We've seen the trick now. And have orbital troops on deck. This group is on borrowed time. At some point Nod will have to commit these assets and if they get stuck even for a moment? They face not just being surrounded but being dropped on. Also they sleep somewhere and if anyone drops the dime on them? We have bombers for deep strikes.
 
Would you mind linking to the post where you called it?

And the post where you got dismissed?
Following my self quoted post and scrolling helps, but here some quotes for you as childish as it is:
Not something to be seriously worried about.

Technically speaking the Forgottens range seems to be limited to 'x far' which... isn't that far. It's within a military base.

The continental stuff is more like... red zones possibly could as 0 for distance. So from one side of a red zone to another is doable.

But. Try that trick in a blue zone and they'll probably get nowhere near the range.
It should be noted that the Delta are new occurrences, at the very least, they've only just started to appear and able to manifest their powers. And yes, technically speaking the Brotherhood likely knows better than we do about them. However, the Forgotten themselves aren't... enthused at having 'one of theirs' be taken away, be it by eagle's talons or scorpion's tails. The only reason, really, that Zaragoza went forth is because the GDI has done right by the Forgotten the past near decade or so with no signs of stopping or cutting away any good faith deals.

Even then, they are not willing/able to confirm the existence of other rumoured abilities– which if we go by some of the canons, involved doing the full 40K psyker route and call down an Ion Storm.

It's a new and exciting field, putting it simply. The lores are far and few in between and it's likely that no one has been able to harness the Delta power... yet.
Do you have any evidence whatsoever for the wild speculation that, I quote, "most forgotten actually hate our guts?"
The fact that there is apparently a full on Nod Forgotten faction and none of the Forgotten we've supported and allied even breathed a word about it?! Like I'm sorry, but this is GDI First fucking fodder. If they were neutral they'd at least mentioned that most of their rare combat psykers support Nod. I mean we got some tests out of a volunteer in comparison. So yeah it's pretty safe to assume that at least the Forgotten leadership is very much on Nods side and considers us a useful source of moneys at most.

If they actually cared about keeping neutral relations they'd mentioned some of their psykers had gone over to Nod. If they wanted to actually ally with us they'd told us what those guys can do. They didn't do either and as a result we got sucker punched. I wouldn't be surprised if many of our Forgotten employees magically vanish after this. They successfully intelligence blackholed us in NODs favour. That's not something that just happens unless most Forgotten are actually in favour of fucking us over. This masterstroke was only possible because our "allies" allowed and abetted it.
That's a pretty good assumption, by contrast. It takes extraordinary security to protect against a potential attack like this, though as we saw, these guys are not invulnerable and can be killed by the defending team if said defending team has their shit together.
It helps if you know it can actually happen. But psi defenses will have to be a focus of future mad science. Especially since the guys who can do psi are clearly in favour of NOD.
 
That's a pretty good assumption, by contrast. It takes extraordinary security to protect against a potential attack like this, though as we saw, these guys are not invulnerable and can be killed by the defending team if said defending team has their shit together.
If said defensive team has the money and weapons for the job as well. (is shamelessly lobbying for the Steel Talons)
 
Following my self quoted post and scrolling helps, but here some quotes for you as childish as it is:



The fact that there is apparently a full on Nod Forgotten faction and none of the Forgotten we've supported and allied even breathed a word about it?! Like I'm sorry, but this is GDI First fucking fodder. If they were neutral they'd at least mentioned that most of their rare combat psykers support Nod. I mean we got some tests out of a volunteer in comparison. So yeah it's pretty safe to assume that at least the Forgotten leadership is very much on Nods side and considers us a useful source of moneys at most.

If they actually cared about keeping neutral relations they'd mentioned some of their psykers had gone over to Nod. If they wanted to actually ally with us they'd told us what those guys can do. They didn't do either and as a result we got sucker punched. I wouldn't be surprised if many of our Forgotten employees magically vanish after this. They successfully intelligence blackholed us in NODs favour. That's not something that just happens unless most Forgotten are actually in favour of fucking us over. This masterstroke was only possible because our "allies" allowed and abetted it.

It helps if you know it can actually happen. But psi defenses will have to be a focus of future mad science. Especially since the guys who can do psi are clearly in favour of NOD.
the forgotten are not one unified faction. They are many dispersed and separate groups scattered across the world with no unified leadership. They are not part of our faction they are not obliged to tell us of everything going on. If small groups of forgotten go into the wild they do not have to tell us that. This order group appears to be extremely secretive they probably were not really aware of this group other than just generaly aware of there being forgotten in nod which we are aware of too and as the update said
The Regency War: Part 1 — The Order of The Remembrancer

The Forgotten hated the Brotherhood.

It's a piece of truism, and like any truism, it's simplified.

Once, the Forgotten didn't hate the Brotherhood. Once, the seeds of the latter were the greatest proponents of those who would be unremembered. Once, the GDI did less than nothing to help these dispossessed few. Once, the GDI abandoned entire subcontinents to the ravages of Tiberium. Once, shelter was given under the aegis of a black scorpion.

