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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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DragonParadox said:
You need greenhouses in order to have rooms that are filed with the right Wind.
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In the Colleges? No you don't. Those are already mono-Wind environments. All you need is a fertile patch of dirt and appropriate nutrients.

And if you need higher concentration, I am pretty sure that each College is more capable that Mathilde or any Dwarf at making a permanent focusing lens or whatever for their own Wind.

They Grey College could literally just plant them in a box on the Outside of its true walls.
IronFist said:
Well, yes, but if we want the structure to be a part of the college itself, it can't be just a cave. It has to be a structure within the building. Therefore, greenhouses :)
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Any room without windows simulates a cave well enough. A greenhouse is the opposite. A glass (or IRL also plastic) house that simulates perfect weather even when there isn't any, perfect for rapidly growing plants. Fungi aren't plants though and most don't really need the sun much. Windsoak mushrooms evidently don't need the sun at all.
 
Realms of Sorcery, page 73
If a Magister has a child, he will either be sent far away never to see his parents or know of their abilities, or he will be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of the Order that his parents belong to—there is rarely any other choice.
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Why are magisters prohibited from having children?
 
Andres110 said:
Realms of Sorcery, page 73

Why are magisters prohibited from having children?
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I would say that part is not quest canon compatible. More like a star wars loan :(
Taking people's children away is a good way to foster disloyalty. But in the last chapter we've seen the actual policy: you can take people's children legally, but usually they get consent from both the child and the parent to prevent trauma where possible. I doubt they wouldn't extend the same courtesy to their own members.
 
NuclearConsensus said:
Perhaps to avoid situations like with Panoramia having two masters in practice: her mom and her actual master.
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Panoramia being raised in the college her mother is a magister in does indicate that this piece of fluff probably isn't canon for the quest.

EDIT: wait no, focused too much on the first part of the sentence, didn't really see the second. That's a really weird thing to do, can only guess that it's done if the magister doesn't want the child. But to send them away sounds dumb if there is good odds that they inherit their parents abilities with magic.
 
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Andres110 said:
Not talking about celibacy, but having kids in the sense of raising them.
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I'm pretty sure they are not as seen with Panorania. RoS is close to quest canon, but it is not necessarily 100% accurate for the quest, I mean how would sending them away if they do not have magic even work, you don't know if they have magic until after puberty. That like just looks like random grimderp to me.
 
Andres110 said:
Realms of Sorcery, page 73

Why are magisters prohibited from having children?
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They're not, it's just the grimdark slipping through. It's canonical that Brights and Jades have families (But in the former case it tends to be a bit of a shitshow because tempers run so hot).

It's just that the canonical Colleges of Wizardry didn't have a big thing to point at to establish their real credentials as a great institution until the Storm of Chaos somehow, so 2nd edition WFRP has them being in a historically good position riding high off the credit of their performance there.
 
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Andres110 said:
The extract I quoted was "kids of wizards are taken away or join the parents' college". Panoramia is an example of the latter, and doesn't disprove that the former happens.
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OK so who does the taking away and for the love of all the gods why? I mean if I were say a rich alchemist with the connections to set up my kid with a good guild apprenticeship I would be remarkably pissed off if some undefined force took away said kid... just because. It is nonsense of the sort that actively fosters disloyalty. It is also basically impossible to enforce on say Celestials who would be able to find their missing kids by magic.
 
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This section of the magic book does seem a little grimmer than intuitively makes sense. Page 74 gives us this:
Upon being accepted by a Magister, hopefuls become the first level of apprentice, known as an Apprentice. Once accepted, the Apprentice, or his family, is expected to either offer a substantial endowment to the College for upkeep during the Apprentice's entire time studying with his mentor. If he or his family have no money, they are expected to give anything and everything they can afford to the College, more as an act of total submission than for any real monetary worth that new Apprentice's meagre possessions may fetch.
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I mean, Warhammer. Past a certain point, it's less about making a society with flaws and more about making something that hurts people for no reason because suffering is deep, right?
 
