There's also the level of "You don't even know you know until you need to know". Though I suspect that works less well on seasoned magister (nevermind Lord Magister) than on fresh-faced apprentices.
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Varies based on the magister, I think. Mathilde's never tried to dig out and look at the other packets we know are in her head, nevermind checking for ones we don't know about.
(We've occasionally gone "let's collect them all" in the sense of traveling to every location that could make one trigger, but that's not quite the same thing.)
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
I mean, one of the Magisters working on the doom tower way back when didn't know skaven existed until they got briefed. So it still works even on Magisters. LMs... yeah, they probably know about what's in there, and in fact may they may even be responsible for suggesting new info to add.
A Timely Warning
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- Aotearoa
Cecile tried to hurry back to her room, without looking like she was hurrying. As a Senior Apprentice she had a little more privacy than the communal living for Juniors, and was looking forward to using that newly earned privilege to dive into the fresh copy of The Würst Witch she'd acquired. It was the second installment, but you made do with what you could get.
To her delight, the book had been easier to bargain for than she'd imagined, and Cecile congratulated herself on getting the better of the deal this time. Perhaps those dull lessons in misdirecting attention from your genuine objectives and concealing your level of interest in an exchange were paying off! Now if she could just get away with skipping Basic Enchantment for an hour of quiet reading, the day would be perfect...
Taking a last surreptitious look up and down the corridor, Cecile slipped into her room and wedged the door closed. Flopping down onto the cot, she cracked open her new book with relish. At last!
As Cecile eagerly began the opening paragraph, her vision swam and an earnest voice echoed around her head. A thought unpacked in her mind, and Cecile could recall as if through parting fog a lecture being given by a short figure in a tall leather hat.
"Number Two Hundred and Seventy Three. The Würst Witch series. If you believe you are accessing this memory in error, please contact the Grey College at your earliest convenience.
In addition to the many factual errors and misrepresentations concerning upstanding College Wizards, I find the characterisations within this evidentially hastily-written knockoff series banal, the attempts at humor pedestrian and the romance lacking in realistic motivation. Equally damning, the heavy-handed allusions to the most obvious titular references lack the characteristic frisson of more sophisticated works. The protagonist, while superficially sympathetic, on closer examination is unreliable, hasty and reveals few admirable qualities. My strong recommendation is to instead seek out more meritorious works, such as the oeuvre of esteemed author Stabreim Knockenbeinern and the many exciting romantic adventure stories they have written.
Today we will compare and discuss one of my personal favourites, ..."
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Algard: 🤨
Panoramia: 😒
Wolf: 🐺
Mathilde: "Why are you all looking at me like that? This is a perfectly valid use of the ritual!"
Panoramia: 😒
Wolf: 🐺
Mathilde: "Why are you all looking at me like that? This is a perfectly valid use of the ritual!"
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- Aotearoa
"The ritual is meant to warn the unsuspecting away from great danger to soul and sanity, or to avoid making serious mistakes if they inadvertently stumble across the wrong thing at an impressionable stage."
"Exactly! Didn't you read my review?"
"Exactly! Didn't you read my review?"
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MiracleGrow
Miracles for only $19.99 [They/Them]
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Commission of Panoramia, same as the last artist who did Mathilde. Using the same design as the one stuffman made.
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Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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- United States
She's wonderful.
In fact, that could easily be a game some of them play.
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- Australia
I really like the lighting. It feels like a warm evening.Commission of Panoramia, same as the last artist who did Mathilde. Using the same design as the one stuffman made.
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- Greece
If LMs knew, we'd know.
The fact that we do not know means compertalization is affecting even LMs.
Unless we are intentionally being left out of the loop for some reason... or if things happened too fast for us to be briefed in everything LMs are suppossed to know (we had to go away on a suicide mission right after getting the rank, and we haven't visited the college after we returned)
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- Aotearoa
This strikes me as distinctly possible, especially when combined with the slightly-before-they-were-going-to timing of our promotion due to that same expedition.
Can always reveal a few of the more secret secrets later on, generally harder to do the reverse.
We went back after to check our lock-box. Considering we did not know about the lock box, orientation was very bad.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
- Location
- the Philippines
There's also the fact that the expedition was headed to the Chaos Wastes. Probably best to reveal any deep secrets after Mathilde comes back and is found to be clean, just in case.
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- Aotearoa
I wonder when our
deathofrats0808
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- Earth
Off-screen would be my guess.
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- Poland
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- He/Him
If this picture came before the shipping vote to end all shipping votes, there wouldn't be nearly the amount of salt, since Panoramia would win handily.Commission of Panoramia, same as the last artist who did Mathilde. Using the same design as the one stuffman made.
For some reason, I always headcannoned her as somewhat... ugly? My only mental representation of her was some sort of female Bilbo Baggins, with kelp-like hair. Yeah.
It's a nice feeling, replacing that old thought with this.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
But have you considered that Mathilde definitely needs to know all this stuff to settle down the gremlins living in her brain?
Nah, I meant that adding new secrets doesn't work for magister/LMs, because they have the skills to detect it and fight back, and the paranoia that it would be very hard to suppress any defensive action. Though I don't think anyone will add dhar insights to apprentices either.
I doubt pretty much anyone tries to forcibly activate them, because applying magic to your brain without a very clear idea of how ends... well your life or sanity, but almost always badly. Revealing hidden memories seems more like a Hysh thing anyway.
NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
Ah, so that's what you meant. My thought was adding secrets going forward, so new apprentices get more stuff in their head than old ones. I agree that it probably won't be done on magisters and LMs, but that's because they can just find out through the usual channels like papers and stuff. And while dhar insights definitely shouldn't be given to apprentices, I wager that, depending on how the project goes, the section on waystones might get an update or two.
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No no no. The gremlins in her brain are what gives her power. She's Ulgu, not Hysh. She needs to need to know.But have you considered that Mathilde definitely needs to know all this stuff to settle down the gremlins living in her brain?
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Nah, curiosity is Hysh. Being confused is Ulgu. So it would only give her power if it poses more questions than it answers.
But I wouldn't worry. The gremlins in her head are very good at getting confused.