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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Jyn Ryvia said:
now, overall its the unnecessary violence and Betraying a fellow to authorities that he doesn't really give riggle room for, but like boney said; you only get so many 'clever interpretations' before your just making excuses and will get smited.
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There is a little wriggle room in the betrayal clause, in that some actions are so bad that doing them means they're no longer a fellow worshipper, so ratting them out becomes kosher.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
While this is in good fun, I need to point out that Ranald does have rules, and can get very very annoyed with followers that break them easily.

One coin in ten belongs to Ranald.

Ranald frowns upon unnecessary violence.

Live by wits, not by your sword.

A true devotee of Ranald uses the dagger and stiletto; only amateurs and the slow-witted need armour and long sword.

It's better to live free and die, rather than suffer under oppression.

There is no honour among thieves, yet trust in your brothers and sisters, for there is honour among Ranaldans.

Betraying a fellow to authorities is the cardinal sin.

now, overall its the unnecessary violence and Betraying a fellow to authorities that he doesn't really give riggle room for, but like boney said; you only get so many 'clever interpretations' before your just making excuses and will get smited.
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The real question is: are we an amateur or simply slow-witted? Also, I kind of doubt we invested 10% of our gains in our ranaldian shrines...
 
Sparsebeard said:
The real question is: are we an amateur or simply slow-witted? Also, I kind of doubt we invested 10% of our gains in our ranaldian shrines...
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Its more that the spirit of the tenet is to use finesse over brute force, which we follow just fine.

BoneyM said:
To extrapolate on this: Mathilde genuinely believes she is following the spirit of the stricture. She is not using a large, heavy weapon because she is choosing brute strength over finesse and wit. She is using a large, heavy weapon because when she had the time and opportunity to learn how to wield a weapon, the Greatswords were the best teachers at hand. She employs her greatsword with as much cleverness and skill as she is able, rather than using it as a bludgeon to batter away obstacles. In this way she follows the strictures of Ranald as she understands them. The name of Branulhune is not her flaunting her breaking of a stricture, it's her showing her devotion to it.

If she actually was a big hulking brute that thought she could get away with whacking people with a huge chunk of metal as her first resort by saying it's actually a really big dagger, Ranald would be distinctly unamused.
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Some Ranaldians would definitely disagree with Mathilde's interpretation here, but they're religious tenets so that's pretty much inevitable.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
I think early in the quest Boeny said that they take away Ranald's cut before giving us the pay, for ease of bookkeeping.

I think, its been awhile.
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I did a quick search, and I found this quote:

BoneyM said:
Ranald worship varies. You could find both sets being followed in different parts of the Empire. As I've stated before, Mathilde's relationship with Ranald is more unstructured than normal, and Ranald doesn't seem to mind. He's certainly capable of dropping hints if he really wanted his one in ten.
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Which implies we don't pay the one coin in ten to Ranald, and that he's okay with it. I suspect the tenants of the cult are just that—laws cult members have to follow. We're not in a cult, so we can be a bit more liberal than the average cultist in interpreting Ranald's principles and how they apply to us.

We also have a direct line of communication with him (rather than having to go through a bunch of priests), and should we stray too far from what he thinks is acceptable... well, "Don't" was a very memorable moment.
 
My comment was more tongue-in-cheek than anything, especially about the sword which Boney did talk about previously. I just thought it was funny.

As for the tithe, imagine if we had to give away a tenth of the Karaks or cities we "stole" to Ranald, I don't think the dwarves would appreciate lol.

I do think it would be in character to invest part of our windfalls in our Ranaldian shrines more regularly but I don't think it's a big deal. After all, we gave him much more that just coins.
 
We gave him at a conservative estimate at least 90% of the take of the Mork Heist, presuming we take the metaphor of stacks of coins excessively literally and assume that it takes at least ten coins to make a decent stack. Presumably one Empress is at least equivalent to 2000 Dawi.
 
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GrimTheMad said:
Its more that the spirit of the tenet is to use finesse over brute force, which we follow just fine.



Some Ranaldians would definitely disagree with Mathilde's interpretation here, but they're religious tenets so that's pretty much inevitable.
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I like the idea that it is a dagger, but Mathilde is just way shorter than anyone has realized due to ulgu confusing matters.
 
Jreengus said:
I know we get to posthumously write Mathildes will if she dies but I'd prefer to just not mention the coin at all. Leave it chance where it ends up, it feels very appropriate given the origin.
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My idea was to add it to the coin collection and anonymously gift it to Mandred. Either he is worthy and Ranald makes sure he finds it or he isn't and Ranald makes sure it gets stolen from whatever boring exhibition it gets displayed at.
Jyn Ryvia said:
One coin in ten belongs to Ranald.
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I think early in the quest Boeny said that they take away Ranald's cut before giving us the pay, for ease of bookkeeping.

I think, its been awhile.
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@BoneyM is that true? What have we been doing with all that insane amount of money? Also, is it all coin earned through Ranaldite methods (gambling, stealing, conning, robbing from oppressors) or just a tithe on all earnings like the College one?
 
Rafin said:
@BoneyM is that true? What have we been doing with all that insane amount of money? Also, is it all coin earned through Ranaldite methods (gambling, stealing, conning, robbing from oppressors) or just a tithe on all earnings like the College one?
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It's not true, Jyn misremembered and was thinking about the College tithe. As per the quote Nerdasaurus Rex pulled, we don't tithe to Ranald.
BoneyM said:
Ranald worship varies. You could find both sets being followed in different parts of the Empire. As I've stated before, Mathilde's relationship with Ranald is more unstructured than normal, and Ranald doesn't seem to mind. He's certainly capable of dropping hints if he really wanted his one in ten.
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...Amusingly, following that quote back to the original post, Boney's answer was in response to a question by you in September 2019. Time is a flat circle.
 
picklepikkl said:
It's not true, Jyn misremembered and was thinking about the College tithe. As per the quote Nerdasaurus Rex pulled, we don't tithe to Ranald.

