Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
Zhufokri?
(Zhuf for torrent, as in Zhufbar, and Okri for craftsman)
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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(Zhuf for torrent, as in Zhufbar, and Okri for craftsman)
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
It's highly context dependent. "Zhufi" means "magic person" and is somewhat derogatory, but is the general term most dwarves would use to reference most wizards. "Zhufokri" ("magic craftsperson") is a more polite term, and would be used if either the wizard in question has earned specific respect or the dwarf speaking has unusual respect for wizards.
Then, each of the magic disciplines would have its own variation on that with a prefix ("something magic person/crafter"), and you can also specify the rank of the wizard by changing the suffix, but "zhufi" and "zhufokri" would be the most generic terms.
- Location
- Earth
Here you go.
Edit: Weber'd. Also, if you want/need to conjugate, there's this bit from the bottom of turn 33:
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SMAHK 2: History of the Rite of Way
- Location
- The willow crowned hill
- Pronouns
- She/They
Well, here it is. My apologies in advance.
Man, if Head Librarian pulls through I'd love to try and make a social call to the heads of the biggest libraries in the Old World. Try to set the foundations for working relationships and stuff.
Valarauko
Demon of Power
- Location
- Angband
Since this got revisited a little while ago, I would submit also that we have our principal floorplan: the tilted hash, probably with somewhat longer legs than the Kron. The symbolism in Poetic Khazalid is apt as already described, but more importantly, it allows us an actual reason to sneakily dedicate the library to Ranald (per a very old idea thousands of pages ago to be Ranald's wingman in making a peace offering to the inlaws). Just look at it! Four intersecting <x>s! Put in a cat statue across from the Verenan owl at each corner/intersection and it's perfect.Because I am the way that I am, I've decided to try to make the emblem of our new library. Here's what I've got:
Meanwhile, a crossing over hash means "book":
As such, a sideways hash should mean "treasure trove of books".
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Dermonster
The Shittiest Wizard
Those steam wagons really should've watched out for them slopes.
K von Carstein
Likes to go for a walk
- Location
- Belgium
- Pronouns
- He
I've always thought that in English it was pronounced Sea-sar.
Anyway, Ky-sar is the original Latin pronounciation.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
No you're right in English it's pronounced sea-sar.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I've heard it both ways, personally.
A lot of languages have incorporated the Roman title of Caesar in various ways and I don't know of any that kept both the pronunciation and the spelling. Kaiser, Tsar, Czar, Kayser, Kēsar, Qaisar, Çezar, Ķeizars, Καῖσαρ, قیصر ,קיסר, կայսր, and so on. It entered into English via the Germanic kaisar (or something similar, we don't know a lot about Proto-West Germanic) and shifted over time from cāser to cāsaer to cāsere, and at some point the word started being pronounced with a soft C as English phonology shifted, giving us 'see-sar'. Modern English re-adopted the original Latin spelling but kept the morphed pronunciation.
Funnily enough, the meaning of 'Caesar' didn't even last out the Roman Empire. After Augustus adopted it from Julius to emphasize his connection to him, it shifted from 'heir to Gaius Julius Caesar specifically' to something very roughly equivalent to 'Emperor' to 'designated heir to the Emperor' to a court title unrelated to succession that kept being bumped down in importance as new and more powerful ones were invented.
And if we really want to get pedantic, we need to stop saying 'Gaius Julius Caesar' to mean the old Roman guy in the Asterix comics. Latin didn't have mixed case, it didn't have J or U, and the gens Julia preferred an older spelling for 'Gaius'. So the fellow is 'CAIVS IVLIVS CAESAR'.
(help I've been nerd sniped)
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
...You're really glad we finally got Polyglot, aren't you?
Languages would have continued to be a pretty big thing either way, the trait choice just changes whether Mathilde will typically be the one wielding it or being bewildered by it. Both can be fun to write - Mathilde fumbling her way through Khazalid with growing confidence from the Expedition onwards was as much a joy as her more recent mastery of it.
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- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
I assume you count the Eastern Roman Empire as a continuation of the original, right? No criticism, just want to clarify.
Because Caesar as heir/junior Emperor was used even after Justinian's dynasty IIRC.
As for U/V, isn't it more fair to say that they didn't have a designated v letter and instead wrote their u letter with a pointy bottom? Or am I doing some basic mistake here? I never actually studied Latin.
How would they have spelled Vesuvius?
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I thought emperor derived from "Imperator" which just meant "guy in charge of the military" in a given area, and without qualification meaning "guy in charge of all of roman military"?
Yes.
No, it was one letter that is pronounced in different ways depending on how its used, just like there's a hard C and a soft C while both are the same letter.
VESVV and various declensions thereof.
I meant in the English sense rather than the Roman one, hence 'very roughly equivalent'. It's a tricky topic to talk about briefly because so much English terminology is inherited from Latin while not using it the same way as the Romans did, and because a cornerstone of Roman belief was that they did away with their monarchs and were a lot better off for it early on, so the titles of the Roman Empire did a lot of dancing around the fact that they had monarchs again.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
The Latin U/V was pronounced somewhat like the 'oo' in 'good', which becomes something like a 'w' in some situations. Veni vidi vici would have been something like 'weni widi wicky'.
French doesn't really have the 'w' sound, and so a common aspect of Frenglish is the use of a 'oo' sound to approximate as well.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Ah. That kind of explains the birth of the W. To V in succession, each pronounced differently and the whole thing shortened to a single sound.
...Or I might just be doing the dumb scholar thing where I find an elegant explanation that makes good sense, without actually doing any research or having any evidence.
That seems to clash with pronunciations of words like VESVV. Did it maybe change from one to the other at some point in the history of Latin? It was a living language for pretty damn long after all.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Title escalation is fascinating, but alas, this is probably not the thread to talk about it.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
You're... probably not wrong, though I imagine the QM knows where to stop.
This discussion will be retroactively relevant when Mathilde overthrows a republican empire and becomes the sole dictator, thereby adding a new (laurel) hat to her growing list of head adornments.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
How so? It would have been pronounced like 'wezoowi-'. It's a similar thing to the i/j difference. When you pronounce a short 'i', it automatically becomes something like the (German/Dutch/...) 'j' in front of vowels.
- Location
- Greece
Well, here it is. My apologies in advance.
I wonder what the Dawi would think about SBaHJ
On one hand, it is exceptionally shoddy.
On the other hand, it aims to be exceptionally shoddy, and the craftsmanship that goes into making it exceptionally shoddy is impressive and genuinely a lot.
Would they deem it religious hubris? On the ground that someone did this intentionally that bad, not due to their inadequacy? Or would they shake their head and say "bah, umgi weirdness"? Or would they actually kind of admire the craftsmanship, even if the purpose is alien to them?