Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Alratan · Jan 13, 2021

Abhorsen said:
What I'd like to do when we get back is work on formalizing RoW so that it can be used by others, and hopefully have the celestials adapt it.

We might want to try upgrading it further based on our experiences in the field before we compile it into a shareable spell.

Shard said:
I would really like us try to craft a multiwind item with any of Panaromia/Max/Johann, both because of the bonding experience and mostly because it would be a cool suplex over other enchanters.

We probably need to do it with Max or Johann (probably Johann), and send him back to take College classes for a couple of years first.

Rafin · Jan 13, 2021

If we are going for an Azyr stationary bridge of limited size then a Mass Skywalk would do just as well. That on the other hand is such an obvious idea that there's probably a reason for why they don't already have it.

SuperSonicSound · Jan 13, 2021

Rafin said:
If we are going for an Azyr stationary bridge of limited size then a Mass Skywalk would do just as well. That on the other hand is such an obvious idea that there's probably a reason for why they don't already have it.

I mean there's always the possibility that no one has had the inspiration of trying to use a Wind to essentially tongs its self into casting another spell. One of the reasons reading the Liber Mortis is so useful is that it broadens the characters perspective on what can be done even just in terms of mono wind magic. I don't think Rite of way would have been fully possible with out reading the liber Mortis.

@BoneyM

Is that a fair assesment that the Liber mortis helped to make Rite of Way possible or is that just my mind pattern matching incorrectly?

GrimTheMad · Jan 13, 2021

SuperSonicSound said:
I mean there's always the possibility that no one has had the inspiration of trying to use a Wind to essentially tongs its self into casting another spell. One of the reasons reading the Liber Mortis is so useful is that it broadens the characters perspective on what can be done even just in terms of mono wind magic. I don't think Rite of way would have been fully possible with out reading the liber Mortis.

Is that a fair assesment that the Liber mortis helped to make Rite of Way possible or is that just my mind pattern matching incorrectly?

Boney has requested we hold back with questions/pinging for the next few weeks. This question isn't really essential to anything right now, so should probably avoid pinging them with it and just work it out/search out a previous answer ourselves.

BoneyM said:
I won't be in the thread as frequently as usual over the next two or three weeks, so if you have a question, ask the rest of the thread first. A lot of things have already been answered and there's usually somebody who can dig it up.

Shard · Jan 13, 2021

Alratan said:
We probably need to do it with Max or Johann (probably Johann), and send him back to take College classes for a couple of years first.

The current ideas I have are:

Jade -
Take No Heed/Shroud of Invisibility/Shadowcloak + The Wilds Undisturbed = Super Sneak through forests
Shadowsteed + Tree-Dweller's Step = Shadowsteed that can climb?

Gold -
Guard of Steel + Bewilder = Bronze Orbs that in addition to protecting you, also seriously disorient anyone hostile to you. Constantly. Maybe combine with Mindhole so they keep forgetting who you are even as you stab them.
Eye of the Beholder + Fool's Gold = Target object is actually irresistibly valuable now.
Stoke the Forge + Burning Shadows = Target Fires burns hotly with a Burning Shadows effect. Very lethal.

(These are really all excuses to try and make a joint magic item though.)

BeepSmile · Jan 13, 2021

GrimTheMad said:
And that'd be about as close as you could get, I think. None of the other winds seem terribly suited for this sort of thing. Which is probably common at the Battle Magic level, where you're so steeped in the particularities of your wind that adaptation to another is near impossible.

Mass endurance boosts and surefootedness from Ghur for horses and maybe people marching springs to mind. Totally different visually, but similar function.

A reduction in the amount of food that needs to be consumed by 20-40% or something for a day or two, based on Jade's: " Fat of the Land: Touched creature does not need to eat for one week. Long casting time "

Gold could have a very weak but aoe version of their "make things better at doing the thing they are for" for vehicles... if vehicles were a thing that are common

Angelform · Jan 13, 2021

zup said:
Did we not hammer the 'social Belegar' button so much the QM disabled it? Perhaps that is why he trusts us enough to confide things like 'I believe the slayer cult is a waste' in us.

During the standard turns after we got the Loremaster job we hammered both Belegar and Kragg.
During the campaign we spread our attention much more widely. And Kragg refused to even speak to us.

Briefvoice said:
So we made a deal to keep High Pass clear of snow, and now we're coming back through Black Blood Pass... which will not be clear of snow. Can the steam wagons make it through?