...Amusingly, following that quote back to the original post, Boney's answer was in response to a question by you in September 2019. Time is a flat circle.
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That quote wasn't a direct reply to the Ranaldite tithe thing, so I didn't remember it as such.
 
consequences said:
We gave him at a conservative estimate at least 90% of the take of the Mork Heist, presuming we take the metaphor of stacks of coins excessively literally and assume that it takes at least ten coins to make a decent stack. Presumably one Empress is at least equivalent to 2000 Dawi.
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Yeah, Mork generously covered any tithing obligations when we diverted 1/10th (or w/e) of his power to Ranald. I think that's us tithed pretty well, given our non-conventional relationship.
Plus, the entertainment factor, even as we've transitioned from amusing to interesting to very useful.
 
Presumably Ranald derives about the same amount of amusement as an average quest reader. (Probably more)

And considering how good this quest is, it is definitely a lot.
 
WhiteNights said:
Presumably Ranald derives about the same amount of amusement as an average quest reader. (Probably more)
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No presuming about it, if we can take Heidi at her word in this matter at least.
BoneyM said:
She turns the cup again, and then takes a sip. You help yourself to some of the biscuits while she thinks. "He's quite taken with you, our mutual friend. At first because you were entertaining, then because you were interesting. More than a few Grey Wizards direct prayers His way but few actually believe as strongly as you do. So when the conspiracy started paying you more attention, the Sigmarites that Abelhelm had sicced on the Lahmians started having lucky breaks. Then your man up and died and the incomplete list went to the Greys and a whole lot of pyres started burning."
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Also, as it was quoted above:
BoneyM said:
She is using a large, heavy weapon because when she had the time and opportunity to learn how to wield a weapon, the Greatswords were the best teachers at hand.
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Citation needed. :V
Doesn't say much for the state of Stirlandian swordplay, does it.
 
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BoneyM said:
There's no hard answers to be had here. How people react to that information will depend on a lot of factors, including how they find out about it and what light that information is presented in. 'Some Wizard has a magic coin that lets the holder thief real good' is going to get a different sort of attention to 'a loyal follower of Ranald has been gifted a sacred artefact that lets the holder thief real good'. If you go with something along the lines of 'Mathilde, Lady Magister of the Grey Order, makes an announcement to the world that she is festooned with artefacts, come and have a go if you think you're hard enough', then the reaction from pretty much anyone with two brain cells to rub together is 'this has to be a trap'.
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Looking back, I think "Come Have a Go If You Think You're Hard Enough" might be the Motto of the colleges. I'm glad they have their own magic creole language for things though, because while "quia parum putas esse vestrum ire" sound exactly like you're asking someone to square up and dance, knowing it's an actual magic language gives me joy.
 
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honestly I think my favorite thing about this cat is just how PRETTY it is covered in jewelry from all the ladies of the Ice Courts

is he their trusted friend?
stalwart guard?
pretty kitty pet dawh let's gift him immortality?

Sure he's a killer and obligate carnivore, but to a goddess like Shalyak that seems secondary to the fact he's such a pretty kitty yes he is

Adorable god of prowlers, gamblers, thieves and rebels.
Ranald the pretty kitty :3
 
BoneyM said:
Branarhune aspect developed and mastered
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Rereading the last chapter, the name here didn't seem right, but it might be a case of me not knowing how words in khazalid work. Or is this the name of the fighting style that Branulhune enables?

Seems like we'll get to see the duels for supreme patriarchship, which sounds like a fun time. Does the actual mechanics of those duels ever appear in canon? Are they open to the public, open to the colleges, open to select people in the colleges? Do the duels have announcers and judges? Has Mathilde ever watched one of them before? Where do they hold them? Got to be somewhere with space enough to transform into a dragon I suppose, so maybe the Amber grounds? Guess I'll wait and find out, but it's one of the pieces of the Warhammer lore that I never had a close look at, so it should be interesting.
 
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henkalv said:
Rereading the last chapter, the name here didn't seem right, but it might be a case of me not knowing how words in khazalid work. Or is this the name of the fighting style that Branulhune enables?
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Yes, Branulhune is the blade, Branarhune is the style of combat we are trying to develop, consisting of 4 core techniques:

1) Momentum sink:
Using the fact that when Branulhune is summoned it is stationary (relative to us or to Mallus? I don't remember. It is often the same thing, but not always), we can dismiss and resummon it to shed any momentum it has, allowing very fast recovery even from massive, seemingly overcommited swings.

2) Quick draw:
Using the fact that we can summon Branulhune at a moment's notice, we can use this technique to suddenly murder unsuspecting opponents from seemingly unarmed state.

3) Hand switching:
Using the fact that Branulhune, despite being a greatsword, can be wielded one-handed, we can dismiss it from on hand and summon into another, drastically changing the profile of the strike and effectively enabling us to turn any attack into a feint post factum.

4) Guard bypass:
That's basically an extension of the quick draw - we can dismiss Branulhune before the opponent's parry, continue the motion with hands alone and resummon the blade after the parry, both unbalancing our opponent and bypassing his defense, which makes parrying very unreliable method of defense against Branulhune.

ATM we developed (1) and (2), critting on the (2).
 
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