We know how different winds interact in the context of being borne by a person, but not a tank. As far as we know no one has ever done magic on a tank and the issue of finding out is complicated by someone being willing to hand us a tank which I do not see as guaranteed by any means.
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We know how different winds interact in the context of being borne by a person, but not a tank. As far as we know no one has ever done magic on a tank and the issue of finding out is complicated by someone being willing to hand us a tank which I do not see as guaranteed by any means.
SuperSonicSound
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A theme of Collaboration is no research theme at all though? It's.. hmm the best I can put it would be this, if I were a researcher reading the charter for this proposed college I'd be expecting to work directly with a priest on either enchanting items together and seeing how magic and the divine work together or with a runesmith to again make magical items that use both windmagic and runic magic. It's working on understanding how those fields can complement each other rather than researching other things together, important but a very different concept to what is being envisaged previously.
Where as the other college charter has a fairly open remit which BoneyM is interpreting as natural philosophy and artifice which is only two focuses, not the six being touted.
That's not multi-wind enchantments though and it's also not really a collaborative project except in the loosest sense? Multi-wind is about being on the same item it's an armour with both winds, the proximity of the winds involved isn't supposed to be a tower over.
That's not very helpful given not everyone has time to read every single post.
Regardless I've read the subsequent messages from people quoting me and I've realized I really like the Library aspect of CUCC but I also like the College aspect of RRSR. If there was a plan that put them together it'd be perfect honestly.
Yeah okay this changes things for me. If this interpretation is correct I'm going to have to support RRSR too, not just CUCC.So unless someone comes up with a plan that puts RRSR's College wording with CUCC's Library wording, or unless someone points out why this interpretation is wrong, I'm just going to vote for RRSR and approval vote CUCC.
Edit: Noticed someone did come up with a plan that puts them together and I'm voting for that instead of CUCC and approval voting RRSR since I care more about the College and can tolerate a slightly more subpar Library (especially given Belegar is still probably going to go ham on it).
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
[X] Plan: Cleaned Up College of Collaboration
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Library
[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Ride
You have to delete the voted line not just strike through it. The vote tally will still read your CUCC line as a vote.
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If you are not aware what differences exist, ask, claiming there are none is unhelpfull.That's not very helpful given not everyone has time to read every single post.
Darth.
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Based on my experiences with the Markgraf/Waystone vote, no.
I think I worded my message in a way that invited someone to correct me. And they did. And I changed my votes appropriately. So I don't think your message applies here.
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Fine - collaboration on the accoutrements of a horse. Or on a building. Or on a road. Or on a farm.
The tank was simply one possible example out of a myriad of possibilities - don't fixate on it too much.
Sure then that would be a legitimate field of study.
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So you wouldn't see the "work with mages of other winds" aspect of the phrasing? Only the bit about also working with the divine?
Feels like your hypothetical researcher would look at the charter:
"Research (multi-wind studies (including waystones), geological, metallurgical, and ecological studies, enchanting and artifice)"
and believe it only applied to multi-wind studies that involved metallurgy and enchanting, meaning it'd be insanely narrow.
If multiple people are working together to achieve a goal it's a collaboration. They don't have to literally be touching each other the whole time. By your standards Mathilde has never collaborated with anyone on anything...
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Well my first thought was to wonder if you were intentionally trying to troll people, because someone coming in and just saying that everyone debating for the last couple pages are obviously wrong does not sound like a good faith argument.
My first response was, not as polite as the one i posted, because of that, so i do think my message applies here.
Ericwinter
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[X] Plan: Research, References, and A Sweet Library
I rather think the panic that a collaborative college will suddenly be incapable of doing literally any other research... not necessarily unfounded, but perhaps a bit overblown. On the other hand, I also don't really have a horse in that race anyways as long as the split focus for a library doesn't win and the big library is inclusive, so...
I rather think the panic that a collaborative college will suddenly be incapable of doing literally any other research... not necessarily unfounded, but perhaps a bit overblown. On the other hand, I also don't really have a horse in that race anyways as long as the split focus for a library doesn't win and the big library is inclusive, so...
SuperSonicSound
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I mean are we still talking about wind herding? It kind of requires that the winds be interfacing in a magical item? It's like yes on the wider sense they're collaborating but not magically? It's like if two engineers work very different parts of a car, you're right they're collaborating but they're definitely not working together on the individual parts. Wind herding seems to be about working together on the individual parts, likewise as a research project I'd be expecting the researchers to be working on the individual parts together in this college, not just broadly on the same project as like part of a production line.
