Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
I literally did not. I made a vague observation. If you like I could have used the word disappointed instead.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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The part where she spent years pretending to be a Lahmian. Even if she was roleplaying the nicest Lahmian in existence some people had to die to sell the lie and not all of them guilty.
Why would a province burn for it because that would just remove the current emperor. People would need to think about this less about Heidi wanting people to suffer and more in how being heroic would help with Mandred's election chances because they all know how much patriotic Mathilde is for the Empire and it would dangerous for her to not be there. Besides Ranald may get mad at Heidi for causing that much suffering when she has the ability to protect them.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
Isn´t our Tower in K8P much better suited to that kind of research? The academies can be inquired via short visits well enough, but good luck getting anything in the way off help without actively waiting for the ribght moment.
They are. And they are explaining why.
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- Actually pretty lost
Because the thread is going to vote "Belegar" and we'll be stuck with the dwarves again.
It is a consistent trend in quests that players favour characters they've interacted with over those they haven't, at their own expense. It doesn't matter that every time they're forced to interact with new people they end up forming similar bonds, they'll always stick with who they know if given the choice.
Which is a pretty human thing to do, I suppose, but in cases like this it means that rather than going out and broadening Mathilde's horizons, she's going to calcify into her place at Karak Eight Peaks, retreading old ground instead of seeing something new. Oh, sure, we'll do new things here and there - research projects, the specific jobs we're doing (like these Waystones). But we'll do it here in nice, cozy, safe Karak Eight Peaks, rather than venturing out and going somewhere new.
And going somewhere new is how we ended up with the dwarves! We voted to stay in Stirland - the entire Karak Eight Peaks adventure only happened because Roswita literally kicked us out!
I'm voting for what I want most right now, but I'll end up tactically voting against anything except options that'll end up sticking with the dwarves, and I'm worried that the Waystones Project is going to do exactly that.
(This wasn't a diatribe aimed at you specifically, but at this vote in general.)
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- Czech Republic
It would be less wrangling researchers and more traveling around the Old world and trying to convince different groups of magic users and cults to help with the project.
And given how Mathilde works as diplomat it would involve lot of killing of mutual enemies and adventures.
Smooth succession is very important, I agree. What I'm not sure about is if helping to elect young Mandred would be better than doing nothing. Other imperial candidates seem fine as far as I know.
I see two reasons to help Heldi: we liking her and we liking Ranald. And I think we like Ranald way more then we like Heldi. We should ask Ranald how much he needs Mandred as the new Emperor. If he does, then, oh well, we should really work on that, I guess. If he doesn't, I don't know.
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
People are allowed to dislike options and express that dislike. It's not inherently toxic! If people are being toxic about it, then ask them to stop, or report them, but "I have a different opinion about this than you" isn't salt, it's an expected part of the process. I have made no bones about the fact that I love dwarves, I love Belegar, and I'd be very disappointed to leave them behind, but other people have expressed their boredom or disdain for those same things I love and that is totally fine.
That makes sense and is totally valid.
Yeah. I don't think she'd burn a province or anything. My concern about her motivations is much more "she expressly wants Mandred to take the throne even if he isn't the best candidate," which is standard titledrop stuff.
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Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
Except their supposed reason is a one-dimensional caricature of Heidi like she's some stereotypical Bond villain lol.
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- Omniverse #1345
I have, and I don't trust the emperor either. Not once he really gets a taste for what having a grey LM on side can do. Even mostly benevolent there are far too many ways that can be abused to trust anyone with it, and I'm not comfortable giving them a demostration of it.
I wasn't intending to put everyone on Heidi anyway. The point was it's a political position that amounts to "ensure Mandred gets elected". Not the "imperial troubleshooter" some are thinking of it as. Yes that will be a good part of the job. But not all of it. And I really don't want the rest.
There is a third reason, us wanting to get paid by Ranald in divine shinnies.
Going by the update it seems Ranald wants Mandred in the throne enough to get in our debt.
Darth.
Definitely a heretic
- Location
- The Restaurant at the End of the Universe
But...the man has Dragomas and the Imperial Army and Melkoth and Algard and the Colleges on his side already. It is the height of hubris to think Mathilde for all her skills is the one great thing that tips the scales in that regard where he now suddenly has "too much power" available to him.
[X] Bodyguard and Tutor to Prince Mandred
The thing that so many people who are against Heidi don't seem to get is that her goal is also good for the empire. Having a confused succession is always a bad thing, and having the Elector Counts acknowledge Mandred as heir-apparent will do a great deal for stability, both in the event that Luitpold dies or if he lives. Loyalty to the dynasty is also loyalty to him, after all.
Not only is this baseless fearmongering, but it ALSO would put Heidi in direct conflict with Article 1. At that Luitpold starts looking for his third wife.
The thing that so many people who are against Heidi don't seem to get is that her goal is also good for the empire. Having a confused succession is always a bad thing, and having the Elector Counts acknowledge Mandred as heir-apparent will do a great deal for stability, both in the event that Luitpold dies or if he lives. Loyalty to the dynasty is also loyalty to him, after all.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
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- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
That´s... what friendship is? What, do you abandon all of your friends periodically to go off and find new ones? I get what you are trying to say, and your prediction is almost certainly accurate (even if I want to stay with Belegar and therefore do not care), but the way you phrase it you almost make stiking with the people you like sound like a bad thing.
There's dislike and there's trying to damage a person's reputation because of the interactions we made that don't seem too bad. While it would be sad to let Belegar go growing to move beyond just comfortable and go to new horizons because it would be better for Mathilde's growth and she's still young for a wizard it would be horrible for us to just let her stagnate.
Burned_Cookie
Very tired girl.
- Location
- Plato´s cave.
- Pronouns
- She/Her/It/Its
I personally put great trust in Luipolds and Heidis ability to push a clean, sane succession. Such great trust that I see no need to interveene. Those damned rats on the other hand...
Article 1 is the vaguest out there. What is a value and how do you quantify it physically? There are not just grey areas in article one, you could lose the twilight zone in there.
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- Actually pretty lost
I was trying to be broader than just "being friends with people", though it certainly encompasses that too.
Fayhem
Definitely not an escaped SCP
- Location
- At large
- Pronouns
- He/Him
He's betting everything from the Mork Heist that he didn't give to us on it. I think we can already arrive at the conclusion that the answer is "a lot."
This is the class of problems that does not exist. Any problem that is big enough to need the attention of a Lady Magister will be much more beneficial to solve than to leave be for the election. In fact, solving the problems of any potential competitors is a good way to make them not be competitors.
- Location
- Omniverse #1345
Yes, he does. And that is orecisely why I don't want to go making it obvious all the less than kosher things he could do with them if he was so inclinded. Someone theoretically being able to do something is quite different from them seeing demostrations of it happening.
[X] The Waystone Project
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
[X] Loremaster-at-Large of Karak Eight Peaks
[X] Markgraf of Eastern Stirland
[X] Spymaster of Wissenland
[X] Border Princess of the Howling River
