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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
Alas he is dead and quite beyond imposing his will on anyone unless some enterprising necromancer gets their hands on his bones. :V

That said given how idiosyncratic wizards can be about their projects some oversight form someone who does not guzzle down refined warp energy is probably a good idea.
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If word gets out that magical energy ALREADY affect the goings and oppinion of its residence... its going to riot. Or at least, some concern will be raised.. strongly.

Idealy, its neutral, but if not possible, channel it so it affects no one.

But some would prefer some wind more then the other.. and might require it to be spread...

So i think either this is kept secret from the emperor, or he knows and he believe the patriarchs to behave responsibly about it.

However.. i think most ruler would prefer a more "orderly' wind then a wild or foggy one. It is which makes me think.. the emperor does not know too much about the impact of these winds.
 
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B_omega said:
If word gets out that magical energy ALREADY affect the goings and oppinion of its residence... its going to riot. Or at least, some concern will be raised.. strongly.
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Odds are priests with decent mage-sight can already see the magic affecting people, the thing is that would not be some great surprise for the citizenry. They already assume magic is affecting them, that is why there were already riots. The details do not matter and in any case they are rather on the technical side for the general public.
 
DragonParadox said:
Odds are priests with decent mage-sight can already see the magic affecting people, the thing is that would not be some great surprise for the citizenry. They already assume magic is affecting them, that is why there were already riots. The details do not matter and in any case they are rather on the technical side for the general public.
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I wouldn't be so sure. We're not talking about magic being directed to people and clumping around them, it's more like the whole place is more amber, and slightly less everything else. It's purely a difference in the background levels, and that's a hard thing to notice.

The analogy to me is - imagine someone, in the middle of the night, replaced all my lightbulbs with ones that emitted 10% more green light and 10% less red, I wouldn't notice at all. My eyes would adjust to the new baseline, and that'd be that.
 
kingreaper said:
I wouldn't be so sure. We're not talking about magic being directed to people and clumping around them, it's more like the whole place is more amber, and slightly less everything else. It's purely a difference in the background levels, and that's a hard thing to notice.

The analogy to me is - imagine someone, in the middle of the night, replaced all my lightbulbs with ones that emitted 10% more green light and 10% less red, I wouldn't notice at all. My eyes would adjust to the new baseline, and that'd be that.
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Except it does not happen in the middle of the night, it happens in a big public ceremony which the Templars of Sigmar at least watch very carefully. I imagine there are quite a few other priests out there watching for any signs of strange events when the duels happens simply to get warning if necesary of the Night of a Thousand Duels is about to get a repeat.
 
DragonParadox said:
Except it does not happen in the middle of the night, it happens in a big public ceremony which the Templars of Sigmar at least watch very carefully. I imagine there are quite a few other priests out there watching for any signs of strange events when the duels happens simply to get warning if necesary of the Night of a Thousand Duels is about to get a repeat.
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But how rapidly does the change in winds happen? We know it's less than 8 years, but beyond that - is it a wave that moves outwards at the speed of magic instantly making the switch or is it a fade over the course of a day/week/month?

EDIT: Or is it a wave that peaks at +80% victorious wind, before settling down to only +20% or somesuch, meaning that the flash blinds those watching it to the lingering change? There's all sorts of possibilities.
 
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Altdorf has been impossible to map ever since Teclis rearranged it to find room for the Colleges. There are neighbourhoods with itinerant menhirs, neighbourhoods that still smoulder from the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, neighbourhoods where the streets connect together differently if you think about it too much. Anyone with a window view of the Celestial College quickly forgets that window exists. There are impossibly thick fogs that are so prone to causing riots that it's become routine to call up the militia to supplement the City Watch every time one descends. Altdorfers already know that magic is affecting their everyday lives.
 
BoneyM said:
"So witnessed," comes the chorus from the leaders of the other seven Orders, and a pulse of Ghur rises from the Staff of Volans and floods outwards, disrupting the magical barriers, pushing open the doors, and flooding into the streets beyond.
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kingreaper said:
But how rapidly does the change in winds happen? We know it's less than 8 years, but beyond that - is it a wave that moves outwards at the speed of magic instantly making the switch or is it a fade over the course of a day/week/month?
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Seems like it happens pretty much instantly
 
henkalv said:
Seems like it happens pretty much instantly
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That pulse happened with the patriarch, and therefore the wind in charge, not having changed at all. It was a visible effect precisely because we were in a zone that had been temporarily neutralised, and then switched back to ghur.

So in order for it to be visible it can't exactly reflect the nature of the lasting change over the whole of Altdorf.

The most parsimonious explanation for the lasting change is that it's the result of the gradual build-up of Ghur flowing out of the arena. Which would be very much gradual, and hard to notice any large-scale effects because by the time you get a mile away from the source it's far too dispersed.
 
BoneyM said:
Altdorf has been impossible to map ever since Teclis rearranged it to find room for the Colleges. There are neighbourhoods with itinerant menhirs, neighbourhoods that still smoulder from the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, neighbourhoods where the streets connect together differently if you think about it too much. Anyone with a window view of the Celestial College quickly forgets that window exists. There are impossibly thick fogs that are so prone to causing riots that it's become routine to call up the militia to supplement the City Watch every time one descends. Altdorfers already know that magic is affecting their everyday lives.
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So to the question of does ambient magic make life in Aldorf worse for the common man the answer is yes no matter who heads the Colleges. I have to say I prefer living in our nice safely isolated wizard's tower where the locals generally see only the benefits of magic. One more reason not to take a job in Aldorf, not only are the locals prejudiced against wizards they are at lest in some measure right that magic is bad for them.
 
