After that, we will receive nat 100, and Erewhon will non-ironically communicate with the Legion about cats
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
After that, we will receive nat 100, and Erewhon will non-ironically communicate with the Legion about cats
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- Mid-Atlantic
With Nuuk at Stage 2, we still complete that target without too much trouble; the return on investment is excellent for every phase of the project past this one we just completed.
And... if we're prioritizing using North Boston to save Erewhon, and not just to amass Capital Goods for its own sake, then we need to do it soon.
Why would Kane wear a mask? The only time Kane's ever worn anything face-concealing, it was obviously some kind of cybernetic prosthetic. And that was after he got shot with an ion cannon. Nothing happened at the end of Tib War III to explain why he'd need to do anything to hide his face, and his face is very recognizable and a propaganda weapon in its own right.
I bet the masked man is the Nod Indian warlord. All of the scary advances being alluded to are in keeping with their bioscience theme.
We were explicitly told that the North Boston plant isn't on the list of targets for Phase 1. Whether or not that's changed, I don't know.
You kind of miss the point. The big virtue of building a few phases of Tokyo isn't Capital Goods efficiency, it's redundancy. We've got this one gigantic mega-fabricator that produces the overwhelming majority of GDI's planetary microchip supply, equivalent to +31 Capital Goods. One big nuclear warhead hit and that's gone.
It's probably the biggest single masterstroke vulnerability GDI has, because it's such a critical facility and we'd be so screwed trying to rebuild it from scratch in a hurry.
The situation is very much like the one with myomers, where we deliberately built an entire second production plant (Reykjavik) rather than merely expand the existing Johannesburg plant, because the prospect of our only factory producing such a valuable material being so vulnerable to a single act of sabotage was frightening.
While North Boston isn't literally our only chip fabricator, it's by far the biggest, much, much bigger than the only other one that's been mentioned on-camera (Manchester).
The value of Tokyo isn't in the goods it produces, of any kind- it's in having a secondary facility that can make microchips of acceptable quality to be expanded and restart our industrial base if something happens to North Boston.
Psions connected to Tiberium seems like something Kane would use, but upgraded Gana are more in the vein of the Indian warlord(s). Leaning towards it being the Indian warlord(s).
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- MSC
So, we're not doing Nuuk 3 for Cap Goods cushion?
We're not sure yet.
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- Mid-Atlantic
Psychics connected to tiberium are the kind of thing Kane would use, but then so are catalyst missiles and fighter aircraft derived from the Tacitus, and those are both things that have been distributed among the most trusted inner circle of Nod's warlords in the past.
The existence of the delta-type Forgotten is arguably a hint of what we'd be looking at if we'd picked the "Assimilation" route at game start, and implicitly that would have included a lot of bioscience. Tiberium-laced bioscience, on a level even Seo barely touches in the game as we are playing it.
While Kane is the obvious main candidate for tiberium-fueled human genetic manipulation and enhancement, I wouldn't be surprised if this is a project that the Indian Nod warlord has been working on (possibly with Kane's approval and support) since before the Third Tiberium War.
It's mostly that if we're going to do it (by which I mean North Boston), I'd kind of rather get it out of the way fast.
On the other hand, we may take (or anticipate taking) major Capital Goods damage this turn that means we need all the Capital Goods we can get, as fast as theoretically possible, next turn.
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The Tokyo plant design has already changed once, to have a bigger output of Capitol Goods.
The isolinear chip tech will certainly change the project's scope again. The military will want isolinear chip hardware.
There are a few ways that this could go down, but I highly doubt that there will not be a Capitol Goods producing isolinear chip factory.
Which could then mean that Boston 5 becomes a Consumer Goods expansion.
(Alternatively, it might be a refit to Boston for isolinear chips, but that seems wasteful, and we could have just kept Tokyo as the Consumer Goods option.)
As far as trying to rush Boston 5 to have a chance of stabilizing Erehwon during a war, I expect that Erehwon will repeatedly point out the stupidity of that.
As for super-gana, this is why I wanted the Mastodon. (And possibly why the Steel Talon's said that they wanted the Mastodon for the gana?)
Because why wouldn't you upsize your biomechanical weaponry?
The isolinear chip tech will certainly change the project's scope again. The military will want isolinear chip hardware.
There are a few ways that this could go down, but I highly doubt that there will not be a Capitol Goods producing isolinear chip factory.