Matter of timing. We started in spring and will be coming back in summer. BBP will be clear of snow for entirely mundane reasons.

GrimTheMad · Jan 13, 2021

Shard said:
Eye of the Beholder + Fool's Gold = Target object is actually irresistibly valuable now.

Fuck, that sounds like something we'd regret making later.

Its the One Ring but with no actual power.

Rafin · Jan 13, 2021

SuperSonicSound said:
I mean there's always the possibility that no one has had the inspiration of trying to use a Wind to essentially tongs its self into casting another spell. One of the reasons reading the Liber Mortis is so useful is that it broadens the characters perspective on what can be done even just in terms of mono wind magic. I don't think Rite of way would have been fully possible with out reading the liber Mortis.

@BoneyM

Is that a fair assesment that the Liber mortis helped to make Rite of Way possible or is that just my mind pattern matching incorrectly?

Not only are there already other mass target versions of single target spells, which is evidence that Mathilde's method was just the one that fit her paradigm, the technique of doing a Wind-fitting effect at a distance by using the Wind's elemental manifestation as a medium is also already a part of many spells, especially when it comes to Ulgu. It is for instance how Burning Shadows works. It uses the caster's judgement as a targeting mechanism (much more flexible than the detecting boundaries limitation of RoW) to do an edge blurring between the target bodies and the air at a distance by using shadow as an Ulgu-appropriate medium.

Valmond · Jan 13, 2021

Briefvoice said:
So we made a deal to keep High Pass clear of snow, and now we're coming back through Black Blood Pass... which will not be clear of snow. Can the steam wagons make it through?

The original plan was to go through Black Blood Pass, so probably yes, the main reason not to was the rough (lack of) road conditions, which RoW is going to do lot to help with.

[X] Frozen Sea

GrimTheMad · Jan 13, 2021

Valmond said:
The original plan was to go through Black Blood Pass, so probably yes, the main reason not to was the rough (lack of) road conditions, which RoW is going to do lot to help with.

[X] Frozen Sea

Also we'll be passing through in the middle of summer rather than the beginning of spring, which should help to an extent.

SuperSonicSound · Jan 13, 2021

GrimTheMad said:
Boney has requested we hold back with questions/pinging for the next few weeks. This question isn't really essential to anything right now, so should probably avoid pinging them with it and just work it out/search out a previous answer ourselves.

I can read, this isn't a question the rest of the thread can answer any better than I can myself given it's purely speculative in terms of what allowed and gave rise to the ability to make that spell and whilst it's not immediately important it does actually matter as it informs about the limitations/routes that Mathildes magic takes.

The current vote is utterly uncontested and is unlikely to have any swing so discussion should probably move on to other issues, next turn is the only thing we can really plan for right now as we have no information regarding the chaos chalice which will almost certainly be our next update choice.

EternityWarrior · Jan 13, 2021

Hey guys, where exactly did it say that Mathilde was considered a dwarf after saving Karak Vlag? I can't seem to find it.

Rafin · Jan 13, 2021

Valmond said:
The original plan was to go through Black Blood Pass, so probably yes, the main reason not to was the rough (lack of) road conditions, which RoW is going to do lot to help with.

[X] Frozen Sea

Rite of Way can't really prevent these vehicles from getting stuck in nice and uniform snow. Which when one compares the size of the vehicle to the size of its weels (wheels not tank threads) they can very easily do.

SuperSonicSound · Jan 13, 2021

Rafin said:
Not only are there already other mass target versions of single target spells, which is evidence that Mathilde's method was just the one that fit her paradigm, the technique of doing a Wind-fitting effect at a distance by using the Wind's elemental manifestation as a medium is also already a part of many spells, especially when it comes to Ulgu. It is for instance how Burning Shadows works. It uses the caster's judgement as a targeting mechanism (much more flexible than the detecting boundaries limitation of RoW) to do an edge blurring between the target bodies and the air at a distance by using shadow as an Ulgu-appropriate medium.

There's a difference between hitting a mass of targets with a single spell and essentially having a spell that its self casts another spell a load of times. From the first update where Mathilde works on Rite of Way it's very clear she's actually building a modular frame work on top of sky walk to mass cast it. I don't think other spells that effect multiple targets work in that way, they aren't one spell cast a bunch of times in the way Rite of way works. That's my impression any way.

EternityWarrior said:
Hey guys, where exactly did it say that Mathilde was considered a dwarf after saving Karak Vlag? I can't seem to find it.

it's not a thread marked post.

