Mopman43
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The description of the 8th edition spell only says 'could not'.
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And that a Kadon created the Scrolls of Binding. And considering that some of those Scrolls can work on Daemons, Chaos beasts, Vampires, and Tomb Kings, some theorize that there might be a connection between the Amber Kadon and the Kadon that was founder of Mourkhain and wearer of the Crown of Sorcery.
Mopman43
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It'd certainly be appropriately confusing if it was the other Kadon.
I don't know if it was intentional on their part, but GW certainly manages to make things in the lore as confusing and contradictory as if it was actual history.
It does seem to actually increase my enjoyment of a setting if there are layers of sometimes-contradictory canon to go through and make sense of. I had a lot of fun with oWoD and Shadowrun back in the day.
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I'll admit, I have definitely enjoyed finding contradictions even when I complain about them.
I'm reading through Realms of Sorcery today and I realized that the writers confused the start of the Imperial Calendar as the date of Sigmar's disappearance, rather than his crowning- they keep saying things like "Almost exactly two thousand three hundred years after the death of Sigmar Heldenhammer, the prayers of the people seemed to have been answered. A sign appeared in the night sky—a twin-tailed comet, the ancient symbol of the Empire's divine founding father, arched across the heavens in fiery glory."
Referring to the sign that inspired Magnus the Pious in 2300 IC.
The fact that will soon be an internal contention inside his school.
Im not sure he will retire quietly, so we might have to keep a lookout to make sure this stays in house, so to speak.
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That would be rather concerning, considering that he also founded a cult that worshipped Nagash. And, well, was killed by Ushoran.
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The Imperial Calendar seems to be a bit of a problem. Every tribe of Sigmar's time had their own way of measuring the passage of days, and Sigmar couldn't declare one supreme without causing conflict, so he invented a new one that nobody wanted to start using. To this day there's a mind-boggling array of regional variations on timekeeping. Now and then one Emperor or another appoints someone to try to standardize all the variants of it used throughout the Emperor, and at best it turns into a massive religious slapfight, and at worst a new and interesting variety of Tzeentchian cult.
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Mopman43
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Hmm.
Well, I don't think it's super likely the Jades have invented a way to violate one (two?) of the Cardinal Rules of Enchanting by creating a temporary enchantment in seconds.
And then a ex-battle wizard Magister showed it off in front of all the colleges.
But as a 'a Battle Altar is a large thing you ride on that is used to cast battle magic' sort of Structural-Purist Function-Neutral thing...
My understanding is that
A: 'Mage sight' is a sense that can be manipulated, so you can hide magical entities if you want.
B: While the illusion can't entirely hide itself, a sufficiently talented wizard can make the illusion subtle enough that it blends into the background winds.
It'd be a pretty shitty witchhunter who couldn't kill one skeleton. A mediocre city guard, honestly.As long as we need less than one skeleton per witchhunter, their natural resources would solve that problem
Hey, it worked for Magnus the Pious!
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Er, are you thinking of the Grand Theogonist who nuked Mannfred's army?
Because that was about 200 years before Magnus the Pious.
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I like to think that the existence of Elspeth the Terrifying has done a lot to normalise the idea that some wizards, be it by deed or just personal quirk can be ageless. Especially if they are big-name wizards.
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Dude's totally a dragon, 100% confident that this is a case.
Ok, but this is less fun to imagine than a wandering ageless dragon-wizard out and about having fun, so I'm going to pretend that it is not true
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We also know that that final fate is just one of the several attributed to him, and that most or all of them were either fabrication or something that happened to some apprentices of his.
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Hmm, I wonder if we'll get to read about what the other members of the expedition wrote on the phenomenon at Karag Dum and what other Scholars have to say on the subject.
I wonder if we could ask a member of our new research branch to monitor the subject for us and bring us up to news if anything new comes up on the subject?
I wonder if we could ask a member of our new research branch to monitor the subject for us and bring us up to news if anything new comes up on the subject?
That does seem like a key factor for not being a lame duck Supreme. The duels here showed it pretty well I think, Dragomas demonstrated that:
-Trying to counter his Transformation means he just uses one of his many other spells to kick your ass instead.
-Trying to blitz him with a one hit kill spell means he demonstrates that he's a master counterspeller too.
-He can also quickdraw you with a direct damage spell.
