Personally I disagree that the no IF plan will sabotage state stability. A fraction of IF becoming more radicalised probably doesn't mean a lot of people willing to use violence. I figure with a significant boost to InOps (as we're already providing) they aren't likely to achieve much
Attempting to Fulfill the Plan: GDI Edition
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Yeah, I'm right there with ya.
You have your assumptions, I have mine. There are more ways to destabilise a state than terrorism.
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Fair enough. Frankly I'm more worried about keeping the ridiculous number of immigrants we just got happy than IF
Which might be harder when the IF leaders start agitating the 8% of the residents that voted for them to make the immigrant lives harder in small ways. Basically a "You want to be petty when we are trying to be reasonable? Ok, we can be petty right back." situation.
If you ever read any malicious compliance or neighbor from hell stories, you would know that there are many legal ways for making people feel unwanted. And with IF voter base being likely very motivated they can cause much bad blood without breaking any laws.
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I figure that to be less of an issue than the treasury supporting a party which calls for segregation.
Not that the argument is relevant any more
feel like they are already doing this
Turns out the entire argument these last 2 days was entirely pointless
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So Kane rolled to talk?
... not how it works. WOG that Kane would have made his offer before the 4YP simply to save author the work of having to go through the 4 year plan bit twice.
No, we're joking about it.
I believe if Kane was gonna turn up it would have been before reallocation
Absolute last window to start is 2064Q4/2065Q1, but ideally we go a year earlier during the 2063Q4/2064Q1 window.
Significantly better viability wise although we should still wait for a bit to get more ships out. I believe we won't do it this year, probably not the last year either
The longer we wait the more bote we have but the sooner we do it the less it has to be rushed and the less chance of something fucky turning up and stopping us
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I'd be amused if Kane showed up for talks and the GDI just focused on Stahl. I mean; sure Kane has knowledge out the wazoo, but Stahl is brilliant.
And Terrifying.
I mean, if we could recruit him...
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That... that sort of thing would require a lot of time. Time on the scale of "all leave earth because the Tiberium is reaching the mantle and will explode" for current GDI/NOD divisions to meld and bleed through and reform into new ones.
My point is that I think Stahl joining the GDI would require enough time have to passed that longevity is a necessary discovery.
It was a joke. Mostly. I mean, just think of all the abatement we could do with the entirety of south america.
But yeah, not gonna happen
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My impression is much much less that one might think.
I have faith that Stahl is currently abating south america to a significant degree.
#IBeliveInStahl
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Edit: I'm drunk and petty and I'm certain it's been brought up before, but @Ithillid
1. What advantages to income/abatement could the GDI get from a sizable breeding population of Tiberum-Goats?
2. Can we please nick sizable breeding population of Tiberum-Goats?
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Looking at the 40 RZ Mitigation commitment:
The currently available Tiberium only projects (not counting the RZ Harveting/Glacier Mine Combo):
-Red Zone Border Offensives Phase 2-5: 101/800 Progress ~8 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 12 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~100 RpT
-Deep Red Zone Glacier Mining Phase 1-5: 0/1225 Progress ~13 Dice median
--Provides 5 Energy
--Provides 5 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~325 RpT
--Requires 15 Logistics
-Red Zone Containment Lines Stage 6-8: 54/675 Progress ~7 Dice median
--Provides 3 Energy
--Provides 9 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~45 RpT
Gives a total of 26 RZ Mitigation. For the remaining 14 we have two current options: the RZ Harvesting / Glacier Mines Combo and the MARV Hubs and Inhibitor Combo.
To get 14 RZ Mitigation with RZ Harvesting and Glacier Mines we would need 7 sets of the combo.
-Red Zone Harvesting Stage 12-20: 29/1200 Progress ~13 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 8 Mitigation
--Provides ~140 RpT
-Red Zone Glacier Mines Stage 13-21: 38/1640 Progress ~17 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 8 Mitigation
--Provides ~520 RpT
--Requires 40 Logistics
Note that I have included an extra phase of RZ Harvesting /Glacier Mines to ensure the same amount RZ Mitigation between the combos
-Total:
--Requires ~30 Dice
--Provides 16 Energy
--Provides 16 Mitigation
--Provides ~660 RpT
--Requires 40 Logistics
To get 14 RZ Mitigation with the MARV Hubs and Inhibitor Combo we would need 2 sets of the combo.
-RZ MARV Hub x4: 0/1340 Progress ~14 Dice median
--Provides 4 Energy
--Provides 12 Mitigation
--Provides 100 RpT
--Note we only technically need one additional MARV Hub in RZ 1 to unlock the Inhibitor there.