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GrimTheMad · Jan 13, 2021

EternityWarrior said:
Hey guys, where exactly did it say that Mathilde was considered a dwarf after saving Karak Vlag? I can't seem to find it.

Here:

BoneyM said:
An announcement from the Emergency Meeting of the Ancestor Cult Conclave of the Karaz Ankor, hosted in Karaz-a-Karak.

After certain confidential information was vouchsafed to this body by a source of undoubtable repute, a Grudge is hereby leveled against the being, spirit, force, ancestor, demiurge, and/or anthropomorphic personification commonly known as Ranald, believed to originate somewhere in our about the continent called The Old World, for the crime of theft of a disembodied Dwarven soul, which has subsequently been incarnated in the form of an Umgi.

Reparation or vengeance for said Grudge is to be postponed pending the full and proper evaluation of the consequences of those actions, which may be considered to mitigate, in whole or in part, those actions.

Witnessed and entered into the Book of Grudges by the High King.

Its not actually shown up in an update yet cause we've been pretty isolated in literal hell, which is why you can't find it.

Abhorsen · Jan 13, 2021

So crazy idea for the stealing the cup thing: Using doppleganger, pretend to be a beastman, steal the cup and run towards Karag Dum, before losing pursuit, then instead go back to the dwarf steam tanks.

Raikazin · Jan 13, 2021

GrimTheMad said:
Fuck, that sounds like something we'd regret making later.

Its the One Ring but with no actual power.

This is just the don't touch my garbage meme on steroids.

GrimTheMad · Jan 13, 2021

Abhorsen said:
So crazy idea for the stealing the cup thing: Using doppleganger, pretend to be a beastman, steal the cup and run towards Karag Dum, before losing pursuit, then instead go back to the dwarf steam tanks.

Higher reward, but also higher risk than 'just' taking it unnoticed.

Remember that they have magic users as well, including Azyr.

And that they can totally just ask Tzeentch. He might even answer without giving them a bellybutton eye.

kingreaper · Jan 13, 2021

Abhorsen said:
So crazy idea for the stealing the cup thing: Using doppleganger, pretend to be a beastman, steal the cup and run towards Karag Dum, before losing pursuit, then instead go back to the dwarf steam tanks.

Liljana can sense the cups location from a distance. Seems likely that some of the Kurgan shaman will be able to do the same.

Although I suppose even a temporary distraction could still have value.

picklepikkl · Jan 13, 2021

Shard said:
I would really like us try to craft a multiwind item with any of Panaromia/Max/Johann, both because of the bonding experience and mostly because it would be a cool suplex over other enchanters.

The issue is that our collaborator on an enchanted item needs to be an enchanter by Word of QM, and none of those people can do enchantment. We would need to send Max or Johann to enchanting classes using their work actions, and there are just so many other demands on their time.

SuperSonicSound · Jan 13, 2021

picklepikkl said:
The issue is that our collaborator on an enchanted item needs to be an enchanter by Word of QM, and none of those people can do enchantment. We would need to send Max or Johann to enchanting classes using their work actions, and there are just so many other demands on their time.

Tbh it might still be a sensible idea to do so. Actually do we know how Maxs mage sight expresses its self?

Raikazin · Jan 13, 2021

When we get back to our library I think we should spend some effort to see if there is any scholarship on multi wind enchanting in the college. Maybe what we can do isn't completely revolutionary so much as just rare. That would be a nice change of pace.

picklepikkl · Jan 13, 2021

SuperSonicSound said:
Tbh it might still be a sensible idea to do so. Actually do we know how Maxs mage sight expresses its self?

We do not, alas. I did a search and could not find anything.

Raikazin said:
When we get back to our library I think we should spend some effort to see if there is any scholarship on multi wind enchanting in the college. Maybe what we can do isn't completely revolutionary so much as just rare. That would be a nice change of pace.

Our library contains:

BoneyM said:
Enchantment +5 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial

If "Esoteric Imperial Enchantment" doesn't include anything about multi-wind enchantment, it means that such publications do not exist in the Colleges.

BeepSmile · Jan 13, 2021

While things are quiet:

Does anyone think it would be worthwhile to take Johann along with us for the heist? He can run at least as fast as Ljiljana can ride, I'd expect, and also carry more food than either of them, Ljiljana is unlikely to be particularly skilled at stealth, so we're not going to be loosing anything there, and he's a pretty skilled combatant in case things go bad in a way that running from is unfeasible or sub-optimal.

Also I like scenes with him.

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