But this elaboration hid a bedrock of ugly implications. The Forgotten were never truly united after all, and the kidnappings of the Forgotten were never a norm throughout the Brotherhood either. People would rather shut out these assumptions with the above-mentioned truism. Because the alternative is reopening that sordid page of history.

But what was unremarked history for the GDI is living memory for the Forgotten. Some of them resented their lot. Some of those who resented the Eagle more than the Scorpion. Some who took the faith of the Messiah with the zeal of fanatics.

Some, like the Order of the Remembrancer.
The forgotten as a whole aren't pro nod in-fact due to our efforts forgotten have mostly splintered into 2 groups pro gdi, and neutral/suspicious not trusting gdi due to us fucking them over for 40 years or more. No group is a monolith though and there are always exceptions
 
The forgotten as a whole aren't pro nod in-fact due to our efforts forgotten have mostly splintered into 2 groups pro gdi, and neutral/suspicious not trusting gdi due to us fucking them over for 40 years or more. No group is a monolith though and there are always exceptions
I hope you are right, but even with splitering people should have had an idea. Either they were completely split as a group by this. In that case we should have learned about the fact that some hate us enough for them to splinter as a result of association with GDI. Or alternatively they weren't actually that splintered and people just kept mum about NOD leanings.

Either way it's going to have consequences. We got scraps, NOD got combat cardres.

xxxxxx

GDI Online

The Inevitable Treason by the Tiberium Tainted (aka Forgotten)

Purity First
Dear Readers,
I come to you with horrible news as well as a sadly well deserved "we told you so". The GDIs science institutions of the Irvan Institute and the Yarchev Poly have been raided and razed by the NOD. Killing most of its defenders and science personel while making off with valuable research data. Despite both sites being incredibly well defended, its defenders were easily overwhelmed by this NOD masterstroke. If you are wondering how this could happen I can tell you. As you may have heard the Tiberium Tainted can sometimes develop so called psychic abilities. Apparently allowing for extrasensory information gathering and supposedly other "magical" abilities. What we didn't know is that the very group of Tiberium Tainted the GDI supported with resources far better used in the lagging Blue Zone Arcology projects has provided NOD with a group – maybe army – of combat "psykers", allowing them to gain complete local information supremacy over GDI defenders and scouting out otherwise untraceable Black Sites.

We mourn the fallen of this treason:
Dr. Maria Walters, Dr. John Meyer, Dr. Samar Ali, Major Friedrich ben Mohammad….

In remembrance of the fallen as well as in protest of the heinous deeds of the Tiberium Tainted, we will hold demonstrations in St. Petersburg, Johannesburg, Reykjavik, Chicago, Tokyo,… the demonstrations will be held at the central place of the cities. Showing our support to the ongoing war effort against the NOD, we will hold said demonstrations in complete silence. While we understand your fury, we need to hold our breaths first. But it shall be clear, this treason will not be forgotten or forgiven.

For the so called Forgotten I have only one thing to say: You will wish we forgot about you. Previously I did not care a lick about you, only about the resources on your likes.
Now I hate you.


Pure GDI gal:
Now I hate you.


Military Man:
Now I hate you!


Screencapper:
The fuck are you on about? It's hardly the first time people defected to NOD and here you are calling for what? A Genocide?


True Soldier:
This is seriously fucked up if true. So far Granger's diplomacy has worked out after all, I'm incredulous. It looks like the racists are again spinning the facts to fit their agenda…


Blue Love:
Now I hate you.
Unholy fuck. I knew we couldn't trust the freaks. As if anything good ever came from anything associated with Tiberium. But nooo we must hug and coddle them and get stabbed into the back. Who could have possibly thought this would happen.


Green Zone Boy:
#Screencapper, #True Soldier, yeah I don't buy it either. So NOD probably pulled some Tiberium magic out of their ass and they just blame it on the Forgotten. I mean they'd also want me dead if they could.


Purity First:
#Green Zone Boy, we don't want you dead, we just don't want to pay for the likes of you.

But to get to the point #Screencapper, #True Soldier, there is very definite evidence of involvement of psychics of the Tiberium Tainted. We've employed thousands of so called "Forgotten" and none of them breathed a word of what they might be able to do and that some of them that can do so have joined NOD. If they were neutral they'd at least mentioned some of their psykers have joined NOD. If they actually meant cooperation with us they would have explained what those could do and offered help. Instead we paid for scraps and got offered silence. None breathed a word. Nod psychics weren't even a consideration in GDI intelligence before these attacks. But in this reality no one breathed a word.

This wasn't just the leadership double dealing. All of them betrayed us. We have been blackholed in favor of NOD.


Hobby Intelligence:
I don't like their demands here – implicit or explicit – but I can't exactly fault their logic. We know Forgotten can develop psychic abilities, but so far everyone assumed that was a rare one of. If NOD suddenly has a combat cadre of those, one has to question where those are coming from and why we had no idea they might exist. Honestly, I thought we got on with them well enough, but now they're apparently a NOD faction?! Seems like they actually hate our guts and suckered us for resources. I don't see how nobody talked about that before. As sad as it is, people joining NOD isn't as rare as we would all like. This looks very much like enemy action.


