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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Omegahugger
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Part of his job is representing the Light College publicly, a job he just did a spectacularly bad job at.
Yes, Alric's still above average for a Light Magister that Mathilde's worked with, but I'm beginning to suspect that Horstmann and his entourage are an outlier that should be discounted.
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Jovi sunscryer didn't leave a corpse, i think you can let him rest
He was Supreme Patriarch during the Night of a Thousand Arcane Duels, you know the thing that got hundreds of wizards killed. For that alone he should not have been allowed to get anywhere near the posting.
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He has shown he's bad at his job in front of Mathy. Even leaving aside the colossal fuckup that is the N1kAD (I have shortened it for easier use) because sometimes wizards do just go crazy and catching that is super hard. But that he has a frustrated understudy is a pretty bad sign, you would think he'd be really careful about after the N1kAD debacle. We know that he's not been able to unify his college behind him recently. And this recent performance was embarrassing too, he got slapped down with a moderately complicated spell (which as a mental effect, you'd think one of the light wizards would have a pretty good resistance to). Yes, Dragomas rolled super well, but rolls become IC truth.
Nobody can deny that Alric was once a supremely badass dude. Enough so, that even with age (presumably) catching up to him, he's still dangerous as hell. But ultimately, the problem isn't even the size of his... magic stat. It's that his leadership and general wisdom isn't too hot from what we've seen.
Honestly, I'd compare him to Dumbledore. Extremely powerful and talented, thereby accomplishing some really impressive feats that gain him serious political power, but unsuited to truly making the best of that power. Or put another way, a great wizard promoted into position of leader, which he wasn't or isn't great at. (Though presumbably not that terrible, or he wouldn't have gotten the second and third terms)
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To put it in perspective, he was experienced enough to be Supreme Patriarch during the N1kAD and that was 75 years ago. I'm fairly sure even Melkoth would be giving him side eye by now.
- Location
- Leeds
Lets keep in mind that he served two other terms that where totally unmarked by that chaos.
Although I am curious about his age, 12-20th and given an 8 year term, thats 64 years between his first and last Supreme Patriarch role plus however long the colleges where disbanded for. And Dragomas has just had a 24 year period so even if Alric became SP when he was 18, he must be in his hundreds now.
Guy probably first became SP closer to its founding than the current day.
So what? Given the scope of the catastrophe and the fact that it is the only event of its sort in the history of the colleges ' Well at least I did not preside over two' is a really weak defense.
Possibly, I gave it some thought and was leaning towards 'yes' but decided to roll the duels before I really hashed it out.
I'm fairly sure that Alric WOULD be normally a fairly strong contender for the spot, simply because:
-He's won the title before and hold it for multiple terms. If nothing else he's a great duelist. Dragomas made it look easy, but Dragomas also crossed an expanse as a Journeyman that would put Lord Magisters at significant risk of misadventure.
-He has quite a bit of political support from accumulated political favors from his tenure. Power builds power, people remember the favors they owed from when he did them a good turn.
-He's still holding onto the Light College after everything. Not all the time, but by the above two points, that he's even in the running says he's really that good, leading a secret cult, or both.
The Greys don't like the whole mess, but the other Colleges may not feel so strongly about the matter.
That said I'm not sure why Mathilde would need to contest for the title to enact her Waystone plans, because last we heard, College leadership already wants in on the Waystones, there just hadn't been a proposal likely to end well yet.
-He's won the title before and hold it for multiple terms. If nothing else he's a great duelist. Dragomas made it look easy, but Dragomas also crossed an expanse as a Journeyman that would put Lord Magisters at significant risk of misadventure.
-He has quite a bit of political support from accumulated political favors from his tenure. Power builds power, people remember the favors they owed from when he did them a good turn.
-He's still holding onto the Light College after everything. Not all the time, but by the above two points, that he's even in the running says he's really that good, leading a secret cult, or both.
The Greys don't like the whole mess, but the other Colleges may not feel so strongly about the matter.
That said I'm not sure why Mathilde would need to contest for the title to enact her Waystone plans, because last we heard, College leadership already wants in on the Waystones, there just hadn't been a proposal likely to end well yet.
Omegahugger
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I'll let Sunscryer rest once the fires in Drakenhoff die down for good!Jovi sunscryer didn't leave a corpse, i think you can let him rest
... But then again, Jovi did do more during his unfortunate showing than the Lord Magister did here, so you're right, it isn't fair to rank him below that. Alric confirmed below average even by the standards of "Light Wizards Mathilde has seen in action".
A decent analogy, though one important difference is that Alric is actively chasing the role of a leader. If he was "just" thrust into the position, he wouldn't be challenging Dragomas for the part without some other baggage unbeknownst to us
I mean if we just did not want Alric we could simply beat him up and then bow out of the next duel, let whoever challenged us next have it.
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And thus the importance of being at least somewhat popular. There are likely plenty of wizards in the room that aren't interested in the job, but don't want certain other people to have it.
I would say we have very good odds at once victory, if only because the first spell he cast on us would end with the knowledge of it burned from his living brain. I imagine that is a little more distracting than the Cowering Beast.