-Or he can go dragon and pin you.
-And all of the above shows that he's more than good enough to know what strategy you're going to use the moment you enter the arena.
Which is basically a demonstration that no, there is no One Neat Trick to defeat him and he has his title as chief asskicker for a very good reason. The iconic dragon transformation is really more a piece of showmanship than crucial to his strategy. EVERYONE shows up with a counter to Dragon, and then Dragonmas punks their ass anyway.
If you win the challenge on a One Neat Trick you're going to lose to the next challenger, who're going to counter that trick or bring their own.
So in the hypothetical case that Mathilde rolls up with her equipment to have a go, the Belt would be a nasty initial surprise, but it would be on cooldown for the next challenger anyway, so it wouldn't be too tricky for someone to deliberately toss a lesser spell to absorb that counter, and then deal with a teleporting greatsword ninja, or to just buff-chain up(as for the lost spell, its not too difficult to recover with some re-learning anyway, its just part of the hazard).
Overall the main issue for Mathilde is she's kinda built for assassinating people, not for dueling, any scenario where she has to duel a startlingly wide array of opponents sequentially where everyone can see every trick used, is not a good time for her.
She could win, but I don't think she could make it look good. There'd be a lot of challengers barring extremely good diplomatic groundwork.
That probably also applies to Final Transmutation guy, but worse, because he'd have won only by murder-gacha, and thats just not right against a well respected SP like Dragomas. Even if he got the post I'm not sure he'd get a lot of cooperation.
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Man, "The time a calendar change became a plot of the Chaos Gods" sound like it would an excellent clickbait history video.
...In the year 3,000 or 4,000, when Warhammer Fantasy's glacial technological and cultural pace has finally advanced far enough to have such things.
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Pretty sure it was this:
On the topic of the duels- and the post was a fun read!
I think this was a low-key but very significant comment from Algard.
Something that thread-posters with political ambitions may want to consider. We saw how some people (Algard for sure, likely many other respectably powerful Lord Magisters) refrained from even considering challenging Dragomas for the reason that they feel he's doing a good job. That is aside, or alongside, from any personal calculation of their ability to win the fight or not.
Dragomas was entrenched enough within the Amber College to make a challenge the first time around, and is now further entrenched as a successful, popular (& powerful) incumbent.
Even still, he got a few idiotic challengers, like LM Final Solution.
Who would not be considered 'entrenched enough' by the many other worthy notables in the crowd- such that turning Dragomas into gold would have resulted in a long line of 'responsible' challengers, convinced this Gold idiot was not the right Wizard for the Job, as well as all those chancers who now fancy their chances of winning where they didn't against Dragomas.
Which is to say, if Mathilde were to develop such aspirations, it's possible she could develop sufficiently to win the duel. And perhaps even have enough in the tank to beat all of the challengers, too. Even the 'extras', if people thought she'd be a bad Supreme Matriarch for whatever reason.
However, even after winning through a towering display of unmatched prowess, and seeing off all challengers- that wouldn't also necessarily mean she had the powerbase- within her own College, and support from sufficient other Colleges- to be a successful Supreme Matriarch. As I believe Algard was noting, it's a position that needs the support of the eight- rather independent- constituent organisations, as much as it directs them.
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Mopman43
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It doesn't actually give a source for this paragraph, though I'm looking in Monstrous Arcanum (slightly stymied by the fact that Forgeworld hates legible fonts).
Now, if that is true, two things- this is very explicitly an in-universe history written by a Ghur wizard living in Tilea, and I have yet to see anything necessarily confirming that the Kadon with the scrolls is the Kadon who made the Transformation.
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Its Throne of Vines isn't it?
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Exactly, which is my ideal timeline for a bid at the top spot places it at an unknown, post-Waystones and, ideally, post-Grey College career, point in the future. A successful Waystones project would do much to get our name out there, especially if we involve some of the Colleges so they get some of the glory as well. IIRC someone's previously done a breakdown for which Colleges we might gain rapport with in the course of the Waystones project. The Lights for example might be a shoo-in, with Horstmann in and contact made with LM (maybe Matriarch soon) Mira. A career in the Grey College meanwhile, ideally in a titled position in its internal hierarchy, would secure support from the homefront, that is if Waystones doesn't already do that for us.