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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Romv said:
How so? It would have been pronounced like 'wezoowi-'.
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At the very least there's the difference between the "w" sound and the "oo" sound and V changes between the two based on context. Like VESVVI could also have been pronounced 'wezwooi-', but it isn't, right?

I never quite understood how we know about old pronunciations from various periods of a language, especially one with no more native speakers like Latin. Were there ever ancient pronunciation guides that survive to this day? I know that Greek had some attempt at something like that after Alexander's conquest of Persia, but I don't know how usual that was.
 
I think Dwarf craftsmen can understand the idea of 'artistically bad' if you explain it to them. Maybe even see the artistic point.

but I don't think it would be an form of expression that they would See the appeal of.
 
Rafin said:
At the very least there's the difference between the "w" sound and the "oo" sound and V changes between the two based on context. Like VESVVI could also have been pronounced 'wezwooi-', but it isn't, right?
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Yeah, I didn't explain this very well: originally all V/U letters would have been pronounced 'oo'. It's just that in front of vowels an 'oo' becomes something we'd hear as a w. This is what would later be written as a v. Classical Latin makes no distinction, you pronounce it as 'oo' and whether that sometimes sounds a little different doesn't matter. It's just that languages evolve and changes or quirks in pronounciation get codified into spelling or not.
 
SakSak said:
Then you get the words where the pronunciation rules simply change. Take Lieutenant - pronounced for some strange reason as Leftenant (instead of using the pronunciation of the words 'lieu' and 'tenant')
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You know, if we're being accurate here, I'm pretty sure that's only the case in British English? I'm pretty sure the American pronunciation is "lieu-tenant".
BoneyM said:
(help I've been nerd sniped)
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Now I'm wondering if you wanted to get involved when the thread was completely about pronunciation.
 
BoneyM said:
A lot of languages have incorporated the Roman title of Caesar in various ways and I don't know of any that kept both the pronunciation and the spelling. Kaiser, Tsar, Czar, Kayser, Kēsar, Qaisar, Çezar, Ķeizars, Καῖσαρ, قیصر ,קיסר, կայսր, and so on. It entered into English via the Germanic kaisar (or something similar, we don't know a lot about Proto-West Germanic) and shifted over time from cāser to cāsaer to cāsere, and at some point the word started being pronounced with a soft C as English phonology shifted, giving us 'see-sar'. Modern English re-adopted the original Latin spelling but kept the morphed pronunciation.

Funnily enough, the meaning of 'Caesar' didn't even last out the Roman Empire. After Augustus adopted it from Julius to emphasize his connection to him, it shifted from 'heir to Gaius Julius Caesar specifically' to something very roughly equivalent to 'Emperor' to 'designated heir to the Emperor' to a court title unrelated to succession that kept being bumped down in importance as new and more powerful ones were invented.

And if we really want to get pedantic, we need to stop saying 'Gaius Julius Caesar' to mean the old Roman guy in the Asterix comics. Latin didn't have mixed case, it didn't have J or U, and the gens Julia preferred an older spelling for 'Gaius'. So the fellow is 'CAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR'.

(help I've been nerd sniped)
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To quote a wise man;

These Romans are crazy.
 
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Redshirt Army said:
They wouldn't realize it's intentionally bad, since to them it seems about on-par with other human works. :V
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Thinking about this some more, I bet at least some young Dawi radicals get a kick out of looking at human work and ironically appreciating how bad it is.

i. ... . hav the droveshaft

difermentmial gaering
 
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Jyn Ryvia said:
I think Dwarf craftsmen can understand the idea of 'artistically bad' if you explain it to them. Maybe even see the artistic point.

but I don't think it would be an form of expression that they would See the appeal of.
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Maybe Dawi who have lived with Umgi, or who exist at a different culture than the current Karaz Ankor one anyways.

But from what we have seen in Dwarven art, it is... well, it aims to describe and/or immortalise things that have happened, it doesn't seem like the components of more metaphorical, abstract or symbolic art even exist in Karaz Ankor (though to be fair its probably cultural, considering mining metaphors are considered ok, so some Dawi would understand).
 
Rafin said:
I never quite understood how we know about old pronunciations from various periods of a language, especially one with no more native speakers like Latin. Were there ever ancient pronunciation guides that survive to this day? I know that Greek had some attempt at something like that after Alexander's conquest of Persia, but I don't know how usual that was.
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Apparently a great deal of what we know about how the Romans pronounced Latin are from written complaints from them about people pronouncing things wrong.
 
Burned_Cookie said:
The Romans are houses? I think you might wanna elaborate on that one?

Or well the more accurately "The romans are house" but that doesn´t work in a sentence.
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It's a reference to the Monty Python movie Life of Brian.

Brian tries writing graffiti on the walls saying "Romans go home", but he gets the grammar wrong and writes that. And a passing centurion corrects his grammar with physical violence and tells him to write it correctly 100 times or he'll chop his balls off.
 
On a totally different note... Do we know anything about Panoramia's height?

Most importantly, since we know Mathilde is on the short side, could Panoramia tuck Mathilde under her chin? I consider this vital information.
 
LadyLynn said:
On a totally different note... Do we know anything about Panoramia's height?

Most importantly, since we know Mathilde is on the short side, could Panoramia tuck Mathilde under her chin? I consider this vital information.
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Yep:

BoneyM said:
Taller, though not tall.
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I think there's a more precise one somewhere, but couldn't find it. Instead, have some more general height related info.


BoneyM said:
People were two or three inches shorter on average during this time period, and Stirlanders tend to be on the short side as well.
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LadyLynn said:
On a totally different note... Do we know anything about Panoramia's height?

Most importantly, since we know Mathilde is on the short side, could Panoramia tuck Mathilde under her chin? I consider this vital information.
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Alas, she's only an inch taller than Mathilde.
BoneyM said:
She stares at you wide-eyed, somehow giving the impression of looking up at you despite being an inch taller.
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If Mathilde is scraping five feet in boots, Panoramia is a whole, towering, 5'1" in her usual sandals.
 
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