Looking at the numbers, Alric had a 35% chance of beating Dragomas. The Jade Battlewizard had a 25% of winning. Considering that Alric probably had a century+ of wisdom, power and experience over the Jade, which only translated into a raw 10% increase, suggests that he's not as on top of his game as he should be.
I kinda wish one of the other heads had tried, so we could see the numbers for that fight. It would help tell us if Alric is weak for his position, or Dragomas is unusually strong. If someone like Mira or Elspeth had a 45% chance (or even higher) then that would indicate that Alric is starting to decline.
If I do some back of the envelop conversions, we can guesstimate that Dragomas has a "Supreme Duellist" rating of 10, compared to Alric's 7 and the Battlewizard's 5. Unfortunately, that's not enough datapoints and too many variables to draw accurate trends from, so lets look at the gossip instead. Algard spoke like he had a decent chance if we wanted it, Elspeth and Paranoth were both speculated to have the strength but not the political will, whilst Feldmann had the political support but not the strength, and Reicthard is "not a risk taker", which suggests the odds were not in his favour.
As such, I'm going to tentatively rank the heads, based solely on Grey gossip, so this could be very wrong:
Dragomas: 10
Elspeth, Paranoth and Algard: between 8 and 12
Alric and Reicthard: 7
Feldmann: between 5 and 7
Maria: ???
Young Jade Battlewizard: 5
I'd put Mathilde between 3 and 5, myself, simply because we don't have many options or abilities for this sort of challenge. If we dedicated the next 8 years to it, we could easily become skilled enough to make a fair try for it.
I kinda wish one of the other heads had tried, so we could see the numbers for that fight. It would help tell us if Alric is weak for his position, or Dragomas is unusually strong. If someone like Mira or Elspeth had a 45% chance (or even higher) then that would indicate that Alric is starting to decline.
If I do some back of the envelop conversions, we can guesstimate that Dragomas has a "Supreme Duellist" rating of 10, compared to Alric's 7 and the Battlewizard's 5. Unfortunately, that's not enough datapoints and too many variables to draw accurate trends from, so lets look at the gossip instead. Algard spoke like he had a decent chance if we wanted it, Elspeth and Paranoth were both speculated to have the strength but not the political will, whilst Feldmann had the political support but not the strength, and Reicthard is "not a risk taker", which suggests the odds were not in his favour.
As such, I'm going to tentatively rank the heads, based solely on Grey gossip, so this could be very wrong:
Dragomas: 10
Elspeth, Paranoth and Algard: between 8 and 12
Alric and Reicthard: 7
Feldmann: between 5 and 7
Maria: ???
Young Jade Battlewizard: 5
I'd put Mathilde between 3 and 5, myself, simply because we don't have many options or abilities for this sort of challenge. If we dedicated the next 8 years to it, we could easily become skilled enough to make a fair try for it.
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I thought that it showed the problem was clearly with the betrayer. If everything goes fine every time except that one time Horx is involved then Horx is the problem not Alric.
I disagree that Dumbledore wasn't seeking political power too. He had two positions he could have just not had and focused soley on being headmaster. But you are right that Alric does not seem to have the same baggage as Dumbledore when it comes to power.
And to be fair to him, he did later have two more terms as SP, which didn't go remarkably badly, and probably even decently well on the second term, or he'd have gotten so many challenger that he'd have been beaten by sheer numbers. He hasn't gotten forcibly removed from the Patriarch position either, and we can be quite sure the Lights tightened their internal security after the N1kAD. The problem with Alric isn't that he's bad, it's that others are better.
The problem here is that Horx was not just a Light Mage, he was Alric's protegee, you cannot just dump all the blame on the conveniently dead guy. Alric should have noticed, and that he did not is a failure as a wizard as much as more generally as the head of a college.
You know that saying with where the buck stops, well I do not think it should stop at the bottom of a grave.
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- Utrecht
There's a chance that Horstmann is just Horx II.
Looks like a pattern of workplace stress, taken to the extreme.
Canon
Horx: fuck that guy, imma trap him in crystal
Horstmann:fuck that guy, imma...
Tzeentch: heeeey❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Horstmann: take meee!
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Divided loyalties
Horstmann:fuck that guy, imma...
Mathile: Adventure! 🖤Science! 🖤Magic! 🖤Research! 🖤far away from alric!
Horstmann: take meee!
Tzeentch: Mathilde'd💔
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Omegahugger
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Of course not, why would it stop just because it's in a-Oh, right, you weren't weren't talking about undead leaders, sorry, that was my mistake, I do that all the time, a downside of joining this Quest in a place when conveniently dead people had an annoying habit of not staying that way.
Toxic environment?
Sounds like the entire collage deserve a vacation in clean air, good ale and juicy steak.
Another expedition to the badlands perhaps?
On another note, howcome our old master/foster dad never came to visit k8p?
We would surely provide him with good food and ale.
We can then have him take a look at our library and other things to take care of while we are bussy with magical stones..
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- Utrecht
I think he did. The chain teleport thing was in k8p