I get that, which is why I understand the reason you do not want to give out the information. The trouble is that in this case the mechanical effects inform everything else to a scale out of all proportion to any other choice in the thread. Locked AP for instance would impact every single plan vote for the foreseeable future. That is why we are all playing 'guess the AP number', behind that dry fact is every single action we might want to take and all the fluff that involves.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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I get that, which is why I understand the reason you do not want to give out the information. The trouble is that in this case the mechanical effects inform everything else to a scale out of all proportion to any other choice in the thread. Locked AP for instance would impact every single plan vote for the foreseeable future. That is why we are all playing 'guess the AP number', behind that dry fact is every single action we might want to take and all the fluff that involves.
I'd like you to imagine a future where a nefarious Boney M twirls his moustache and then announces that a significant chunk of Mathilde's life is now irrevocably trapped within a restrictive branch charter and I allow absolutely no way for her to extricate even a sliver of her time from it for the rest of her natural lifespan, then I'd like you to realize that's silly and start engaging with the quest in the way that I'm asking you to engage with the quest.
That seems like a good idea. I've got the impression the thread has been getting on your nerves recently, and I really don't want that to taint things. Maybe a few days away from peoples questions will help?
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No matter what form of college we found we'll likely be able to adjust how much time we invest in it up or down, by changing how much we delegate.
We could go hands-off (0 AP) for the library, or hands-on (0.5 AP) or micromanagement (more AP based on how micromanaged)
There'll be benefits from whatever level of investment, but writing up a 20 page chart of the possible investment levels of each possible charter would be dull as heck for everyone involved.
If that was a salve to be applied, it's not one I'd whip out partway through a contentious vote. I'll still be phoneposting.
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I am seeing this idea that if a topic can theoretically be studied by a single College, then that is out of bounds for the College of Collaboration. But just because something could be studied by a single College, doesn't mean it can't be studied by an interdisciplinary group.
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I think the argument is more that you have to recruit a second wizard no matter what the project.
I did not attribute malice and I just took what information we had such as the fact that the charter would be hard and foolish to change and then infered from there. That said if you say that there will not be any significant AP lock or restriction from this I'll take your word on it.
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And in most cases studied better by the interdisciplinary group. A celestial can ensure you're not being bamboozled at the start, a gold can help with materials analysis, a light can banish the demon you accidentally summoned, etc.
Spending a Great Deed and then having your hard-earned reward turn into a ball and chain that needs hacksawing off would be punishment enough without making it inescapable.
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I have gotten a very similar vibe, honestly. I get the idea that it's mostly just for the members of the Duckling Club who are into that.
I would love to be contradicted here, though.
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I now really want someone to photoshop Boney M frontman Bobby Farrell coming out of a genie lamp with an evil mustache.
Yeah, that seems to be the takeaway from what Boney said about how some of the stuff we've already done, the ratling gun/windshrooms/lighting mechanism/initial investigation of the We could all fall within the Collaboration remit, because even though those things could theoretically have been done by one wizard working alone, we actually did them with Friendship and Teamwork rather than just sending someone off to do it and then report back six months later.
Hopefully that settles people's concerns about whether the Collaboration charter can be used to whack our artifact backlog in addition to Waystones/AV/Windherding.
Sure, but that's more fun to read about anyway? I enjoyed reading "Mathilde and Johann poking at the ratling gun as a team" more than I enjoyed reading "Johann poked the We corpses and reported back six months later." Character interaction generates interest. People can still pursue solo projects in their own time, but stuff done in the context of the research branch requiring >1 people is a feature from a reader perspective, not a bug.
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Oh fuck it, one more into the ring. 
It's basicly copy of RRSL except i made some changes to charter, more magic item focused, no natural philosophy, goal to promote jolly cooperation, no priests (i have no faith in them wanting to join (pun fully intended)).
[X] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research (Multi wind studies (including waystones), enchanting and magical artifice, with a goal to promote intercollegiate studies and collaborating with Karaz Ankor for the betterment of all)
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
And approvals:
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Library
[X] Plan: Plan Simple Research
It's basicly copy of RRSL except i made some changes to charter, more magic item focused, no natural philosophy, goal to promote jolly cooperation, no priests (i have no faith in them wanting to join (pun fully intended)).
[X] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
-[X] Branch College
--[X] Headquarters: Karag Nar
--[X] Charter: Research (Multi wind studies (including waystones), enchanting and magical artifice, with a goal to promote intercollegiate studies and collaborating with Karaz Ankor for the betterment of all)
--[X] Colleges (all)
-[X] Karak Eight Peaks: To the degree it safely and sustainably can, let K8P gather, preserve, and disseminate knowledge to all goodly folk. Let the tool of this boon be a library and all the books that might be gathered to it, watched over by those of any race who would swear and be accepted as librarians.
-[X] Karak Kadrin Engineers Guild: A gyrocarriage
And approvals:
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Library
[X] Plan: Plan Simple Research
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Sure: single-wind spell interactions with runes.
Or more fuzzily, working with Damsels on the black orc issue they've got, looking into Araybian apparition binding, examining the lunar shrine we've got, stuff like that.
Oh! or supporting any expeditionary stuff.
Please don't put words into his mouth when he literally just asked you not to. He didn't say "there will be no AP lock or restriction", he asked you to engage with the choice setting aside those concerns, the same way the rest of us are doing.
Edit: added the below as an approval vote to my actual vote post.
[ ] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
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I largely see that in the same way as how during the job vote people kept on going about 'but the paperwork!' for some of the options, as if any GM would role-play a demented game of 'papers please'.
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I have no problem Mathilde doing constant group projects, i'm more thinking about the long term viablity of the branch, and the requirement for a second wizard no matter the project feels silly.
Reminder to the thread in general that the given danger zone for charter broadness was "Research (All), Education (All), Library (All), Outpost (All)". More specific is more good but if you're hashing out a subset of one of the four possibilities then you're not going to be the next Hochland College of Sorcery.
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[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
[X] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
[X] Plan: Research into jolly cooperation, and a library.
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I'm kinda curious now on how it would work.
From what I've been seeing, part of the point of making it a collaboration-based college is to encourage people working together, rather than solo wizards doing research and keeping it secret. Because building networks and cooperation is... actually very much in the Grey College's diplomacy focus/objective.