Which could then mean that Boston 5 becomes a Consumer Goods expansion.
(Alternatively, it might be a refit to Boston for isolinear chips, but that seems wasteful, and we could have just kept Tokyo as the Consumer Goods option.)
As far as trying to rush Boston 5 to have a chance of stabilizing Erehwon during a war, I expect that Erehwon will repeatedly point out the stupidity of that.
As for super-gana, this is why I wanted the Mastodon. (And possibly why the Steel Talon's said that they wanted the Mastodon for the gana?)
Because why wouldn't you upsize your biomechanical weaponry?
Are they bigger and more armed, or just better?
I feel like rolling out Mastodons will be more comparable to a shipyard, and that they should be developed next turn, especially now that we have a reason.
Nottheunmaker
Altman be praised
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- USG Ishimura
I really don't like all this planning around Erewhon. He's one guy, and he's already eaten a whole die. We've got millions to look after, and the enemy is unleashing a fresh batch of hell weapons. We should be trying our best by them, not this one dude.
Durabys
Miaow! Break the Chains!
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- the land of the Boii
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Re-read my spoilered post. I edited to reflect Discord reality, it may not be Kane. I fucked up, sorry.
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Well, well, well looks like all the Space Command/Space Force memery paid off.
And the quest does not track things this deeply. While there are narrative effects and such for places like Boston, for the purposes of the game, only the indicators matter. If we lose Boston, we lose 31 points of Capital Goods supply. That's it. That will hurt plenty, but we won't suddenly lose access to advanced computers.
And Erewhon is no doubt supplying us with tons of AI development information in the background.
Also, Erewhon managed a 99 on the public reaction roll. People love the guy, and saving him probably has a fair bit of public support benefit.
Oh stop being so smug.
(To anyone complaining about this being piracy; no, no it is not.)
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Can I be smug, just this once please?
Sailor_Skarro
The Lurker
1. Let Bot be smug
2. Of course it's piracy, we're robbing NOD for their ship. It's just sky or space piracy, depending on your naming schema.
Come back to me when the Space Force flattens the entire Varyag class and/or runs off with their lunch money.
Or we have venerean tib secured and being examined for science.
No it's not.
Piracy is non government actors robbing, sinking, and/or stealing ships. Space Force are military units under GDI's governmental authority performing a search and seizure operation on an enemy warship.
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- Outside the Box
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We don't know that. Thanks to the reroll, Erewhon's timeline might be years long for all we know. But even if there's only one year on that deadline, our immediate priority for the immediate future is still the war, and preventing a disastrous CG shortage. Delaying the next phase of Nuuk, which can be finished in only one turn, to work on Boston for three turns isn't a good idea when the war itself might not last three turns.
Some quick math: If Boston gives us... what was it, +31 CG/turn? (Doing this quickly, so I'm not sure that's accurate or not.) With the Emergency Reallocation bumping that up to +41 CG/turn. If we finish Nuuk Phase 3, Reykjavik Myomers Phase 4, and Enterprise Phase 4, that's +22 CG/turn on top of our current +17. If Boston is destroyed, but we finish those three projects next turn, we'll go down to a -2 CG/turn shortage. Which is easily survivable with our current reserve. But if we don't work on Nuuk next turn, that'll be instead a -18 CG/turn shortage. Which would mean we'd have only one turn to rebuild CG production before we ran out. (But this speculation is a bit shaky since I'm not sure on all the numbers here.)
Privateers are just pirates with a silly permission note.
Because they are private citizens, yes.
Soldiers? Soldiers never need that letter of marque. They are members of the military, whose job already is doing rude things to people.
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- MSC
Mechanics question - does mitigation=abatement?
Yeah the terms are used pretty interchangeably
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Yeah, I think in theory Abatement is active reclaiming of land and Mitigation is slowdown of Tiberium spread but mechanically they are the same for all intents and purposes.
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- USA
This is a very good point- we can consider Erewhon a sapient but that still is 1 life vs the lives of many others that are dying thanks to NOD right now and mono focusing boston is going to increase casualties taken by the military and possibly civilians.
That may no longer be the case. @Derpmind probability chart has Nuuk at 15R per die, same as Boston, from the crit.
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Miaow! Break the Chains!
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- the land of the Boii
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The AI's that could be developed thanks to Erewhon could save millions, too. Example? They could boost economic output so that we have the resources for new medicine to be developed and so on. The later those AI's are developed, the more potential lives would be lost.