BoneyM said:
Altdorf has been impossible to map ever since Teclis rearranged it to find room for the Colleges. There are neighbourhoods with itinerant menhirs, neighbourhoods that still smoulder from the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, neighbourhoods where the streets connect together differently if you think about it too much. Anyone with a window view of the Celestial College quickly forgets that window exists. There are impossibly thick fogs that are so prone to causing riots that it's become routine to call up the militia to supplement the City Watch every time one descends. Altdorfers already know that magic is affecting their everyday lives.
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You know, on reflection: maybe it's not just prejudice for why people still don't like wizards.
 
DragonParadox said:
Alas he is dead and quite beyond imposing his will on anyone unless some enterprising necromancer gets their hands on his bones
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I am getting rater concerned about the number of times people had used the word "bones" recently. Seems like the recent magical duel arose the spirit of "GET!" in the voters.
 
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DragonParadox said:
So to the question of does ambient magic make life in Aldorf worse for the common man the answer is yes no matter who heads the Colleges. I have to say I prefer living in our nice safely isolated wizard's tower where the locals generally see only the benefits of magic. One more reason not to take a job in Aldorf, not only are the locals prejudiced against wizards they are at lest in some measure right that magic is bad for them.
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Jyn Ryvia said:
You know, on reflection: maybe it's not just prejudice for why people still don't like wizards.
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The other side of the coin here is that the Empire was not destroyed by Asavar Kul, which makes up for quite a bit of inconvenience. Wizards exist as an institution because the alternative was the end of the world. Altdorf 180ish years ago lost their shit over Wizards in their midst, but modern Altdorfers react to Wizards by being performatively unimpressed with them.
 
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DragonParadox said:
So to the question of does ambient magic make life in Aldorf worse for the common man the answer is yes no matter who heads the Colleges. I have to say I prefer living in our nice safely isolated wizard's tower where the locals generally see only the benefits of magic. One more reason not to take a job in Aldorf, not only are the locals prejudiced against wizards they are at lest in some measure right that magic is bad for them.
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Altdorf is the most wizard-friendly place in the Empire.

Even if it's mostly so that Altdorfers have something else to feel superior about.
 
You know, harking back to a previous post, about how if Teclis showed up to the octannual duel the assembled Lords Magisters would probably just fanboy/girl to the extent they'd hand over the Staff of Volans, I was wondering what Teclis would do with the Colleges if he miraculously could shake loose eight years from his schedule to pick up his work on them?

They've obviously developed in all sorts of directions since he left, many of which he may not have expected, so it could very easily be a case of being careful what you wish for for the Colleges.
 
DragonParadox said:
Keep in mind most people in the empire do not live in Aldorf. Mathy's parents sure as hell never saw a wizard in their lives and odds are neither had any of their fellow villagers when they tried to have her burned at the stake.
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I just pointing, when you look at Altdorf, Nurn and any of the places with a large among of wizards.

they do seem to be pretty shitty neighbours on average.

like frathoses, but instead of puke on your postbox ever morning it's living puke that's on fire.
 
BoneyM said:
Altdorf has been impossible to map ever since Teclis rearranged it to find room for the Colleges. There are neighbourhoods with itinerant menhirs, neighbourhoods that still smoulder from the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, neighbourhoods where the streets connect together differently if you think about it too much. Anyone with a window view of the Celestial College quickly forgets that window exists. There are impossibly thick fogs that are so prone to causing riots that it's become routine to call up the militia to supplement the City Watch every time one descends. Altdorfers already know that magic is affecting their everyday lives.
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Alternately, they think thats normal and are intensely suspicious when they leave the city and this stops happening.
"I don't understand, we've been walking in a straight line for at least a quarter of an hour and we still haven't passed the same street twice."
"You can't go outside when the weathers like this, thats how you end up in a riot."
 
BoneyM said:
Altdorf has been impossible to map ever since Teclis rearranged it to find room for the Colleges. There are neighbourhoods with itinerant menhirs, neighbourhoods that still smoulder from the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, neighbourhoods where the streets connect together differently if you think about it too much. Anyone with a window view of the Celestial College quickly forgets that window exists. There are impossibly thick fogs that are so prone to causing riots that it's become routine to call up the militia to supplement the City Watch every time one descends. Altdorfers already know that magic is affecting their everyday lives.
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It sounds like Praag. Without tentacles.
 
Dark as Silver said:
Alternately, they think thats normal and are intensely suspicious when they leave the city and this stops happening.
"I don't understand, we've been walking in a straight line for at least a quarter of an hour and we still haven't passed the same street twice."
"You can't go outside when the weathers like this, thats how you end up in a riot."
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For a native Altdorfer sure, but a substantial portion of the city's population is immigrants.

(Course, immigrants tend to be quick to claim themselves as native and adopt the Altdorfer attitude)

(IRL, to my understanding, historically cities had below-replacement levels of population growth when you factor out people moving in- that didn't change until modern sanitation and medicine and such)
 
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