Aden, that might cover the gap between the two).
If we didn't need convoy escorts for Gibraltar > Suez, that frees up ships for other duties. But I'm pretty sure pulling that off would be a FYP of its own. I'd expect an air/naval base at Palma in the Illes Balears, at Cagliara on Sardegna, Palermo or Marsala on Sicily, Syracuse on Sicily or instead Malta, Chania and Sitia on Kriti, and at Port Said. That would basically cover the entire route from Gibraltar to Port Said in air/hydrofoil coverage. That'd also be 4-6 reclamation hubs? Then reclaim and reopen the entire Suez Canal route. Likely one reclamation hub each end (Port Said and Suez), allowing them to start expanding out into the Nile delta and the Sinai after clearing the Canal.
It feels like a Four Year Mega Project. Probably hubs at Port Said and Suez first, then start working at the other basing areas. As a bonus, more military/infrastructure presence in the Med means more opportunity to open new glacier mines or reclamation hubs along North Africa and Med Coast Europe (anyone want to slap a MARV hub on Croatia's coast and go reclaim Sarajevo and plant the GDI flag over Temple Prime?).
If we didn't need convoy escorts for Gibraltar > Suez, that frees up ships for other duties. But I'm pretty sure pulling that off would be a FYP of its own. I'd expect an air/naval base at Palma in the Illes Balears, at Cagliara on Sardegna, Palermo or Marsala on Sicily, Syracuse on Sicily or instead Malta, Chania and Sitia on Kriti, and at Port Said. That would basically cover the entire route from Gibraltar to Port Said in air/hydrofoil coverage. That'd also be 4-6 reclamation hubs? Then reclaim and reopen the entire Suez Canal route. Likely one reclamation hub each end (Port Said and Suez), allowing them to start expanding out into the Nile delta and the Sinai after clearing the Canal.
It feels like a Four Year Mega Project. Probably hubs at Port Said and Suez first, then start working at the other basing areas. As a bonus, more military/infrastructure presence in the Med means more opportunity to open new glacier mines or reclamation hubs along North Africa and Med Coast Europe (anyone want to slap a MARV hub on Croatia's coast and go reclaim Sarajevo and plant the GDI flag over Temple Prime?).
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As for attacking Karachi. I doubt Bintang or Krukov would do so, unless Kane ordered them to. Mainly for the simple fact that they'd be intruding into another Warlord's turf, and that could be taken as an insult on a number of levels, causing infighting rather than strikes on Karachi. Would you want the Shah of the Atom to send a couple nukes your way to redress the insult? Or the Indian Warlord to stop providing Gana to you? Especially since Krukov would have to go right past a BZ, which would probably take lots of shots at him as he passed. The distance thing for Bintang is also an issue.
Mehretu kinda "over specced" into infiltration and assassination, which might be why he's assimilating the Ten Rings, to provide a more balanced force. Which means naval issues from him might be a bit lower for a while... especially since he apparently pissed in the Caravanserai's cheerios.
Of course, all of this is just theory, because we've yet to find out how the second quarter of the Regency War's gone.
The most vulnerable leg for supplies early in a Karachi invasion is the sprint across the Arabian Sea to the beachhead, honestly. The Indians aren't going to just let us ship in arbitrarily large numbers of troops and supplies unmolested, they'll sure as hell be contesting both the sealanes and the airspace above them. The Navy in particular but the Air Force as well probably can't manage to shut down the entire Indian navy/air force, the Arabian Sea would be an active warzone where convoys regularly get mauled rather than a nice quiet transit to a safe port.
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Yeah, but:
1) The environmental seals almost certainly aren't pressure-rated, and it would probably require significant modification to keep one safe in any serious depth of water. Also, the cooling systems for the reactor (secondary cooling, if not primary) may be predicated on the assumption that there's air, even if the air in question is heavily filtered and purged with sonics and whatnot.
2) The seabed isn't just a big flat plain of bedrock to drive on. It's terrain, and that terrain can include things like giant masses of muck, weird crevasses, cliffs, and slopes that while under an immense amount of weight and pressure are feeling that pressure on all sides and may be destabilized abruptly by having several thousand tons of MARV trundle over them. Driving a MARV across water on a seabed would not be a simple or easy operation, and would likely require an extensively surveyed and tested route, more so than on land.
So, to completely change the subject, I got bored. And then Ithillid suggested something that might come up in the Discord.
So, I present to you, the Mjolnir Orbital Bombardment vessel.
I built it out in MegaMekLab, and putting Light Naval PPCs isn't legal in Battletech rules, so I had to make some substitutions and then edit the output, and our primitive heat sinks are probably more massive/bulky than standard. But, have something that the Space Force really really wants:
So, I present to you, the Mjolnir Orbital Bombardment vessel.
I built it out in MegaMekLab, and putting Light Naval PPCs isn't legal in Battletech rules, so I had to make some substitutions and then edit the output, and our primitive heat sinks are probably more massive/bulky than standard. But, have something that the Space Force really really wants:
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Mjolnir Dropship
Type: Military Aerodyne
Mass: 10,000 tons
Technology Base: Inner Sphere (Standard)
Introduced: 3145
Mass: 10,000
Battle Value: 7,227
Tech Rating/Availability: E/X-X-X-D
Cost: 638,224,800 C-bills
Fuel: 200 tons (6,000)
Safe Thrust: 2
Maximum Thrust: 3
Heat Sinks: 540
Structural Integrity: 20
Armor
Nose: 164
Sides: 140/140
Aft: 116
Cargo
Bay 1: Cargo (344.0 tons) 1 Door
Ammunition:
None
Escape Pods: 6
Life Boats: 0
Crew: 8 officers, 30 gunners
Notes: Mounts 40 tons of standard aerospace armor.
Weapons: Capital Attack Values (Standard)
Arc (Heat) Heat SRV MRV LRV ERV Class
Nose (60 Heat)
6 PPC 60 6(60) 6(60) 0(0) 0(0) PPC
RW/LW (210 Heat)
2 LNPPC 210 ??? ??? ??? ??? LNPPC
Aft (60 Heat)
6 PPC 60 6(60) 6(60) 0(0) 0(0) PPC- Location
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Hm.
What mission profile would something like this see, developed from our tech base?
What mission profile would something like this see, developed from our tech base?
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Rapidly redeployable orbital bombardment systems. You are starting to see more Ion Disruptors coming online as offensives get into Brotherhood heartlands, and, in theory, you can crack them with enough ion cannon strikes. This is supposed to allow you to reach that point.
And if a gun don't work... Use more gun.
"The Ion Disruptor blocks Ion Cannon fire. ... Have you tried more Ion Cannon?"
God, I love this concept. If only it wasn't going to be fucking with our military budget, which is already getting yanked in too many directions as is.
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Sorry if I missed it but did we find out what we got from that nod tech roll?