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…King of Clan Weber, you say?
And pretty hard to avenge a Grudge against, oh I don't know, a nations' patron God.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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And pretty hard to avenge a Grudge against, oh I don't know, a nations' patron God.
…King of Clan Weber, you say?
And pretty hard to avenge a Grudge against, oh I don't know, a nations' patron God.
If one accepts that Clan Weber is a thing, then the natural assumption is that it is a Clan affiliated with Karak Eight Peaks, making Belegar its King.
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I see.
English prepositions can be wonderfully ambiguous, can't they.
I read 'As' as 'acting in the capacity'
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Wait, she can? I thought that a) Mathilde wasn't officially a subject of King Belegar in this way and b) Clanless in general aren't considered a proper part of the Karaz Ankor and have a real hard time escalating anything to the High King through traditional channels.
I'm curious what kind of precedent King Belegar will introduce when it comes to non-Ancestor Cults.
Also, does Mathilde count as the head of the local Zhufokri Guild or has Belegar properly understood that every color is a separate Guild except when it comes to some weird cross Guild Super Grandmaster in Altdorf?
Though I guess maybe that question became moot before ever becoming relevant due to WEB-MAT being exactly what the Dwarves would understand as a multi-color Zhufokri Guild and Mathilde actually is it's official Grandmaster.
She's not. She could change that by poking at the ambiguity of her status in such a way that it resolved into Clanless or Clan Weber if she really wanted to interface with the Grudge system.
Clanless have no traditional channels, so petitioning the King directly is the only way for them to seek redress.
There is no local Zhufokri Guild. The Colleges are recognized as foreign Guilds that the Wizards are still members of.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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There's at least one example of a Grudge declared on behalf of a human (a mercenary that died trying to save Kazador's family from Gorfang Rotgut).
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Would this be seen as a breach of the articles?
Mainly the whole loyalty to Sigmars Empire and the emperor thereof part?
Belegar being a dwarf king might make it not a problem, but it seems like a potential issue to me.
The Articles dictate which loyalties should be foremost, but not that they be exclusive. Nobody's going to be too upset about her having what amounts to dual citizenship with the Empire's oldest ally, they would just expect that the Empire comes first.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Title drop.
I wonder if we'll ever have a relationship with the Eonir similar to that of the dwarves?
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Maybe if we figure out Waystones, save the Waytrees, single-handedly broker a new iron-clad treaty respecting their land claims in perpetuity with Nordland, guaranteed by the Emperor, and clear a nasty Beastman infestation or three we'd be somewhere on the way to trying it and finding out.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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Or push back Chaos even a bit. Most of the goodly races would probably be pretty damn happy if we managed that.Maybe if we figure out Waystones, save the Waytrees, single-handedly broker a new iron-clad treaty respecting their land claims in perpetuity with Nordland, guaranteed by the Emperor, and clear a nasty Beastman infestation or three we'd be somewhere on the way to trying it and finding out.
Mathy does have both the history and traits that make her prone to cultural assimilation.
She is head pat biased.
All Queen Marrisith(or her brother, the Waystones still sound like one of his projects to me) have to do is be nice and fair and Mathy will do her overachiever best.
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I don't know why, but I always get confused when it comes to Clanless. I thought that they weren't officially a part of the Karaz Ankor anymore and that legally they were considered something like tolerated guests in a Karak that don't get the kind of condescending lenience that Umgi get due to still being Dawi held to Dawi standards. Essentially I thought that a Clanless has no more traditional and guaranteed rights that a mercenary or foreign merchant.
Ah, so WEB-MAT is just the equivalent of an expedition or ambassadorship of the Zhufokri Guild of Altdorf.
I think your getting confused because it is a term that applies to a broad range of individuals.
boneyM was assuming you meant dwarfs without a clan or don't know their clan but are still in good standing.
not the clanless that where kicked out or exiled or what have you.
And a mercenary or foreign merchant could also petition the King. It's far from guaranteed that the King would actually act on the request of a Clanless to acknowledge and make right a Grudge.
Something like that.
So looking ahead a bit to the start of the Waystone project I think we should really be an overachiever. This is a new boss and we want to put our best foot forward. We have had quite a few turns when we skated by on 1-2 Mathilde AP on the job (and for good reason like 'we have just retaken the whole hold' or in the case of the last turn 'just come back from hell'). But all that leeway, all that banked goodwill and trust, that will not be there is Laurelorn. Oh they will know us by our deeds and those deeds are impressive, but they are also remote at of little ultimate note to the Eonir.
So consider this a somewhat long-winded way to support 3-4 AP into the job at least for the first year or two, to get a solid foundation of hard work. We cannot make the results come any faster than they will, but we can at the very least look dedicated.
So consider this a somewhat long-winded way to support 3-4 AP into the job at least for the first year or two, to get a solid foundation of hard work. We cannot make the results come any faster than they will, but we can at the very least look dedicated.
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I agree with the sentiment... but the whole AP thing will be redisigned and we will basically be leading two other institutions who can help.
It will be difficult to measure it with past mechanics.
True, consider the numbers something of a placeholder for 'engage more with the job'.
Even if they do, they were nomadic for a large part of that time and they must have gone through a lot of tribulations. I'm not even sure they have a native tradition of pre-Teclisian magic, much less that it would have preserved something about magic and waystones
So... they are as likely too have knowledge as half of our leads is what you are saying?
I would say they are less likely to have leads than any of the human traditions for one simple reason, population. There are fewer halflings than there are humans and even assuming a similar rate of magic expression that means very few potential wizards even now, never mind in the remote past when any of that knowledge was at the greatest risk of being lost