-RZ Inhibitor x2: 0/240 Progress ~3 Dice median
--Provides 4 Mitigation
-Total:
--Requires ~17 Dice median
--Provides 4 Energy
--Provides 16 Mitigation
--Provides 100 RpT
From this it is clear to see that the MARV / Inhibitor combo is far more efficient at producing RZ Mitigation as it produces the same amount for 13 less dice (not counting the dice needed for the Logistics cost), however given we also need to produce 1200 income, there is an argument to be made for the RZ Harvesting / Glacier Mine combo, as if we went for 8 sets of that combo with the other RZ mitigation producers in Tiberium that is a total of 1130 RpT, almost all of our commitment there.
However there is the enormous 40 Logistics cost that the Glacier Mines would incur. Also there is the need for Vein Mines to counter the sub-surface Tiberium, and ZOCOM is still stressed. While it is likely that we'll be able to get the Border Offensives and Deep Glacier Mines done thanks to the proximity of our forces and the sets of Zone Armor already produced while we rebuild our income to get more GFZA, it is a bit far out to project on if they could support the Glacier Mines.
Personally I come down on the side of MARV / Inhibitors for the the Mitigation and take up the slack in Income with Vein Mines with the dice saved, both directly and from not needing to support the insane Logistics cost.
The currently available Tiberium only projects (not counting the RZ Harveting/Glacier Mine Combo):
-Red Zone Border Offensives Phase 2-5: 101/800 Progress ~8 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 12 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~100 RpT
-Deep Red Zone Glacier Mining Phase 1-5: 0/1225 Progress ~13 Dice median
--Provides 5 Energy
--Provides 5 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~325 RpT
--Requires 15 Logistics
-Red Zone Containment Lines Stage 6-8: 54/675 Progress ~7 Dice median
--Provides 3 Energy
--Provides 9 RZ Mitigation
--Provides ~45 RpT
Gives a total of 26 RZ Mitigation. For the remaining 14 we have two current options: the RZ Harvesting / Glacier Mines Combo and the MARV Hubs and Inhibitor Combo.
To get 14 RZ Mitigation with RZ Harvesting and Glacier Mines we would need 7 sets of the combo.
-Red Zone Harvesting Stage 12-20: 29/1200 Progress ~13 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 8 Mitigation
--Provides ~140 RpT
-Red Zone Glacier Mines Stage 13-21: 38/1640 Progress ~17 Dice median
--Provides 8 Energy
--Provides 8 Mitigation
--Provides ~520 RpT
--Requires 40 Logistics
Note that I have included an extra phase of RZ Harvesting /Glacier Mines to ensure the same amount RZ Mitigation between the combos
-Total:
--Requires ~30 Dice
--Provides 16 Energy
--Provides 16 Mitigation
--Provides ~660 RpT
--Requires 40 Logistics
To get 14 RZ Mitigation with the MARV Hubs and Inhibitor Combo we would need 2 sets of the combo.
-RZ MARV Hub x4: 0/1340 Progress ~14 Dice median
--Provides 4 Energy
--Provides 12 Mitigation
--Provides 100 RpT
--Note we only technically need one additional MARV Hub in RZ 1 to unlock the Inhibitor there.
-RZ Inhibitor x2: 0/240 Progress ~3 Dice median
--Provides 4 Mitigation
-Total:
--Requires ~17 Dice median
--Provides 4 Energy
--Provides 16 Mitigation
--Provides 100 RpT
From this it is clear to see that the MARV / Inhibitor combo is far more efficient at producing RZ Mitigation as it produces the same amount for 13 less dice (not counting the dice needed for the Logistics cost), however given we also need to produce 1200 income, there is an argument to be made for the RZ Harvesting / Glacier Mine combo, as if we went for 8 sets of that combo with the other RZ mitigation producers in Tiberium that is a total of 1130 RpT, almost all of our commitment there.
However there is the enormous 40 Logistics cost that the Glacier Mines would incur. Also there is the need for Vein Mines to counter the sub-surface Tiberium, and ZOCOM is still stressed. While it is likely that we'll be able to get the Border Offensives and Deep Glacier Mines done thanks to the proximity of our forces and the sets of Zone Armor already produced while we rebuild our income to get more GFZA, it is a bit far out to project on if they could support the Glacier Mines.
Personally I come down on the side of MARV / Inhibitors for the the Mitigation and take up the slack in Income with Vein Mines with the dice saved, both directly and from not needing to support the insane Logistics cost.
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Iirc Stahl actually lets our abatement teams go through his territory.
(Tib goat petting zoo)
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That little cyan spot is also right where Rio de Janeiro is, which is known to be a major NOD port.