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I'm not giving up on Karachi yet.
Yet.
Because I think that if the war goes well, it might be achievable by 2061Q2. I will be watching for the signs (which I have no doubt Ithillid will be putting in the narration) and evidence that I am mistaken about this, in preparation for, if and when necessary, giving up on Karachi.
But I do not wish to resign ourselves to a greater window of naval vulnerability than we have to. Accepting that would mean not only pre-emptively give up on Karachi, but also undermining the entire war effort, because the entire war effort is threatened by our naval weakness.
Therefore, we need hulls, and we need them fast, so my plan takes steps to get hulls fast.
This is my very straightforward stated position. I have explained it several times.
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Your prediction that Karachi will be unachievable may well be correct. I am not seeking to force Karachi on us. Building the conversion carriers doesn't force Karachi on us. Nothing I do forces Karachi on us.
The part where I say you seem to think I have a secret agenda? That's the part where you seem to be talking like you expect me to try to force Karachi on the thread.
This plan is not some kind of Trojan Horse where if we pursue it, we get forced into the Karachi option. It's a straightforward rapid/crash naval buildup plan, undertaken because we need hulls. We need hulls even if we never do the Karachi project. We just need hulls, plain and simple, and while it just so happens that we'd need hulls (maybe more than we can get) to do Karachi, we also need them for basically everything else, including just holding the line in the face of ongoing Nod naval pressure.
That's my plan and my motives. It's not that complex. There's no Trojan Horse.
That's why I've been able to convince others of the merits of the conversion carriers- because even if they don't expect Karachi to be possible in 2061 and think I'm being overoptimistic, that doesn't mean I'm wrong about the conversion carriers.
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Well, I do have one other major motive, the thing I mentioned about how @Derpmind and me differ on the merits of two Free dice on fortress towns versus two Free dice on fusion reactors. But that doesn't seem to impinge on our disagreement.
I mean, we'd probably have to delay getting Reykjavik Phase 4 by a turn or something, but it wouldn't be impossible to make progress on Bergen. Then again, we don't really need the Capital Goods from that particular project urgently so that wouldn't be so bad.
The real problem is that Bergen Phase 1+2 is a four-die project and we'd need to find the dice and Resources. Which is tricky when you're trying to do a lot else all at once. In particular it'd run into conflicts with the medical supply factories, which are kind of important for the war effort.
But again, I'm going to be stumping for that soon, because I totally agree with you that it's a good idea- it's just that we need a little more time.
It's a ground vehicle. A big one, but not the size of a MARV, let alone a naval ship. Probably bigger than a Mammoth tank, but not necessarily, and certainly not necessarily much more.
Once we get the factory up and running, I'm guessing the first ones will be taking the field... if not the same quarter as that specific Results turn, some time in the next quarter.
Well, from my point of view the Mastodon deployment is going to have to compete for the two or so "passion project" dice I want to put into Military every turn alongside heavy Air Force/Naval funding. But unless the Mastodon production line turns out to be very disproportionate in expense compared to other projects like it (such as the Havoc production lines)... We should be able to get that rolling by some time in 2061.
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