Spaaaace:
#Hobby Intelligence, oh come on. Don't be suckered by the Initiative First propaganda. If true this would be Top Secret, not something leaked on a forum. They just want to stir up some hatred again.


GDI Lifes Matter:
Now I hate you.
#Spaaaace, you realize military secrets only last until a soldier thinks the crime is too big to stay a secret? This is a betrayal of us all.
 
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Also considering these are both blacksites this stuff def ain't gonna be talked about on gdionline or anywhere in civilian sphere. I bet only a small amount of politicians would even know
 
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It's one minor faction that NOD recruited that hated us more than NOD. Also InOps would never reveal this. They aren't stupid

Edit: Read also. Part 1. God knows what it is going on here with the Forgotten
 
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The Forgotten leadership? The singular Forgotten leadership? That thing that doesn't exist?

My goodness being a QM must be stressful, one love tap and the bells of doom ring and the paranoia pours out.
 
Can the discussion of the genocide/death/killing of a whole group of people please stop?

The Forgotten is called that for a reason, they are the people (and descendants of those people) left in the fields of Tiberium, that survived. They were ignored by the GDI, they were hunted and experimented on by NOD. These people are traumatized, and they want to be left alone to live in peace. The actions of a few fanatics does not, and will never excuse killing a people. Nor should it be enough for anyone to endorse such a monstrous action.

You are better than this.
 
@Beyogi Dude, did you clear this with Illithid before posting? Because this is... yeah it's kind of fucked up on several levels in and out of game. Out of game you're using other people's characters, even if they're only screen names, and their characterization without permission, and potentially altering that characterization. In-game; well if that did happen, I expect that "Purity First" would be the next one getting a space commando drop team landing on them for treason.
 
I'm fine with how this is going, they are people so a number of them being turbo pissed and making such decisions makes sense. I will not condone turning loose all those people for a few bad apples. GDI can roll with this punch if it means saving more people.

It does open up some neat things for the future of mars though. I wonder how they interpret information they access? Is it in their own languages? Can they print it out or display it on other technology? Seems like an easy way to get access to scrin tech. They could read what the buggers actually wrote down in their logs.

Also, their does seem to be little bits of contention in the ranks, the fact that they even bothered to talk means something.
 
@Beyogi Dude, did you clear this with Illithid before posting? Because this is... yeah it's kind of fucked up on several levels in and out of game. Out of game you're using other people's characters, even if they're only screen names, and their characterization without permission, and potentially altering that characterization. In-game; well if that did happen, I expect that "Purity First" would be the next one getting a space commando drop team landing on them for treason.
Honestly I just figured that'd be a take the local Nazi party has on it. Now the GM said that's not all they do for us, but I mean it did come off badly. We get a guy to do some demonstrations nod gets some psykers. It does look horrible and they would use the fuck out of it. And honestly that's tame. Have you ever had a look at what the right wing populists "totally not Nazis" spew all the time. "Shoot them immigrants at the borders" is pretty much standard.
 
Honestly I just figured that'd be a take the local Nazi party has on it. Now the GM said that's not all they do for us, but I mean it did come off badly. We get a guy to do some demonstrations nod gets some psykers. It does look horrible and they would use the fuck out of it. And honestly that's tame. Have you ever had a look at what the right wing populists "totally not Nazis" spew all the time. "Shoot them immigrants at the borders" is pretty much standard.
Still really not cool appropriating peoples GDI online characters though.
 
Its a bit (incredibly) frustrating to see yet another "NOD attacks, gets what it wants" even after we have (supposedly) given them bloody nose after bloody nose. On that particular front (manpower) it really feels like we are on the losing side, our people are trained and equiped, NODs are supposed to be conscripts that they pump full of drugs.
Now, its also a new force that Kane managed to pull out of his ass.... for all the we seem to have tried to get the Forgotten in our side, it seems the more skilled/powerful decided to join up with NOD.

Also, it seems that we just lost the technological edge on that particular field.... now that they have super-hacker/technomancers.

On a more positive side.... no, not really. I feel like it was bad news all arounds.
 
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On a more positive side.... no, not really. I feel like it was bad news all arounds.
I'd say "we know about them now, they didn't do significant damage, and they won't be able to do it again" counts as good news. I'd say "we own (well, one of them) Krukov's pride and joy now, yarrr" counts as even better news. I think we should wait until the turn is all there to decide how good/bad it was overall.
I also think going "the forgotten should have known about those ten dudes!" is an unreasonable stance to take with the entirety of India outside our or their reach, not to mention half of the rest of the surface.
 
I just don't understand the constant drip of people commenting nothing but negativity. Bad things happened, sure. So what? For one thing, this is just the result of playing a game with opposition. (And dice rolls. Roll higher next time.) Secondly, we haven't even seen more than part one of the update. This isn't the end of the world, but so many people keep making posts that sure make it seem like the sky fell.
 
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