Things that don't interact directly don't require any research because they aren't interacting? Using a fire enchanted sword and a gold enchanted armour doesn't carry any risk as I understand it so it wouldn't be a valid field of research for multi-wind enchanting. Where as fire and gold in armour would be.
Maybe I'm not following this conversation properly?
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Take another look at the charter, it makes zero mentions of windherding.
Windherding is a true masterpiece of collaboration, but putting it in the charter as the thing we expect all mages to do would be very much over-eager. Less intensive collaborations have a hell of a lot of value, and they let people learn the skills that eventually lead to windherding.
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Studies involving collaboration between the Colleges of Magic, and between the Colleges and divine miracle-workers, with a particular focus on working with Runesmiths.
Yes, this charter does not mention windherding.
In fact, it is so vague that it is very hard to say what it even means, other than "jolly cooperation", hopefully with runesmiths (whose opinion on this has not been asked before hand).
Yes, this charter does not mention windherding.
In fact, it is so vague that it is very hard to say what it even means, other than "jolly cooperation", hopefully with runesmiths (whose opinion on this has not been asked before hand).
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Mathilde can 100% arrange Runesmiths even if, for some reason, all the ones she's already met have suddenly decided they don't like working with mages anymore.
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So I'm currently part of a project that is a collab between a few universities, and my arguably anecdotal experience so far is that it tends to be fairly chaotic and lacking in subject depth. Don't get me wrong, its been a ton of fun and a great opportunity to meet new people! But I still feel like clear and seperated fields of research will allow for a lot more subject depth and a greater group of interested people to recruit.
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How many people are you picturing being involved in this branch college?
Because I highly doubt we're going to get the 30+ people we'd need to have six clear and separate fields of research.
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I wake up and find my current favorite plans losing basically because of overblown claims about what it won't do. Annoying.
Yes. That is the point you are missing. It is *flexible*. It is designed to cover research, and spell design, and the creation of artifacts, and everything we want to do. You are somehow reading that flexibility, that intended openness, as excluding everything.
It doesn't.
It is the most famous thing in the Karak and it is a prime example of collaboration. Doing things like it is the whole point of a college of collaboration.
No.
You keep reading this, thinking "oh, collaboration isn't a thing, it's a process" and then deciding that because it is a process every actual *thing* is excluded.
Any research that involves a wizard from more than one college is included.
And given there are *already* places that are built to do all the "natural sciences and artifacts" research stuff, in Altdorf, the actual reason to come to K8P is the dwarves and the cross-college colab. This just formalizes that.
Yes. That is the point you are missing. It is *flexible*. It is designed to cover research, and spell design, and the creation of artifacts, and everything we want to do. You are somehow reading that flexibility, that intended openness, as excluding everything.
It doesn't.
It is the most famous thing in the Karak and it is a prime example of collaboration. Doing things like it is the whole point of a college of collaboration.
No.
You keep reading this, thinking "oh, collaboration isn't a thing, it's a process" and then deciding that because it is a process every actual *thing* is excluded.
Any research that involves a wizard from more than one college is included.
And given there are *already* places that are built to do all the "natural sciences and artifacts" research stuff, in Altdorf, the actual reason to come to K8P is the dwarves and the cross-college colab. This just formalizes that.
This may not be definitive, but Windherder is on the character sheet as a skill, not a trait.
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Yes, Mathilde can.
Though i would not go so far as 100%, 75% maybe, 50% at surely, assuming we can come up with a project they are interested in and can do without giving up any runic secrets.
So once Mathilde stops being active participant the whole thing starts to come down.
And working with mages is different from working with Mathilde, or doing anykind of indepth research.
To have six clear and separate fields of research, we need 6 people interested in those separate fields.
I'm kinda hoping to get 10+ wizards, maybe 16 if lucky.
Atleast one per college would be nice for the duration of the waystone project, thought jades and golds might be more interested if we go for the natural philosophy and artefact charter.
Hmmm, that's odd.
Could we train mountain mystic as a skill?
Ok, the odds of being able to train windherder goes up a bit then i guess.
I mean it kind of is, with charity or without.
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It can be assumed they will be collaborating simply by being involved, otherwise we would not have an option of having more than one College