Andres110 said:
This section of the magic book does seem a little grimmer than intuitively makes sense. Page 74 gives us this:
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Yeah I think we can safely ignore that part. I mean for one thing how would the College enforce payment? The nobles would go crazy over the notion, the commoners would go to the cults and they would use that as an excuse to attack the colleges. Secondly 'act of total submission'? Really? i think we just found someone who thought he was writing 40K. :V

We know IC what a journeyman's debt looks like for a penniless orphan in this quest and it ain't that, it is just a case of 'pay X money to get in the black'.
 
Rafin said:
Friedhof means graveyard though.
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The greatly respected Siegfriedhof, home of the Black Guard and bulwark against Sylvania, has had an impact on Stirlandian Reikspiel that contemporary German lacks.

Andres110 said:
Realms of Sorcery, page 73

Why are magisters prohibited from having children?
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You're completely misreading it. A Wizard's child can be raised by that Wizard, and if they do so, it means that the child will be "raised in the traditions and spellcraft of the Order that his parents belong to". A child will always be influenced by the person that raises them, and in the case of Wizards, it almost certainly means the child develops a mindset most suited to the same Wind as their parent. The only alternative to the child developing that mindset is to have them "sent far away never to see his parents or know of their abilities".
 
BoneyM said:
You're completely misreading it. A Wizard's child can be raised by that Wizard, and if they do so, it means that the child will be "raised in the traditions and spellcraft of the Order that his parents belong to". A child will always be influenced by the person that raises them, and in the case of Wizards, it almost certainly means the child develops a mindset most suited to the same Wind as their parent. The only alternative to the child developing that mindset is to have them "sent far away never to see his parents or know of their abilities".
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No, I got that, I was just asking why, if a magister has a child that has no magical ability and thus can't be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of their order, the child is taken away from that magister. Like, if Mathilde adopted a kid and the kid turned out to have not even an ounce of magical potential, she'd have that kid taken away.
 
Andres110 said:
No, I got that, I was just asking why, if a magister has a child that has no magical ability and thus can't be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of their order, the child is taken away from that magister. Like, if Mathilde adopted a kid and the kid turned out to have not even an ounce of magical potential, she'd have that kid taken away.
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I don't think adoption counts for this rule.
 
Andres110 said:
No, I got that, I was just asking why, if a magister has a child that has no magical ability and thus can't be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of their order, the child is taken away from that magister. Like if Mathilde adopted a kid and the kid turned out to have not even an ounce of magical potential, she'd have that kid taken away.
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Magical ability cannot be measured until it actually develops, and it does not develop in the vast majority of people until after the point where their raising is considered finished. Whether or not a child will actually become a Wizard eventually does not retroactively change the way in which they were raised.
 
Andres110 said:
No, I got that, I was just asking why, if a magister has a child that has no magical ability and thus can't be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of their order, the child is taken away from that magister. Like, if Mathilde adopted a kid and the kid turned out to have not even an ounce of magical potential, she'd have that kid taken away.
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It doesn't say that those who get sent away are those without magical abilities, also in quest I would think that non-magical children of wizards most likely either live their own lives after being raised in the order or stay on as administrative staff/other perpetual jobs.

If the whole "being sent away never knowing their parents" is a thing at all then I would think it is a case of the order member not wanting the child and sending it off to adoption, but even then I would be very surprised if the order didn't keep an eye on them in case they develop a sudden case of magic.
 
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Andres110 said:
No, I got that, I was just asking why, if a magister has a child that has no magical ability and thus can't be raised in the traditions and spellcraft of their order, the child is taken away from that magister. Like, if Mathilde adopted a kid and the kid turned out to have not even an ounce of magical potential, she'd have that kid taken away.
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Where are you getting that from? If the child of a Magister hasn't got an ounce of magical talent, there is precisely nothing that the Colleges have the authority to do as regards them.
 
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